Talk:Neways

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After a small amount of research (namely [www.fda.gov]) it is interesting to note that there are a slew of Neways products which have been recalled for safety and health reasons. Comparing the number of hits on this US government website against the number of hits with its competitors (which Neways claims are using unsafe chemicals) would suggest that it is in fact Neways who are using unsafe chemicals in their products.

There are some bold claims about the Neways products in the article. It is also claimed that this is backed up by research, however no scientific references are given. Simply dropping the name of famous scientists who said nice things about Neways does not constitute proof. The language should be changed to suggest that these claims are statements of opinion only (unless, of course, somebody can provide some scientific research backing up the claims, which I doubt).

I agree - I've added the {advert} template to make this clear to the reader. WhiteCat 09:03, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

As a start, I've removed the Harmful Ingredients section altogether: this page should not be a platform to promote unsourced claims about harmful chemicals. Either these items being to each of the articles in question (eg Alcohol , Aluminium) or perhaps in articles such as Carcinogen or Allergy#Basis_of_increasing_prevalence. I think there is a need for a separate article summarizing the research into harmful chemicals in everyday consumables and the topic in general. This section however is not balanced enough to use as input (and nor would one expect material on a company with a vested interest in selling alternatives to be). WhiteCat 09:39, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

If you would like to know what exactly was said by mentioned authors, Phillip Day's books 'The ABC's of Disease' (p 250, 251) 'Health Wars' (p 217) 'Food for Thought' (p 152, 169) 'B17 Metabolic Therapy' (p 286) and 'Cancer' ( p 121, 170, 242) all published by Credence Publications of Kent, England, mention Neways on given pages. (147.10.94.175 07:57, 5 April 2006 (UTC))

Philip Day (an 'investigative reporter') isn't known for his scientific writing. One of his books claims that AIDS isn't caused by HIV (http://www.napwa.org.au/index.php?q=node/438). So we might need to qualify these references with this in mind. But if you have access to these books please provide quotes. WhiteCat 09:55, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Where would you like them posted? (147.10.94.175 10:42, 12 April 2006 (UTC))

Add them to the article! :) WhiteCat 23:28, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

So many of them! lol ^^ shall do when university is on holidays. (147.10.95.164 03:09, 28 May 2006 (UTC))

Also Dr. Samuel S. Epstein's book 'Unreasonable Risk', published by Environmental Toxicology Inc. goes into Neways, though I can't give you page numbers as I dont have a copy on me. If you're unsure about credentials just Google them. Reading the books in their entirety will give you some scientific backup if you want it, but I doubt any of us have the time. Alternatively, go to the Neways website and find the toxins they identify and pull up the MSDS (Material Safety Data Sheets) on these products. Companies producing any compound or chemical are required to provide an MSDS for industrial use by American Health and Safety regs. (147.10.94.175 07:57, 5 April 2006 (UTC))

Epstein also seems to have rather a fringe position (http://www.milkismilk.com/2005/02/prolific-pontificators-purvey-panic.html, http://www.fumento.com/epames.html) so I'm not sure there is 'scientific backup' to be found. But still it would be good to have more detailed description of his Neways material, rather than just "is backed up by independent researchers including Dr. Samuel Epstien". Regarding detailed information on toxins, again I don't think this is the page for this sort of material. WhiteCat 09:55, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

On the flipside, not every one thinks he's a radical weirdo it seems (http://www.preventcancer.com/about/epstein.htm). You're right - the Neways page is probably not the place to have detailed information on toxins, but a link or further reference would be good were there another page about it. In reference to your next comment, I'm also finding it hard to find a citing, but I'll tell you when I get it.(147.10.94.175 10:42, 12 April 2006 (UTC))

I'm not sure if you would find it relevant, but one of the founders of the company, Tom Mower sr, is the only American to have been Knighted by the Russian Republic for Scientific Achievement (due to his success using antioxidant Revenol, a product developed by Neways, with Chernobyl victims). Hope you can get something out of all that. (147.10.94.175 07:57, 5 April 2006 (UTC))

He's also been convicted of conspiracy to defraud the IRS in 2005 (http://www.usdoj.gov/tax/txdv05131.htm). Have you got a citation for the knighthood? I can't find a reference to an organisation called the 'Russian Republic for Scientific Achievement' outside of Neways promotional material. Actually, I can't find anything connecting Revenol & Chernobyl vicitims outside of marketing material either. WhiteCat 09:55, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Reading all that u have written makes me smile. First of all I am sure that u do agree that in the products u use there r harmful chemicals. As to use neways products or not it is all up to u. I have been using the products for over 6 months now and they r excellent. Besides the fact that by doing so i am earning an income. 2 choices - keep on using the harmful products and not get any money or change to neways and live a healthy and wealthy life my friend. Life is all choices and all the ones u make today will predict your future :-) As to the fraud, well i do not agree but who is innocent can throw the first stone. Just for peace of mind, the company has been bought by a large investor. It seems that some people do believe in Neways.

[edit] Health effects of chemicals

I've temporarily removed:

"This is due to their products being undiluted by harmful chemicals such as Sodium Laureth Sulphate (which is a cheap bulking agent suspected to cause cancer^{[citation needed]} ) and Propylene Glycol (which affects the body's chemistry by increasing the amount of acid leading to many problems^{[citation needed]} ), amongst a large array of other chemicals. Most of the other brands make use of these, or other, chemicals."

We should readd this only with citations to reliable sources, or else rewrite it. — Matt Crypto 13:46, 3 August 2006 (UTC)