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[edit] I'm planning to delete the Globalize tag on School accreditation soon

Unless you can provide an example of another country with the same unique legal problem as the United States (a federal government with no plenary power), I'm deleting the tag. --Coolcaesar 05:28, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image:MetroValenciaCentreAccidentGFDL.png

Hi. Thanks for making this image. I presume you made it with a vector graphics program. If so, could you perhaps upload an SVG version? — Gulliver ✉ 05:57, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] mania template:abstract

good idea to make all gfdl automagically? I am wary, since we didn't actually say anything about it explicitly (except a long time ago on the cfp...) I know we just agreed to it for the full papers, I'm just hesitant about saying so in the templates w/o talking to the authors. bah. I don't know. phoebe 16:43, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, it's true we say everything's under the GFDL anyway through the site license, so I suppose it's ok. It just caught me off guard to have it just appear :) and I was doing the abstract for one of the laywers, which always makes me a little nervous :) I don't know. I can check with the others. phoebe 16:34, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 'mania template

do you think it would be ok to move the edit status template to the bottom, underneath the links, rather than the top? Or else shrink it a little? It's a little jarring, especially since everyone at this point will be bright red! Otherwise, though, I think it looks good.

will send you the full papers I have soon. thanks! :) phoebe 19:05, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re:Wikimania biography

Sure, I will write something in a few days, for now I wanted to replace the red link to something functional.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 00:47, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Spanish architecture, nominated for Wikipedia: Collaboration of the week

Hello! I have just nominated the article Spanish architecture for WP:CotW, and ask for your support to the election. Thank you for advance! Garcilaso 13:42, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re:User:194.119.153.9

Thanks for handling the matter, and also, now I know the procedure for the future.--Esprit15d 14:04, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cicilline pic

Yeah, I noticed that, which is why I didn't upload it myself. :-( --SarekOfVulcan 22:11, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikimania

The name of the presentations are not displayed everywhere the bios are. What about people who end up there from a Google search (and the pages from that wiki appear very high in search results). The bio pages then make no sense. Angela. 19:40, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Spanish writer stubs

It is strongly recommended that you first discuss new stub types on the stub sorting projects Proposals page so as to avoid potential problems. The three new stub types you created have the problem of being too small. The stub sorting project has a minimum recommend size of 60 articles for new stub types (30 if it will be the primary stub associated with a Wikiproject). Considering that Cat:Spanish writer stubs has under 100 stubs (even including the three new types you created), I'm going to be nominatng them for deletion on SFD. Caerwine Caerwhine 14:27, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

The 60 stub limit may seem arbitrary, but keep in mind that stub sorters can only handle so many different stub types. The limit exists to keep the total number of stub types down to a somewhat manageable size. Caerwine Caerwhine 15:01, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
Unfortunately, we've seen a few too many well-intentioned people who say they plan on populating newly-created stub categories to accept such plans at face. In addition, stub types are not the only way for Wikiprojects to organize things. Indeed, that's not even their purpose at all. Their purpose is to bring stub articles to the attention of editors who have the interest and resources to make them into full-fledged articles. Given the scope of your project, once we've delivered the stub to Cat:Spanish writer stubs, we've accomplished our intended task, and further splitting is warranted only if the stub type gets too large to be manageable.
Besides, it sounds like your project already has an organizational tool, namely those To Do lists you intend on turning into stub articles. Another tool that some WikiProjects use is to place notices on the talk pages of the articles they are interested, such notices have the advantage of not being limited to just stub articles. Caerwine Caerwhine 15:35, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
Such redirects are reasonably common and accepted, so that won't be a problem. The main point of the above was pointing out that there are other ways besides stubs to organize articles of interest that don't suffer from the limitations of having to work with us crotchety stub sorters. Caerwine Caerwhine 15:58, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] more on mania template

time of presentation was a feature request that I think is a good idea... walkerma is taking charge of filling in times. As he pointed out, it saves people from having to flip back & forth to the schedule to see if they can make a session.

Also, I've had a couple requests that we move the edit status template bar to the bottom of the template. I have to agree, there is no particular reason for it to be at the top (since most people are using the abstracts to check out various sessions now) and it's distracting. Could it go below the icons? I tried fiddling with it but was having trouble getting it to align properly. What do you think? 169.237.141.10 17:38, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

drat, that was me, of course. phoebe 17:40, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
Well, this *is* the defacto programme; as such, it's getting a lot of traffic by people who are confused by the editbar. This isn't a bad thing; it's nice for our work to serve double duty...

Anyway, most of the questions have been from authors who are saying "why does it say missing on my abstract?!" we should figure out a good explanation..phoebe 23:15, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Category:Proceedings by edit status

Wikimania Category:Proceedings by edit status is something that has been puzzling me for some time. I'd suggest adding some description and ilinks to the category pages, starting with to whom and how are we submit (and what), and who will advance the steps (are we supposed to do it ourselves?).-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk  00:11, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Tnx for the link, perhaps it should be more prominent. I looked through categories and found only one (1 - !) entry in category other then '0', I'd wager a guess that it is partially due to other editors being as confused about this as I am. PS. How can one contact the 'Proceedings editors'?-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk  00:29, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] papers, conference scheduling

good luck at the Fringe! I am in Boston at the moment going crazy trying to get everything ready for the conference, so I don't know how much I'll be able to harrass people about their papers. We do have emails & such & you're welcome to send a message to speakers. more in email. phoebe 04:53, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] First Family

Please help me. I am asking you, as a favor, to review the First Family of the United States article as it was immediately following my last contribution, before entire families were reverted. I seem to be the target of some kind of vendetta, and recently it seems that all of my contributions have been swiftly deleted. There wasn't even a reason given; they just axed the Ford, Eisenhower, and Nixon families without explanation. There was no political bias in my wording, no controversial claims, nothing even remotely resembling a hoax. They even took down my pictures, all of which were public domain.

