User talk:Noldoaran/archive

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[edit] Welcome to Wikipedia

Hello Noldoaran, welcome to Wikipedia. Here are some useful links in case you haven't already found them;

If you have any questions, see the help pages, add a question to the village pump or ask me on my talk page. I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian!

Angela 05:02, Nov 6, 2003 (UTC)

Thanks for your friendly welcome. I had already looked at most of the pages you metioned. Out of curiosity(sp?), how did you hear of me? --Noldoaran 00:15, Nov 16, 2003 (UTC)

I don't think Angela's online at the moment, so I'll take the liberty of responding, in order to give you a prompt answer. At any given moment, there are multiple eyes watching the "Recent changes" listing (it's one of the links on the list to your left, if you're using the standard skin), and new user accounts usually have red links to their "User" and "User talk" pages. Angela probably saw one of your edits on Nov 6 and decided to give you a welcome message. Enjoy Wikipedia! Cheers, Cyan 00:24, 16 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Thanks! That was a very fast responce, Cyan. Everyone is so friendly here, which makes me want to contribute as much as I can. I have a quick question: what should I put in my user page? I always have trouble figuring out what to write about myself.. --Noldoaran 00:49, Nov 16, 2003 (UTC)

Pretty much anything you like as long as it's not offensive! Perhaps a few lines about what you do/ where you're from etc. Some people like to list the articles they've worked on, others have lists of quotes they like. There are no strict rules on it, although obviously Wikipedia is not a home page provider or vehicle for advertising, so as long as not using it only for that purpose you'll be fine. Have a look at some others to get some ideas. I wonder if I'll get this in before Cyan this time? :) Angela 00:56, 16 Nov 2003 (UTC)

How did you put the border around your user page? Noldoaran 01:01, Nov 16, 2003 (UTC)

Click on the edit link and have a look at the html. Here's some of it:

Angela 01:09, 16 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Yep, that's what I was going to say. Have a look at Recent Changes to see for yourself. I saw your name had a red link, which is how I knew you were new and thought I'd come and offer a welcome. By the way, articles that contain only an external link are subject to deletion, so if you're intending on expanding Brigham Young University-Idaho, you might need to recreate it if the link is deleted. It's best to make sure the page has enough content to be at least a stub before you press save. Anyway, keep up the good work! Angela 00:47, 16 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll keep that in mind! --Noldoaran 00:53, Nov 16, 2003 (UTC)

Hello, regarding United Food and Commercial Workers - whether you start in your sandbox or on the real page is up to you. If you do it in a sandbox, it is best to make a brand new sandbox, so have User:Noldoran/United Food and Commercial Workers for example. That way, when it's finished, you can move it to the new title and the page history will be kept. If the article is in very draft form, then starting it off in your user space is a good idea, as things which are really short might get deleted. However, if you'd rather other people started working on it straight away, then go ahead and put it in the main namespace at United Food and Commercial Workers. Either way, good luck with it. Angela 07:44, 19 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Hi, you said "The Vandal link on your user page is dead." - it in't actually dead, it's just that it is a sysop-only link, which is probably a bit out of order really. It links to a deleted page, which only sysops can see. The entire content of the page was "Se also: Frognerparken, the famous park in this district. User:Angela is vandalising the page, so I cannot link myself." I shall try to find a different link; I've been accused of being a vandal more than once! :) Angela 06:43, 20 Nov 2003 (UTC)

It was a misunderstanding between me and Heine. He was trying to change titles to their non-English name, which I reverted according to the Wikipedia:Naming conventions (use English) policy. He saw this as vandalism! I think he later realised this wasn't the case though. Angela 07:22, 20 Nov 2003 (UTC)

You could create it wherever you like and redirect the others, but you might want to read Redirected user pages considered harmful first! I've redirected mine at Meta, but that was because it kept being vandalised and I wasn't at Meta enough to keep an eye on it. A better solution is to just to have a very short user page at the places you don't visit as often and link them to your main user page. For example, mine on the Romanian Wikipedia (ro:Utilizator:Angela) just says "See en:User:Angela", and in other languages, I've put a note saying that I am mostly at the English Wikipedia (such as fr:Utilisateur:Angela). Angela 07:47, 20 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Sounds a good idea. Remember to format it like [[:en:User:Noldoran]] for the link to work across all wikis. Angela

Hi Noldoran, I noticed your question about the tables of contents on Angela's talk page. First, a really good place to post these sorts of questions is on the Village Pump, and you can also check the Wikipedia Help. And to answer your question, the Table of Contents automatically kicks in when you have 4 or more headers "== Header ==" -- try it and see! -- Thanks, BCorr ¤ Брайен 19:43, 20 Nov 2003 (UTC)

I figured that it was created when so many headings(headers) were in the page, but i didn't know what the "magic number" was.

