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The town and river are named after a small black marsupial found in the region which was nicknamed Nokia.

Is there really a black marsupial in Finland? Could anyone provide any more details about it?

Okay, but it's not a marsupial: The name Nokia is said to derive from the Finnish word, nokinäätä (nokinaata), a marten, an animal that inhabited the banks of Nokianvirta. The old Finnish word nois or nokia meant a black-furred sable. After the sable had become extinct in Finland the word was used to refer to other dark-furred animals such as the pine marten. -- "A town called Nokia", by Kaisa Kuikkaniemi, virtual.finland.fi

Nokia was founded in 1865 as a wood-pulp mill by Fredrik Idestam. The company then expanded into producing rubber products in the Finnish town of Nokia, and began to use Nokia as a brand. After World War II Nokia acquired Finnish Cable Works, a producer of telephone and telegraph cables. In the 1970s Nokia became more involved in the telecommunications industry by developing the Nokia DX 200, a digital switch for telephone exchanges. In the 1980s Nokia got involved in the development of mobile phones for the NMT network, and in the 1990s, the company was streamlined into focusing on mobile phones, mobile phone infrastructure and other telecommunications areas, divesting itself of other items such as televisions and personal computers.

This is more interesting. Why was its history modified to its current version???

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[edit] Pronounciation

There's no way to write the name in English "phonetics".

This sentence is pointless, so I deleted it. IPA is, as the name says, INTERNATIONAL. The fact that english speakers find it difficult to pronounce it correctly is something completely different and has nothing to do with phonetics. --MoLo 22:44, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Can't you see the questions below? "is it knockia or not?" --Vuo 00:59, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Pronounciation doesn't make much sense to me here...Is it prounced Knock-ia or not? --Josquius 15:37, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I hope it's better now... --Vuo 20:20, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)

--- This creates problems to some, especially English speakers, who replace the vowels with schwas, as there are no short [o] or [a] sounds in English. Some English mispronunciations include [nəυ'ki:ə] "noe-KEY-uh" and [nɒkki:ə] "knock-E-uh".

The original version talked only about Americans, as they are the only ones for which I was able to find an example of mispronunciation. BBC newscasters pronounce it correctly. Native speakers, how do you pronounce it? --Vuo 08:37, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Belatedly, it would probably be a good idea to qualify what is meant by "short" in "there are no short...&c" in the article. The terms "short" and "long" don't mean anything outside of the context of a specific language unless you are actually talking about vowel length in linguistic terms (IPA diacritic : -- the amount of actual time used to pronounce the vowel). siafu 02:36, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
Yes, it is about the actual length in linguistic terms: it is contrastive in Finnish. English has only a diphthong [oU] (arguably "hall" [hO:l] has an long 'o') and no [a] sounds at all. (The vowel in "bat" you're thinking of is the Finnish 'ä' [æ].) --Vuo 11:20, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
A long 'o' is found in the English word "bored" for example. Finnish [a] is almost the same as the vowel in "hut" --AMS

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[edit] Culture

I removed the following from the article twice:

The people of Finland are resilient, resourceful, and innovative. Individuals are well respected for their contributions toward advancements in technology. As one would imagine, the government's reform of its educational system close to two decades ago has paid off. The country is also known for having the largest number of computer programmers in the world. Unlike many large corporations, fellow Nokians are encouraged to participate in constructive discussions; presenting ideas and opinions with their peers and managers. English is the official language spoken and written among Nokians regardless of location

If this is to be included (something about the corporate culture should be) it needs to be stripped and rephrased to be more NPOV. Blanket statements about national character, "one"'s expectations, and "being known for" (either it's true, in which case we can cite a reference, or it's not true. "being known for" something doesn't help) are POV and don't belong. siafu 01:12, 13 May 2005 (UTC)