Please read this article and then write your honest opinion in its talk page. I have been writing with Wikipedia for over ayear now but am seriously considering leaving because of this.

History21 05:52, 30 July 2006 (UTC)History21

[edit] August Esperanza Newsletter

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[edit] Sorry

Several users have expressed concern over my block nomination of several college a cappella groups. I would like to apologize for causing a medium-sized ruckus on the AFD page and thereby wasting the time of several excellent contributors. I see now that this was an ill choice for a block nomination. I'll be relisting most of the articles individually as soon as I can double check the list. Again, please accept my apologies. savidan(talk) (e@) 17:06, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] William H. Kennedy

A couple of days back you did the delete/revert trick to this page to remove a recent WP:BLP violating edit. But in the process you restored a large number of similarly critical edits from mid-July that had previously been deleted from the history. I was wondering if this was intentional or accidental. I'm guessing accidently, but I'm not going to jump in to "fix" it in case you did have a legitimate reason to restore those edits. - TexasAndroid 15:52, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Diff

It's entirely appropriate. It's ridiculous to expect me to sit there constantly reverting an article for half an hour when an admin can sort it out in a couple of clicks. If there's a problem getting timely administrator intervention, then either there aren't enough admins or there isn't an adequte way of alerting them. Either way it's a problem with wikipedia and edits like that are only going to become more common Dave 00:00, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

It's not an ideal method, but it worked. Therefore the deficiency is with the current setup of wikipedia, in that it encourages violation of WP:CIVIL. I do have a couple of proposals on how to improve the software in this regard (and at the same time sort out the RFA problem), and will be publishing them somwehere tomorrow. Dave 00:12, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] William H. Kennedy

I was asked to do so by Kelly Martin, who had been discussing the matter with Brad, on IRC. I haven't been following the issue, so I'm not sure of the reasoning which led them to decide it should be deleted, but I'm sure they would be glad to enlighten you. Regards — Dan | talk 20:14, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] September Esperanza Newsletter

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[edit] Re: Image sources

Understood. Was working on clearing out the (rather large) CSD backlog, and unfortunately I'm a bit new to image policies. I'll work on that. If you catch me making any other mistakes, please feel free to let me know. :) Thanks. Luna Santin 15:18, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Are you an administrator?

I am confused about the vote at Tal:Bill O'REilly, I agree with your statement, I just dont understand why its protected. Are you an administrator? I am unfamiliar with the process but it looks to me like the issue is still on backlog http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:RM#22_September_2006, waiting for an administrator to close it. Mrdthree 17:04, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Correction

On rechecking my comments, I found that the fourth and last copyvio mentioned there, on Internews Pakistan, wasn't made by User:PM Poon, so I've now deleted my comment about that on their talk page, and on AN/I. I stand by the rest of my comments.

However, I don't want your comments on their talk page to be taken out of context, so I'm telling you this now, to avoid any possible confusion, and to allow you to change your comments in that article if they are now rendered invalid because of the removal of the Internews Pakistan copyvio notice. However, if you read up that page, to my analysis of the Yescard edits, I hope I have provided sufficient evidence there that your comment is still valid. Good grief, I'm tired, I'm making mistakes, I'd better stop. -- The Anome 13:01, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Internews Pakistan

Seems like Anome is on a fault-finding mission that is tiring him out. He must have thought that he struck gold when he found Internews Pakistan, LOL. A person who is on a fault-finding mission cannot be impartial, can he?

Let me tell you the history of my involvement with Internews Pakistan. I left Wikipedia a year ago because of one or two admins (Mel Etitis was one; if there is another, I cannot remember who he was) and when I came back a week or two ago, I went to Wikipedia:Community Portal and seek out the To Do List under Wikifying, and found the article, Internews Pakistan, listed there for wikification. I then added links, corrected spelling and grammatical mistakes, if any, and reformatted the article. That's all. Nothing hideous, right? Fancy some admin trying to find fault with me for that when I am not even paid for my time!

Among others, I also wikified:

and even translated this:

  • Reichsjustizamt for which I got the following comment: awesome -- thanks for the article! — 01:06, 18 October 2006 The Anome, LOL.
— PM Poon 17:06, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Yescard

Ngb, thank you for drawing my attention to Wikipedia:Fair use criteria, which I find quite unusual for a publisher. But I will not dispute this, as it is a community consensus, not based on legal requirements. Can you please tell me whether the below sentence constitutes a copyright violation?

My statement:

In 1997, using the latest methods and research in factoring large numbers into primes by means of algorithms derived from "polynomial quadratic sieve", Serge Humpich, a French engineer, discovered a method of forging credit cards that could defeat the security measures that [were] put in place by the organizations issuing them.

Original statement:

Serge Humpich (a French Engineer) made a discovery that criminals can only dream of - how to forge credit card that can defeat security measures put in place by the organizations that issue genuine cards.

AND THREE PAGES LATER IN THE ORIGINAL TEXT, THIS:

Serge Humpich used in 1997 the latest methods and research in factoring large numbers into primes using algorithms derived from "polynomial quadratic sieve".

To be fair to Anome, this is to me one of his weakest contention, but we will get to the others later. A yes or no answer will suffice, cos it either infringes or it does not. — PM Poon 14:50, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for writing to me on 24 October 2006. It is now crystal clear that your purpose of contacting me then was to support The Anome. You represent TRUTH only when it suits your purpose, NOT when it doesn't. Keep it up!!! You will be very successful in life, LOL.

I have stop using this pseudonym and so far, I have no problems with anyone. Is it therefore not clear enough what The Anome was up to? — PM Poon 15:16, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

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