Noldoaran 20:10, Nov 20, 2003 (UTC)

I'm not being fast enough with my question answering today. :) Yep, what Brian says about the TOC is true, though I don't mind at all being asked stuff on my talk page. re: WP:FD - of course! Sign up. You just need to know how to help newcomers and revert vandalism. Thanks for answering Sverdrup's question for me. Angela 19:46, 20 Nov 2003 (UTC)

I don't bite ;-) Thanks so much for your help!

Noldoaran 20:10, Nov 20, 2003 (UTC)

Thanks for the support re Thanksgiving! User:jengod

My message notification is horked, let's see if adding a new message fixes it. Noldoaran 04:32, Nov 21, 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Gardening Club

Hi Noldoaran,

The Gardening Club was 'founded' during a debate about the Militia. The Militia was about housekeeping, fighting the vandals, etc, especially in the case of a news article that might attract large numbers of newbies. The term Militia sounded too militant to some, and so the term gardening was brought up. A gardener is also removing weeds from his garden, but his main target is making his garden thrive and prosper. The Militia has been renamed Volunteer Fire Department, and the Gardening Club was never formally incorporated. -- JeLuF 05:34, 28 Nov 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Typo Team

To join the typo team, just add your name to the member list and fix typos. Happy typo hunting! Alexandros

It is probably better to put the welcome remarks on the talk pages rather than the user pages. --snoyes 20:24, 4 Dec 2003 (UTC)

No problem, I already moved them. --snoyes 20:31, 4 Dec 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Signatures

I asked the same question to User:Dori. It is answered at User_talk:Dori#Signatures. --Jiang (Talk) 23:13, 6 Dec 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Table markup

As we now have the new table markup, eventually all the tables should be converted to that markup. For now, it mieght be best to limit edits to small/simple tables; complex tables (like the elements) might get special CSS classes, which would require some planning. That goes for tables which hold floating images as well. Basically, be bold in updating pages :-) --Magnus Manske 22:05, 7 Dec 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Mediation

Hi, I saw your comment at User talk:Mediator about mediators being anonymous. They are not anonymous. There's a list of them at Wikipedia:Mediation Committee. Much of what is on that user talk page was just 142's views on what mediation ought to involve. You should see Wikipedia:Mediation and Arbitration (proposal) for more current information on the process. Angela . 18:39, 8 Dec 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Re: boilerplate error

In your new user boilerplate text, you have a semicolon(;) where you should have a colon(:). I would fix it but I don't like editing other users' (sub)pages without permission. [User:Noldoaran|Noldoaran]] (Talk) 21:04, Dec 8, 2003 (UTC) Oh, I forgot to mention, I've noticed alot of other users using that text.. [User:Noldoaran|Noldoaran]] (Talk) 21:06, Dec 8, 2003 (UTC)

Thanks for telling me. I've fixed it now. Angela . 21:15, 8 Dec 2003 (UTC)

No problem. [User:Noldoaran|Noldoaran]] (Talk) 21:17, Dec 8, 2003 (UTC)

What do they say: "Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery"? ;-) --snoyes 21:28, 8 Dec 2003 (UTC)

In your new user boilerplate text, you have a semicolon(;) where you should have a colon(:). I would fix it but I don't like editing other users' (sub)pages without permission. You most likely got that boilerplate text from Angela(or vice-versa). She has corrected the problem. Noldoaran (Talk) 21:20, Dec 8, 2003 (UTC)

Yip, thanks for the correction (although I am a fan of the semi-colon the double-colon seems more appropriate here) --snoyes 21:30, 8 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Thanks for telling me. Next time feel free to correct my subpages. If I dont like the edit, ill revert it! best wishes. Alexandros 22:01, 8 Dec 2003 (UTC)

That's what I was going to say! I do it on purpose so I can see who's stealing my messages. ;) (not really) Angela . 21:24, 8 Dec 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Acronym Finder

Hi, I've used Acronym Finder to help build up disambig lists for acronyms, but I don't think we should be linking to it to from our articles; AF is full of errors and bogus expansions. I always have to run each one through Google, and many of them turn out to appear only on - other lists of acronyms. I think eventually WP will be a superior resource for acronyms, just because we do more fact-checking on these kinds of things. Stan 01:12, 9 Dec 2003 (UTC)

I suppose your right. I won't add any more AF links to wikipedia. Noldoaran (Talk) 01:23, Dec 9, 2003 (UTC)

I removed the links that I added. Noldoaran (Talk) 17:01, Dec 9, 2003 (UTC)

