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[edit] Funimation

Duly popped in; you're quite right, this "controversy" isn't encyclopedic yet. See also FUNimation, Tsubasa Chronicle, and Speed Grapher, where similar claims had been added...  :/

— Haeleth Talk 23:36, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks. I'm glad to know I wasn't the only one who thought this whole "controversy" really wasn't. --nihon 23:56, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Seiyū articles

Guess I'm not the only one who creates good seiyū articles:a few of my seiyū stubs have proved to be springboards to your good expansion edits.Nice job...;)Ranma9617 04:09, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks. I'm in the middle of some changes at work (got promoted) so I haven't had time the last few days to do anything. I'll be back. though. :-) --nihon 08:13, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Maaya.jpg

Putting a promotional tag on the image is not really sufficient. You need to document the source. If it is from a CD booklet, you need to document on the image page which CD, otherwise this image still has no source.

Also, the ifd tag should be removed by the administrator taking care of the images for deletion -Thanks Nv8200p talk 15:17, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
Hey, I'm "being bold." :-) The source has been more clearly given, so please remove the {{ifd}} tag since you don't seem to want anyone else touching it. --nihon 07:42, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Barnstar

Image:Barnstar-minor.png Congratulations!!! You've earned yourself a barnstar!

FireFox 17:42, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] An Invitation

Hi Nihonjoe,

I noticed you've created some new articles recently, and I'd like to tell you about a way to publicize your articles to the Japan-related Wikipedia community. You can visit Wikipedia:Japan-related topics notice board/New Japan-related articles and add your article to the top of the list. Lots of us watch that page and will be interested in your creations.

Best regards,

Fg2 10:52, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks. I've posted the three latest there. :-) --nihon 22:28, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Japanese Titles: thanks for fixing typo...

Thanks for fixing my typo under the sama subhead in "Japanese titles." Your "grammar fixes," however, were no such thing: the antecedent of doctors and lawyers is practitioners, not profession; they should therefore be plural. Politicians is not another example of a practitioner of a profession and therefore needs to be separated from doctors and lawyers, and it is followed by a comma because I (and the previous editor) used the series comma.

Think what you will, but my corrections were correct for the way I changed the sentence. --nihon 19:43, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks are for fixing rending in to rendered in; my intent was to write rendering it in, but it looks like my eye didn't catch that.

No problem. --nihon 19:43, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

The subsequent section (on sama) also needs some factual correction; e.g., gokurō-sama is not an example of sama as a courtesy title; the next paragraph about sama being used to address "people considered to have some high ability or be particularly attractive" is a bit dodgy, as it mistakes the overt phenomenon and the underlying psychology; and the final paragraph (about ore-sama) fails to note that this usage is usually ironic and self-deprecating, not arrogant (i.e., a person who is being arrogant only would not use it to emphasize his superiority, although it may appear in a "thought balloon" in, say, a manga where the others in the story view the protagonist as haughty).

Best wishes, Jersey_Jim 00:40, 26 December 2005 (UTC) (still in Japan, still absorbing, but no longer a Japanophile)

I'm probably going to leave the article alone for a while as I have plenty of others that need me more. :-) --nihon 19:43, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
OK. Is this a reference to sama? If so, I might go in and do a little work on it. But I've got a lot on my plate too. Enjoy the holidays, Jersey_Jim 00:13, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
Yes, feel free to have fun with it. --nihon 01:51, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Ninja

Whether the word "忍" can mean "concealed" has little to do with whether the compound "忍者" can mean "concealed person" because a compound can have a meaning quite different from its constituent parts.

However, I agree that you were right that the word has a meaning of "concealed" after rereading my dictionary. (I am only ja-1, and closer to ja-0!) But there is no "non" meaning. Nevertheless I really don't want to bother with that article any more.—Gniw (Wing) 04:40, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Eiichiro Oda

I reverted the move. Oda never spells his own name with macrons. Neither do his books, which are published in the USA. The purpose of the bolded text: Eiichiro Oda (尾田栄一郎 Oda Eiichirō, born January 1, 1975) is to show the "standard" romanization. WhisperToMe 19:15, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

Well, in all likelihood, Oda rarely writes his name in anything other than Japanese. My personal preference is to use "Eiichirou" which most closely represents how the name is "spelled" in kana. --nihon 09:07, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
There is an occasion where he wrote his own name that way: http://www.shonenjump.com/downloads/wallpaper/images/onepiece_02.jpg - Also, all of the Indo-European versions of his comic write his name that way. WhisperToMe 05:52, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
Did you even read what I wrote? "Well, in all likelihood, Oda rarely writes his name in anything other than Japanese." Just because Indo-Europeans regularly write his name incorrectly doesn't make it correct. It's all Hepburn's fault for coming up with a retarded romanization scheme that only serves to confuse people. --nihon 06:00, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] List of Anime

