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What the place for the lowest elevation doesn't say where it is. Instead, it is filled by the highest. Can someone fill that? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Hubert Wa (talk • contribs) 10:06, 12 December 2005 (UTC).

The misplaced elevation should be fixed, but it might be a bit hard to say "where the lowest elevation is". As far as I know, NSW doesn't have any points below sea level, and has quite a bit of coast. JPD (talk) 15:23, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

NSW has an area near Cootamundra that is below sea level. Its is on the geo maps somewhere. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.54.9.202 (talk • contribs) 19:13, 9 July 2006 (UTC+10 hours (AEST))

  • Rather surprising since Cottamundra's elevation is said to be 318m [1], glancing at an atlas, I don't see any evidence than any land nearby is below sea level - need a more specific reference perhaps.--A Y Arktos\talk 09:29, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

"Its coast faces the Tasman Sea." -last time I checked, the Pacific Ocean was off the coast of NSW. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.51.105.164 (talk • contribs) 03:42, 14 March 2006 UTC.

The Tasman Sea is part of the Pacific Ocean. JPD (talk) 09:38, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Why does Australia's most populous state, have such a small article? At 10.5 kb, it is the smallest of any Australian state/territory even the ACT has a bigger page with more information! Kyle sb 16:08, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Stuby

This page is a bit stubby. I would tag it but I dont know how.Rudraksha 00:55, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Page is really short!!

The article is written greatly, but it's too short, first of all it needs info on the climate, popular sports in NSW, and maybe attractions...anyone want to write this up and add it, if not I will 202.6.138.33 09:04, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Go for it! You might also want to create your own login to edit from—this lets you set up preferences for display and editing, and Wikipedia can help you track pages that you're interested in following. But if you want to do the edits anonymously, you're still perfectly welcome to do so. Glad to have you aboard!/blahedo (t) 17:16, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

What is this article lacking, maybe tourism info, climate ect Jackp 13:34, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

The article needs expansion in the sections that are already there, a decent history section, people/demographics, then maybe education, culture, etc. Climate would go in the geography section, but tourism info does not belong in Wikipedia. JPD (talk) 15:29, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
Except in the context of economy.--cj | talk 16:20, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
Of course. I should have said tourist info, rather than tourism info. JPD (talk) 08:23, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Timeline removal 9 July comments

Who took the rest of the Timeline away? if you think the First Fleet's commission and setting out isnt of huge importance to the establishment of the Colony of NSW then you are robbing this page. All decent versions of NSW's colonial story include the first fleet content as do most schhols etc when they ask students to do a project on it. That info came from NSW's Timeline up to 1879 so was part of the first 100 years of colonisation. I'm dumb though. I dont have a degree in this stuff re Oz so dont know that any decent representation of a place isnt just about one dimension. Actually Malaspina's report should be in that timeline also

Put the first fleet stuff on its own page then with a link back to it.

The timeline is way too short now. Surely more than that has happened the last 230 (600,000,000) years in NSW. It seems there are computer geeks from out of Australia editing stuff here who want to be clever with their tools but are not so clever with the content they put up or remove, and have probably no local knowledge re NSW let alone qualifications in presenting its multifaceted story. Can the geeks that get here realise other non computer wizz people may think the geeks are divine with their editing 'tools'; but have way higher skills then they probably ever will in history/cultural heritage/Indigenous stuff etc, as well as extensive local knowledge of areas - and stop stuffing stuff up!! If you really have to remove good and relevant content find another place to put it such as creating a page for it then putting a link leading to it from its previous site. Imagine readign that NSW page and there is nil there on the timeline or its Indigenous story. You know, Today's NSW started off with the colonials 'Creating a Nation' (Grimshaw, Lake, McGrath, Quartly, 1994). A theme line for presenting that process as its given in MODERN NSW these days runs as: birthplaces, conceiving a colony, transplanting patriachy, making male and female worlds, man's space, women's place, sex violence and theft, contested domains, gendered settlements, giving birth to the new nation, depression dreaming, freedom fear and family, the State as Father, Affirmations of difference.

There may be too much geek/male stuff happening re what gets put here. Computer geeks are very very clever but its the content that gets put here is more important that geek ego. If stuff gets put up that looks like some tired old 1950s representation of what NSW and Oz is about, then what use is that?

Try and follow the above themes a bit when putting stuff here re Oz as its how its done. DONT cut out the story of over 50% of the population by just putting in dead facts and the male story. Also include the Indigneous, women and children's stories on every last topic page or wik oz content is no good for anything much. Just simple stuff such as white women being hugely respected by their culture in 1850 (good for more than just washing up etc as labour was short) but barefoot and preggers at the sink by 1950 needs to be reflected. There is a reason for those two differences that should be reflected in the content that gets up re those two eras etc. on any timeline. How many women explorers were there? None? Right. I'll rephrase it - how many women with exploring parties were there? Who were they and what were their roles? Same as Ted Egan's 'The Drover's Boy' story.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.54.9.112 (talk • contribs) 14:34, 9 July 2006 (UTC+10 hours (AEST))

What is up on the NSW page now reads like half the Australian Almanac, that I have the 1999 copy of. Its good but geez. If I want to read that book, I can just pick it up and read it or find it online. Extracts fromt hat book , yeah, but not all NSW's page like that as that isnt how NSW is presented anywhere else and hasnt been for many years apart from in that sort of publication. Add some substance to the NSW page following the above themes a bit. Tie some of the dry fact stuff in with some of the other.

The First Fleet was hugely significant to NSW - and it got deleted.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.54.9.112 (talk • contribs) 14:46, 9 July 2006 (UTC+10 hours (AEST))

I may have different ip numbers but never a need to have different names. The following is from that other first fleet page

"The number of people directly associated with the First Fleet will probably never be exactly established, and all accounts of the event vary slightly."

Below is from what I put up: "'Sirius', H.M. frigate, Captain John Hunter; 'Supply', H.M. armed tender, Lieutenant Henry Ligbird Ball; 'Golden Grove', storeship; 'Fishburn', storeship; 'Borrowdale', storeship; 'Scarborough', transport, carrying 1 captain, 33 marines, 208 male convicts; 'Lady Penrhyn', transport, carring 1 captain, 2 lieutenants, 3 privates, and 102 female convicts; 'Friendship', transport, carrying 1 captain, 44 marines and privates, 77 male and 20 female convicts; 'Charlotte', transport, carrying 1 captain, 43 men, 88 male and 20 female convicts; 'Alexander', transport, carrying 2 lieutenants, 35 marines and 213 male convicts."

[edit] Mount Kosciuszko

Geoscience Australia gives the height as 2,228m. In any case, if there are further discussions to be had on this matter, I suggest Talk:Mount Kosciuszko. JPD (talk) 16:54, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] New South Welshmn

An inhabitant of New South Wales is referred to as a New South Welshman or, in gender-neutral language, as a New South Welsh person, but this is rarely used. It is far more common to say "s/he's from New South Wales" than "s/he's a New South Welshman".

Can you really say "she's a New South Welshman"? Is it a unisex term? Is there such a term as "New South Welshwoman"? Flapdragon 12:10, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Are we really called New South Welshman? Its the first time i've ever heard of it...--Ari89 10:07, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Yes the term is sometimes used - eg Proportionately less West Australians than New South Welshmen owned cars. [2] or But it’s not just the local fishing gentry among the New South Welshmen ... [3] or While many New South Welshmen served in WWII, ... [4] --Golden Wattle talk 09:34, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

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