[edit] broken IMDb links

Why are you going around adding to articles [[IMDb]] links that don't work? —Paul A 02:12, 9 Dec 2003 (UTC)

The imdb links work fine, see InterWiki Namespaces. I'll Remove them anyway. Noldoaran (Talk) 05:55, Dec 9, 2003 (UTC)

I think you misunderstood what I meant by "don't work". I can see that the namespace translator successfully expands [[IMDB:tt0305357]] into http://us.imdb.com/Title?tt0305357 - but http://us.imdb.com/Title?tt0305357 doesn't work. It is a broken link. If you click on it, you get a Page Not Found error. (Why don't you know this already? Did you not even check the links when you added them?) —Paul A 06:50, 9 Dec 2003 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I thought they all worked. I believe they're all fixed now. I never meant to vandalize wikipedia. Can you forgive me? Noldoaran (Talk) 16:56, Dec 9, 2003 (UTC)

Don't worry about it. It was an understandable mistake, and there's no harm done. I'm sorry I was grouchy about it. —Paul A 01:50, 10 Dec 2003 (UTC)

And why do you remove them when they have been fixed? :)—Eloquence 05:55, Dec 9, 2003 (UTC)

I didn't know that the imdb links were fixed, I'll revert them. I'm sorry. Noldoaran (Talk) 05:58, Dec 9, 2003 (UTC)

It looks like you already reverted Finding Nemo, I reverted The Princess Bride. Again, Sorry. Noldoaran (Talk) 06:01, Dec 9, 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Bio-inspired thanks

Thanks for contributing to Bio-inspired computing! The article is very interesting. Keep up the great work!

If you have any questions, or you would like someone to review an article for you, you can always ask me.

—Noldoaran (Talk) 04:06, Dec 10, 2003 (UTC)

Thanks for your kind words about the bio-inspired computing article. It's a fascinating field, and I aim to add as much as I know to related topics--I'm still learning though, so it may be a slow process! Thanks again, it's nice to know people are reading. --Chopchopwhitey 09:43, 10 Dec 2003 (UTC)

[edit] More bio-inspiration

Hi Noldoaran... I've just done a major rewrite of the Lindenmayer systems page, maybe if you get a chance you could give it a quick look over? I think you'll find it quite interesting, if you haven't already read about them. Thanks! --Chopchopwhitey 10:24, 12 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Sorry for the delayed responce, I've been sick. The article looks very good.

Your revision is much more organized. —Noldoaran (Talk) 03:10, Dec 17, 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Why should all dates be links?

Why do you think that all dates in an article should be links? Other people agree, but I have yet to see any reasoning. See also: Wikipedia talk:Make only links relevant to the context —Noldoaran (Talk) 23:19, Dec 13, 2003 (UTC)

Because it makes the date pages much more useful if you can click "what links here" and see a list of pages containing events for that date. Example. Angela . 23:22, 13 Dec 2003 (UTC)

I never thought about the "what links here" page. That makes sence, thanks. —Noldoaran (Talk) 23:32, Dec 13, 2003 (UTC)

In addition the preferences give the option of showing dates in the international dd/mm/yy or the US mm/dd/yy format. If people express a preference, all linked dates will be shown in their preferred form. For that to work all dates must be linked, and all years are linked as Angela says to allow people to link with a page containing events from that year. So it is crucial for all dates to be linked, preferable if all years are also. FearÉIREANN 23:31, 13 Dec 2003 (UTC)

I prefer the yyyy-mm-dd format because this way dates can be easily sorted, because the least significant part is on the right, like normal numbers. Thanks for your quick responce. —Noldoaran (Talk) 23:38, Dec 13, 2003 (UTC)

One more thing. Should only the first occurance of a date be linked, or every occurence? —Noldoaran (Talk) 23:43, Dec 13, 2003 (UTC)

For years, I'd say only the first occurence, but for dates, there is the advantage that Jtdirl explains above to linking every occurence. Angela . 23:49, 13 Dec 2003 (UTC)

I agree. I only do the first mention of a year but all dates. It avoids, for example, someone who chose the mm/dd/yy format having the first date in an article come up as that, and all others as an unformatted dd/mm/yy or a mix of everything. And it means that if you choose to see everything as yy/mm/dd every date in every article should appear as that, with the same dates appearing to me as my preferred dd/mm/yy, and User:Eloquence seeing dates in his preferred mm/dd/yy form. FearÉIREANN 00:26, 14 Dec 2003 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Programming languages

Would you be willing to join WikiProject Programming languages, we could really use your help. —Noldoaran (Talk) Dec 17, 2003

I could help, though I don't have that much knowledge about it... Evil saltine 08:52, 17 Dec 2003 (UTC)