Haré+Guu is the official English (US) title of "Jungle wa Itsumo...", and Wikipedia uses the English titles where they exist (I haven't moved the article to the correct name as I hate doing page moves). The "See:" thing was used on the article before I started editing it, it makes sense to me as it avoids having duplicate links on the page. Shiroi Hane 12:19, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

If that's the case, then I'll just move the article. My comment was that "Jungle wa Itsumo..." was the name of the current article. --nihon 16:38, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] userbox

I borrowed your great Japanophile userbox, arrigato! Chris 18:29, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

No problem. (^_^) --nihon 18:30, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Deletion of your talk comments

Very sorry about that; completely unintentional. OhnoitsJamie 19:36, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

No problem. --nihon 19:42, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: CVU CfD

I appreciate your activism, but my vote stands. I believe CoolCat acted entirely within his authority as an editor in listing it for debate. I also believe CVU has escaped its original purpose into a means for people to pad their pages with userboxes, and the first step in reforming it would be to delete the category and start over. A list of people who oppose vandalism is hardly of notable benefit to the project as a whole. Thanks, Will 00:08, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

'Authority' is a moot point here. Any editor can call for debate on a deletion, and arguing that CoolCat was somehow out of line there is a personal attack. Attacking CoolCat for calling for a more open and visible debate outside of the CVU talk page is hardly stepping out of line. It is in the common interests of every editor here to combat vandalism. This group is unnecessary padding, and does not benefit the anti-vandalism effort in a meaningful way. The effort would be better served by a static metapage detailing the tools available for combating vandalism. I reserve the right to vote the way I feel on an issue, and my doing so does not give you grounds to personally attack me on my userpage. Thanks, Will 00:40, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
I did not personally attack you. I questioned some of the ideas you presented, but I never resorted to attacking you personally. There's a huge difference. --nihon 00:45, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
Just because you don't have anything to speak of on your user page doesn't mean that others don't like to show their fellow editors their interests (or find those with similar interests) and some of the groups they work with on WP. That certainly qualifies as Ad hominem, if you ask me. -Will 01:01, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
I can see how that might have been taken as a personal attack, but that was not the intent. I was merely stating the facts (your page used to barely have anything on it, and other users' pages are none of your business). Either way, why do you even care about what someone else has on their own user page? Another user's page isn't your business, and your argument that people join CVU just to "pad their userpages with userboxes" is a very weak argument for deleting the entire category. Have you done any research to support your claim? Do you have links to pages where users have claimed this? Again, what another editor does with his/her own user page is not your business and should not involve you, me or anyone else unless they are clearly violating the accepted guidelines on WP. --nihon 01:46, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
Users have never owned their user pages -- they all exist for the good of the project, and in many cases, people have edited or removed things from userspace that were detrimental. In any case, I supported and helped CoolCat with ideas on how to fix CVU, and I am disappointed (but not surprised) that individual ego won out over the good of the project when it came to the actual attempts to fix things. --Improv 14:25, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
It is generally accepted that what a user does on his/her own user page is his/her own business, as long as it does not violate any of the rules and guidelines on WIkipedia. As for the whole CVU issue, individual ego has nothing to do with it. Deleting the category would have done nothing to improve CVU, and there have been some changes over the last week or so that have modified the way things work with CVU. It's too bad you didn't share any of these ideas with the rest of CVU, especially since it seems the rest (or at least a large chunk, anyway) of CVU disagreed with what Cool Cat was attempting to do without any sort of consensus beforehand. --nihon 01:39, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Non-ASCII

OK, if you feel that using Non-ASCII chars makes the article better or add value then go ahead, I would not edit war with you. Still it is difficult to enter the title (e.g. for redirects), it might not be printed correctly on all the possible settings of the browser, it would be sorted wierdly in categories, etc. abakharev 06:13, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

There are enough redirects in for all the different ways I've seen people transliterate the title that it shouldn't be a problem. It's also now linked from quite a few different pages. --nihon 06:15, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Anime and manga terminology

