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Contents 1 New Swabia's role in alternative historical theories section 2 Article name 3 Cleanup 4 Nazi Moon base 5 Map requested and added

[edit] New Swabia's role in alternative historical theories section

the New Swabia's role in alternative historical theories section contradicts what the hitlers suicide page on wikipedia says. namely that the soviets found the bodies and kept them for 30 years after their deaths before destroying them. so how could the soviets have intellegence reports putting them in argentina? this section needs to be changed.

[edit] Article name

This article should either be at New Swabia or Neuschwabenland, probably Neuschwabenland, as that's what's called on the maps I've seen. As it is, it is a mix of German and English.

I'd also disagree that the name is seldom used to describe the region. Most detailed maps of antarctica (eg National Geographic, my atlas etc.) that I've seen include the term.

• Feel free to move the article if you see a more appropriate title for it. I think the name is seldom used to describe the region, although it does appear on some detailed maps, mostly notably the National Geographic one. Warofdreams 22:59, 24 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I've moved it to "New Swabia", which is less of a mouthful for non-German speakers; fixed links as appropriate - Mmartins

I must ad that the claims as quoted in the german book Neu Schwabenland where not abondand by the german Federal Republic it where renewed in 1955 by an official state declaration but since than now offical statement was given Johann

[edit] Cleanup

At some point this article had been seeded with a PoV framework to support unfounded popular rumours that AH may have fled here after the war. I have NPoV'd that content and generally cleaned up the prose and syntax. Wyss 08:52, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

I really don't agree, IMO you gave far more airing to these ideas than anyone else had. As far as the "Hitler in a UFO w spaceman friends", I don't know of anyone who admits to believing that ;) I find it a fun story tho, much like the "Jesus rides on a UFO w bigfoot" cult in brazil. ¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸ 20:01, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

I took out credible because it is inherantly POV. What I think we can agree on is that there is no expert witness claiming this "Hitler in a UFO w spaceman friends" idea is literally true. ¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸ 20:05, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

Literally true? There's zero evidence for any of it. Wyss 20:12, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

Actually there is plenty of evidence for it being mythologically true, look into Miguel Serrano and Nazi mysticism. ¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸ 23:15, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

Semantics. I mean yeah, the myths exist but there's zero evidence of reality. Anyway putting it all in a Nazi mythology section is totally ok with me (!), truth be told I like it and find it entertaining presented in that context. Thanks for persisting with creative ideas, it makes a difference :) Wyss 23:59, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

Such unusual informations are what got me interested in encyclopedias in the first place. From a very early age I have enjoyed researching bizarre or esoteric phenomena. As far as "reality", anything that is even thought of has a certain intrinsic reality, even centuries after the imagining. Also, if only one out of every 100, or 1000 conspiracy theories or cryptid sightings contains a legitimate mystery... that would still be pretty impressive ;) ¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸ 04:46, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

I read Snopes from time to time, as an amused skeptic. IMO this stuff can be presented in an encyclopedia (especially WP) so long as it's done in a way that a reasonable, skimming reader can't mistake it for reality (or whatever one wants to call it). You know... that's why I didn't just delete it or try to ban it to a separate article etc. Anyway the moment I saw the new section title, the issue was resolved for me. Wyss 12:58, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

Certainly, my interpretaion of NPOV is that I neither want to confuse the reader into thinking such tales are widely respected, nor insult the believers (if they exist ;) by dismissing them out of hand. ¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸ 20:28, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

I'm not too worried about the sensitivities of people who want to believe such things (as you say, few apparently do). So long as fantasy (or myth, or whatever one wants to call it to avoid a semantic dispute) is plainly labeled and separated from supportable assertions, informing readers that such tales exist is helpful. Wyss 20:36, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

I wish there was some kind of reference for the Hitler myth - an in-text cite or something. As it is, it seems dubious whether there are any people who believe this. Evan Donovan 01:11, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

If you go the the Nazi moon base article, which this article refers to, you will find a link at the bottom to the originator of these fantasies: Vladimir Terziski. Regards. Thomas Blomberg 01:34, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Yeah and who knows... that Russian living in LA may not even believe it (and if he does, he's a nut). Lots of this stuff comes down to people hoping to make a bit of money by stirring up controversy about famous topics among the gullible. Wyss 08:03, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

I don't think there's much doubt about Terziski's nutiness - but he probably believes it himself. He would probably have made more money working as a cashier at Wal-Mart, than he has made on his books during all these years. Thomas Blomberg 20:38, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Nazi Moon base

I have just added a new article for the Nazi Moon base, I ask for assistance to anyone who is familiar with the subject of conspiracy theories and Nazi mysticism to aid me in expanding and making this article a worthy component. Thanks. Piecraft 18:16, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

• I just removed an external link about the moon base from this article, as the same external link already exists on the Wikipedia page about the moon base, which this article already has a link to. The madman Vladimir Terziski has enough Wikipedia plugs to his website as it is. Thomas Blomberg 06:24, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

"An esoteric Hitlerist legend recounts that Adolf Hitler did not commit suicide in 1945, but fled to Argentina, then to an SS base under the ice in New Swabia during the early 1950s where he either disappeared into the hollow earth or resumed his career as a painter - until the 1960s when he was taken by aliens to Aldebaran, where he is planning a campaign to conquer the planet. According to this account, Neu Schwabenland becomes the underground control center for a Nazi moon base. "

Seriously????? What was the deciding factor in whether he chose to resume his career as a painter or as an all-powering conquering aryan messiah of sorts? I guess they both have their merits...

[edit] Map requested and added

Quadell requested a map on 22 January 2006, so now there's a map, and I have removed the map request tag. Thomas Blomberg 04:22, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Ooh, nice. Thank you! Wikipeditor