...I would have knowledge, but I am working in 4 Wikipedias, so my time is really limited... sorry Fantasy 15:07, 17 Dec 2003 (UTC)

I didn't realize you were so busy. Thanks, anyway. —Noldoaran (Talk) 00:27, Dec 18, 2003 (UTC)

Hello, thank for your offer, but these days I'm really busy with the Italian wikipedia (my native language) that was just moved from the old to the new software and needs a lot of work... but I'm known to change interests quickly, so I will surely check from time to time and see if I can help. Alfio 19:49, 17 Dec 2003 (UTC)

I am interested in helping, although I was not detecting any specific problems with the current system, so more information is desired. Brent Gulanowski 21:43, 17 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Just saw your request over on my talk page - must have overlooked it when you first put it up. I'm not really too sure what I can do to contribute to this project; I've got a modest degree in computer science but lots of other folks around Wikipedia go way over my head on this subject. :) I guess once a format has been settled on I can volunteer to help with the brute force part where the existing articles get put in order, at least. I'll watchlist it and see what else I can do. Bryan 10:50, 31 Dec 2003 (UTC)

thanks for the compliment :-) PomPom

[edit] programming languages wikiproject

I haven't got much time for wikipedia these days, but I'll sign onto the programming languages wikiproject just to keep a hand in. Thanks for the heads-up. k.lee 02:27, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Weird Hello world programs 67.123.41.26 03:29, 20 Feb 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Comments on captions project

Hi, Noldoaran, thanks for your welcome some months back - the links have been useful. I thought I might ask you for feedback on Wikipedia:WikiProject Writing Captions before I link to it from the usual places. I'd certainly appreciate your comments, and I'd be honored to have you as a participant if you're willing. Thanks for looking! -- ke4roh 05:26, Jul 18, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Article Licensing

Hi, I've started a drive to get users to multi-license all of their contributions that they've made to either (1) all U.S. state, county, and city articles or (2) all articles, using the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike (CC-by-sa) v1.0 and v2.0 Licenses or into the public domain if they prefer. The CC-by-sa license is a true free documentation license that is similar to Wikipedia's license, the GFDL, but it allows other projects, such as WikiTravel, to use our articles. Since you are among the top 2000 Wikipedians by edits, I was wondering if you would be willing to multi-license all of your contributions or at minimum those on the geographic articles. Over 90% of people asked have agreed. For More Information:

Multi-Licensing FAQ - Lots of questions answered
Multi-Licensing Guide
Free the Rambot Articles Project

To allow us to track those users who muli-license their contributions, many users copy and paste the "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" template into their user page, but there are other options at Template messages/User namespace. The following examples could also copied and pasted into your user page:

Option 1

I agree to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all my contributions, with the exception of my user pages, as described below:

Option 2

I agree to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all my contributions to any [[U.S. state]], county, or city article as described below:

Or if you wanted to place your work into the public domain, you could replace "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" with "{{MultiLicensePD}}". If you only prefer using the GFDL, I would like to know that too. Please let me know what you think at my talk page. It's important to know either way so no one keeps asking. -- Ram-Man (comment| talk)

[edit] Username

Cool username! [Though I think it actually means King of the Ñoldor, compare Finwe's title Ñoldóran. Not that it matters :) ] Cheers, →Iñgōlemo← ^talk 22:23, 2005 Mar 25 (UTC)

[edit] Chicago

Because of your work with the WikiProject Cities I'd like you to take a look at the Chicago article if you have the time & desire. It is currently up for Peer Review (see Chicago Talk) and I would enjoy hearing your feedback to help guide the growth of this article. Jasenlee 01:09, Apr 14, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Wiki Computing Newbie

My primary motivation in joining Wiki (officially) was the general lack of entries on CD formatting. I believe this falls under the Computing Wikiproject. What can I do to help get started on those without stepping on anyone toes? Particularly, being a wiki newbie, I could use the help of a mentor/moderator to make sure that any new entries I may add conform to Wiki standards. Do you have any recommendations on where to begin?

Thanks Kail Ceannai 00:38, 2005 May 5 (UTC)

[edit] Jimbo Wales to Attend San Diego Meetup on October 18 2005

Hello, Jimbo Wales will be in San Diego to attend OOPSLA and has agreed to come by and visit with the San Diego wikipedians. If you are interested, you will find more info on my talk page. Johntex\^talk 00:54, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Ventura County

I noticed that you were also from Ventura county thought I would just say hi whast up hows life? where are you in the county and all that good jazz --Kylehamilton 12:29, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Date links

Since you have taken an interest in links. Please be kind enough to vote for my new bot application to reduce overlinking of dates where they are not part of date preferences. bobblewik 20:29, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

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