Just like to say thanks for your input on Anime and manga terminology. I'm trying to get a few more hands in. My aim with the article is to have a big page of words and phrases that people can browse through with short texts so that a half heard term can be remembered or a half understood term picked from similar sounding terms. Similar to side boxes in some reference works. (ooops) Alex Law 14:19, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

No problem. I just updated the TOC on the page to make it take up less space. --nihon 06:56, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] macrons

Not to discount the masses of great article making you're doing, but are you aware that you are singlehandedly monopolizing the macrons debate for Japanese articles? Technically article titles are still supposed to be macronless until some sort of official consensus is made.   freshgavin TALK    22:06, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

Not according to what I've read. The decision to make them macronless was made before the Mediawiki software was updated to allow macrons in titles. Since then, there has been a move toward using macrons in titles. As for "singlehandedly monopolizing the macrons debate," I have no idea what you're talking about. Where is this debate I'm supposed to be monopolizing? --nihon 05:51, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
Ugh, I typed a long response and then the server burped on me and I lost it. I'll summarize. I didn't mean "monopolize" in any malicious way, I just meant that because the number of articles you are creating outnumbers the total articles made by everyone else combined, there is an unfortunate effect that goes along with that in any decision you make (whether wrong or right) may be accepted as standard simply because it has become commonly used, and not out of any type of concensus or agreement.
You know the debate I'm talking about: you were taking a part in it, on the UTF and macrons extention to the MOS:JP talk page. You're correct in saying that the decision to keep them macronless was made before the Mediawiki software was updated, but there has been no 'move' since then, other than that editors have become more bold and have started taking things into their own hands because of a lack of response to small issues in the wiki. There was a wide vote made covering the use of all foreign characters in Wikipedia and the result was a vote of 60% for macrons, which is not a very safe majority when you understand Wikimedias official policies on voting (see m:Polls are evil). That poll wasn't considered conclusive in any way and thus the MOS clearly states: However, article titles must use short vowels and omit apostrophes after syllabic n since macrons are difficult to enter and proper use of apostrophes cannot be expected from people not familiar with Japanese. at Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_(Japan-related_articles)#Romanisation.
I've said it before that the reason for macronless titles is not that of style, or super-accuracy, but a user-server issue in that 95% of users don't type in macrons (most of the other 5% use cut&paste) and when they search for Toyama they're being sent through a useles redirect to the real article at Tōyama. Since a very small majority of searches are done with macrons, it makes sense to have redirects from the macroned terms to the simplified romaji terms and handle any possible ambiguity from there.
As for how the issue could be settled at all with such a big split in opinion in a system that is deemed non-democratic to begin with, I'm don't know about that. I choose to try to neutralize the problem by attempting to convince the largest offenders, which at this point, would be you!   freshgavin TALK    08:21, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
Sorry for being offensive. (^_-)
I disagree. I think it's better that the articles, including the titles, be as accurate as possible. Therefore, I use macrons in the titles in order to show that the character is differnt and should be noticed. I don't think the macronless redirects are useless as they point people to the correct title. That's the whole point of redirects: pointing from a commonly-used incorrect version of the title to the correct version. I think we should take full advantage of what the software allows us to do, and if that includes macrons in titles, then we should take advantage of it. Otherwise it would be a waste of a perfectly good feature.
As for me setting some sort of precedent due to the large number of articles I'm creating (even though the number really isn't all the large when put into perspective against the existing articles. Yes, I'm creating a decent amount of articles, but that's not a bad thing given that the articles are generally well made and not just stubs (for the most part). --nihon 08:32, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
It's not that the redirects are useless, but needless. I can't find a policy page for this (maybe there's one one Metawiki) but there is rule somewhere to use the shortest path to completing something in terms of server time (e.g. don't be a server hog) and it is usually applied to user templates that get millions of calls when somebody calls up a page. It is not righteous to think Wikipedia can handle it, so that means I should do it. If everyone thought like that, Wikipedia wouldn't be able to handle it anymore, and in fact, haven't you noticed how much slower the servers have been acting the last few months? How many lost packets? There are hundreds of millions of redirects made every day, I'm sure they have some noticable effect on server performance. In general it's not something that can be controlled, except by bots, but you shouldn't deliberately make the situation worse by creating redirects in an order than isn't needed.
Your argument about having the article titles as accurate as possible is null. If you really meant what you said, then you would be creating articles with titles in Japanese, but you're not, so you can't mean that. You're just trying to be more correct than the average user of Wikipedia, and I don't think that's fair.
Of course, I never meant to imply that there was anything wrong with the volume of articles you are making. They are all certainly much better than the crap stubs I've been wading through to fill out my owarai articles.   freshgavin TALK    09:15, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
Found the outline on Metawiki. What you are doing with redirects constitutes m:Instruction creep.   freshgavin TALK    09:35, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
Umm, no. I'm not producing any sort of instructions or procedures here. That page deals specifically with creating overly-complex instructions on how to do something on wikis. This has nothing to do with that. --nihon 19:30, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
A redirect is an instruction.   freshgavin TALK    00:06, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Made a comment on the macron vote, but had a slight reservation to something that you may want to look at (as it deals with intentional and deliberate non-macron use). Hope this helps.--み使い Mitsukai 21:39, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