What I have written here which you deleted is true based on my experiences. If you're familiar with the country, you will discover that the Finnish people are very proud of their accomplishments; such as Nokia. I know because some of these Nokians are like family. Ariele 01:21, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
While I appreciate your personal experience, the fact is that wikipedia needs to be written from a neutral point of view. Pride in one's accomplishments is great in life, but does not bring much (aside from a good work ethic) to an encyclopedia. Additionally, this comment that you left on my talk page (bringing it here because I only want to respond in one place) merits special consideration:
The information I provided is not found in any news article or press release. You won't find it there...then on the flip side, it's the same as where's the proof that what I contributed here is false?
That's not how it works. Quoting from our article on Burden of proof (under "other uses): "Outside a legal context, 'burden of proof' means that someone suggesting a new theory or stating a claim must provide evidence to support it: it is not sufficient to say 'you can't disprove this'." Saying that these statements should stand simply because I'm not an expert and can't directly disprove them is fallacious. The burden of proof always falls upon the party making the assertion.
Moreover, I'm not doubting that Nokia culture feels "like family", or that the Finns see themselves as "resilient, resourceful, and innovative". The issue is that making these claims directly is inserting a subjective statement into an objective context and violating the principle of NPOV. siafu 02:33, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
What is the principle of NPOV? By the way, the readers may not be familiar with the abbreviated term NPOV? Upon first seeing it, it sounds Russian but I know it isn't Russian. Does that apply also to the theory of relativity? It is afterall just a theory and has not been proven as law. But you have a valid argument as well. I have considered the idea of contacting some of my Finnish acquaintances for their feedback. Ariele 17:06, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
NPOV stands for Neutral Point Of View. I reccomend you read the official policy at Wikipedia:Neutral point of view. Other than that, I'm afraid your comments don't make any sense to me at all. I'm going to be reverting the article again; please attempt to make your additions conform to a neutral point of view before replacing them. siafu 22:02, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
That won't be necessary. I have the information I needed. Kitos. Ariele 15:39, 19 May 2005 (UTC)

Good god, some people really need to get out a bit more. Aside from the first sentence of the disputed paragraph, which could be considered a general opinion, the rest of it is fact. I don't understand what the problem is with NPOV in this case. Finland IS known for its contribution towards mobile technology, education standards HAVE gone up, they HAVE got the most computer programmers per head of population, Nokia DOES have a culture of sharing information and letting employees take the initiative with a fairly free reign, and English IS the official corporate language. Therefore I'm re-inserting the paragraph.

"The Finnish government's investment in technology and education has left the country with a high ratio of computer programmers per head of population." This is about Finland, and co-incidental to Nokia - add it to the article on Finland if you like. What goes in here must be equally true of sites in San Francisco, Tokyo, Hungary and Tampere, ie internal Corporate culture rather than local culture. I'll happily leave "Nokia is a progressive and forward-thinking mobile technology group spending millions on research and development and priding itself on being "first to market" with new applications."
I wonder why finnish people always like to peddle propaganda about their own country. I'm not convinced that either Finland or Nokia is so great in terms of being innovative, nor am I convinced that Nokia is "first to market with new applications". I would say that what Finland is actually good at is getting technology out to a vast proportion of their population. In other words Finns like buying and using technology.

[edit] Values

Point of interest: while researching a recent edit in the company's four listed "values", I noticed that both editors are right, depending on which nokia webpage you go to. Perhaps they are in the process of changing, or perhaps it is different for each country? Here's on with the older way ("Continuous learning"): http://www.nokia.ie/nokia/0,8764,29695,00.html Turnstep 20:25, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

Yes NPOV needs to be maintained. One could argue the Cold War, cold Climate, homogeneity, racial superiority, or reindeer as elements of Nokia's succeess?? One could equally reason for succeess from a another standpoint that having such dinosaurs and incompetent competitiors such as Telekom,AT&T, and Motorola are as important as reasons mentioned for Nolkia's succeesss. Hey, If IBM had developed cellular we would have $10,000 phones ( blue only), 1 very very big cell site around Armonk, software that didn't work PLUS WE WOULD STILL BE still waiting for FCS (first customer ship). LOL DMS

[edit] Wellington boots

Am I deluded, or do I remember seeing Nokia wellington boots on sale circa 1990? 213.94.242.185 16:31, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

No you aren't. Nokia made wellies for quite a long time, but the footwear division was divested in the 1990s, along with all other non-telecommunications divisions. I added "footwear" to the place in the article that mentions this divestment.

[edit] STBs

Nothing seems to mentioned of Nokia's once massive range of television set-top boxes, including the relatively infamous 9600 and D-Box systems as well as ubiquitous VideoCrypt boxes and ITV Digital systems which meant there was probably a Nokia decoder or a rebadge of such in every third or fourth house in the UK and Ireland in the late 1990s. They were mostly satellite, but there were DTT and cable ones also. --Kiand 01:34, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Snap Mobile

The article should mention SNAP mobile. http://snapmobile.nokia.com Mathiastck 20:49, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Message tones

The entry about messaage tones in Trivia section is false. I have tested it on several models (though, older, 3510i) and it' just not true. I don't know about newer models (series 60?) so if anyone can confirm, please add that it's for newer models only (although it seems very unlikely, morse code for "Connecting people"?) or delete it.

Well, I deleted it.

[edit] Trivia

"Nokia was originally a company set up to produce toilet paper." Is this true?
I thought that at the first years it was producing plastic boots. Even if they did produce only toilet paper in the beginning, I think we should still include this too.
Also, I believe it would be better if we had complete text, telling more about the things in the trivia section (not just a sentence or two). Abresas 13:48, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Nokia sailing boots were arguably the best in the world - they were very waterproof and very durable. Sounds a bit subjective there.

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