How do I create an HTML escape sequence for one? Ranma9617 08:23, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

I recommend asking over here. I don't ever use escape codes. --日本穣 08:34, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] inuse & Category:Japanese women

Since these articles are in use, if it isn't too much trouble could you please add Category:Japanese women as you are editing (where appropriate)?

Thanks. -- EmperorBMA|話す 16:21, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Done. --nihon 02:14, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
Arigatou gozaimashita (ありがとうございました) ^_^ -- EmperorBMA|話す 20:43, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
No problem.--nihon 01:17, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Editing of anime in international distribution

I think I took care of that page. -Pitman6787

Took care of it? How? --nihon 01:17, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

I saw that you were responsible (and I mean that in a good way) for the warnings on the top of the page that it needed editing in grammar, spelling, etc., and that it wasn't objective, so I went through the article and edited, and I think I corrected those problems. -Pitman6787

[edit] Edit of Kikuko Inoue

I'd appreciate if you'd abide by the request at the top of that page: don't edit it while I'm doing so. I've reverted your edits.--nihon 23:56, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Why can't we co-exist. Why can I never edit with people. Anyways check the diff and make the corrections yourself then. Inoue-san has one and only one daughter. --Cool CatTalk|@ 00:05, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
I don't have any problem coexisting with you. The only problem I have is when people make edits to pages when I'm in the middle of doing a major edit. That's why I used the {{inuse}} tag. Why do you feel the need to go against my request not to edit the page while I'm working on it? That's hardly the sign of someone wanting to coexist. --nihon 00:17, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
I am not going to argue or respond to that, just don't make a similar remark to anyone else as they would eat you alive on wikipedia. I am, to say the very least, displeased with your response. --Cool CatTalk|@ 00:25, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
I don't have anyone else besides you editing a page marked {{inuse}}. It's marked that way on purpose. If you don't like it when someone gets upset with you because you're ignoring the polite and reasonable requests of another editor, then it's your problem, not mine. At the very least, you should have posted asking if it was okay to make an edit since it was marked {{inuse}}. --nihon 20:08, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
The thing you are trying to do is not an easy task. I never dared to attemt to do it myself, however I am not happy the way you treat my obviously productive edits. I did not edit anything on the lists, I could have as obviously the OVA and Movie sections are yet to be written. I am trying very hard not to give you a hard time, so please show the same courtesy.
The procedure is that you write articles on your userpage and copy to article space after. I have no reason to ask/require that as I have no intention of giving you a hard time. Last thing you want to do is give a fellow otaku a hard time.
You may want to take a look at List of Oh My Goddess episodes. I wrote most of that featured list and I want this one to be a featured list as well. I can apply a similar style once you are done. The hard part of course is gathering the data. --Cool CatTalk|@ 20:25, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] On userboxen

I understand your position, but I respectfully disagree with it. Userpages are not an unlimited, unbounded "perk", and there are many things that have been considered inappropriate there that have been edited out or in some cases resulted in complete deletion. I understand that NPOV does not apply -- I never have argued that it should apply to userpages. This is about preventing social rot, not about things directly relevant to the articles. I feel fairly secure in my interpretation of Jimbo's wishes. --Improv 07:03, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

I never said they were an "unlimited, unbounded perk." In fact, I gave specific examples of userboxes I thought would be entirely unacceptable. What I do think is that userboxes are acceptable as long as they aren't specifically bashing something. Expressing a simple belief (as long as it isn't doing what I already indicated was unacceptable) is perfectly fine. If someone gets ruffled feathers because someone states, "Mohammed is the true prophet of Allah.", then there's something wrong with the person getting ruffled, not the person using a userbox stating that, or with the userbox itself. --nihon 07:21, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kawaii

Why is it that fashion section was removed? Kawaii fashion and handwriting was and still is sourced... --Cool CatTalk|@ 16:14, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

See the Talk:Kawaii page and its archives for all the reasoning behind the changes. It's all been discussed and explained there.--日本穣 17:24, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] My Wife

I appreciate your kind wishes and help, right now it's not so much the money as that her family in Japan is grieving and is not yet ready to see me. But I so appreciate your help on my behalf, blessings to you. Chris 20:27, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kawaii

There is a person or two who wants to move this page elsewhere or perhaps try to get it deleted if they fail this. Thought youd want to know and perhaps voice an opinion. --Cool CatTalk|@ 00:25, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

Hmm..I thought that discussion was already over. I'll check it out. Thanks. (^_^) --nihon 20:09, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
Yea I thought so too... --Cool CatTalk|@ 20:26, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
Article is undergoing major edits by parties trying to delete it. They are removing lots of sections and even claiming Rice University is an unotable source. --Cool CatTalk|@ 20:47, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

A request for mediation has been filed with the Mediation Committee that lists you as a party. The Mediation Committee requires that all parties listed in a mediation must be notified of the mediation. Please review the request at Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/Japanese macrons, and indicate whether you agree or refuse to mediate. If you are unfamiliar with mediation, please refer to Wikipedia:Mediation. There are only seven days for everyone to agree, so please check as soon as possible. freshgavinΓΛĿЌ  00:58, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

I may surrender my request if it takes much longer. I still totally don't agree with the changes, but I guess there are some things that Wikipedia just doesn't have the foundations to handle, and if that's the case, I'd rather just leave it alone.  freshgavinΓΛĿЌ  09:59, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
I can certainly understand that. Like I said in my other comments, I suspect this mediation would only take a short time, and then it would be over. It seems to take far too long, though. --日本穣 18:30, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Glossary of Japanese film credit terms

Dear 日本穣,
Thank you for listing this at deletion review instead of once again reposting the content which would result in repeated deletions under WP:CSD#G4. Please refrain from personal attacks such as this. Have a nice day. — Feb. 27, '06 [07:24] <freakofnurxture|talk>

In the future, try using the edit summary instead of not. As an admin, you should know to always use the edit summary. The article was invalidly deletred as the AfD discussion did not conclude as the other admin indicated. S/He obviously did not read and carefully consider what was posted there, or it would not have been marked as "decision was to delete". --日本穣 07:31, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
Please explain where I failed to use an edit summary with regards to this topic. — Feb. 27, '06 [09:43] <freakofnurxture|talk>
I apologize as I confused you with someone else. --日本穣 18:30, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Please do not simply make accusations. The abovementioned article was deleted in accordance to Wikipedia:Deletion policy. It was nominated for deletion (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Translation of Japanese film credits into English), there is a consensus to have the article deleted (there are no keep votes, 4 delete votes, 80% majority), and even after your comment there is no other editor who voted to keep it. The article was deleted again by Freakofnurture as you have re-created it. If you feel strongly aganist this, please take it to Wikipedia:Deletion review. - Regards, Mailer Diablo 09:31, 27 February 2006 (UTC) My apologies for accidentally missing out your message, I was tending with other tasks. In this case the nominator should state withdrawal of the AfD, which is not done, and hence I counted the votes, and deleted it with a consensus of 75% majority (4 delete, 1 move). Since you've passed it on Wikipedia:Deletion review, I think it's best to let this issue be settled there. - Best regards, Mailer Diablo 09:46, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Contrary to your comments, I don't remember "...[causing the] article to be deleted, even after it was changed to a glossary", especially since I supported your decision to recreate the article under the latter name. I'm not sure why it got deleted again under the title "glossary", though I haven't exactly been online that much this week.  freshgavinΓΛĿЌ  03:21, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

It was deleted because you nominated it. If you had instead made a suggestion to change it to a glossary on the page's talk page, none of this mess would have ever happened. That's what I meant. It's always better to bring up something like this on the talk page first before nominating it for deletion. --日本穣 20:28, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
What you mean and what you actually say often don't seem to correspond, but whatever; you're right. I'm not a deletionist and I don't prod around looking for articles to delete, and I'm a little bit perturbed by the actions of the admins towards this.  freshgavinΓΛĿЌ  04:15, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
Sorry, I guess I lean too much toward the Japanese way of writing, where much more is implied and considered understood. This often confuses people here in the States. (^_^) --日本穣 18:30, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing the links in the wiktionary version. I hadn't realized that the en: shortcut no longer worked. Rossami (talk) 21:54, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

No problem. --日本穣 04:58, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
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