Talk:New Jersey Turnpike

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[edit] Major Junction?

Ummm, guys? I dont really think NJ 168 is really a major junction per se. May I give my recommended list?

South of exit 9 when the turnpike gets more rual, the exits arent all that major though I could remotely understand NJ 168 but when we say "major" I am thinking of a higher capacity interchange. Anyone agree? Jgcarter 00:04, 8 December 2006 (UTC)


Copyright question -- this seems to be adapted from http://www.nycroads.com/roads/nj-turnpike/ . Gpietsch, do you have permission to use this material? If not, we will have to remove it. --Brion 21:23 Aug 30, 2002 (PDT)

The copyrighted text has been removed from the database. --Brion 19:09 Sep 2, 2002 (PDT)

Bruce Springsteen also made a reference to the New Jersey Turnpike in "Jungleland", from the "Born to Run" LP:

Man there's an opera out on the Turnpike
There's a ballet being fought out in the alley
Until the local cops, Cherry Tops, rips this holy night

[17:45, 12 December 2005 80.74.167.118]

Not really. Per the Dave Marsh books, the "opera" was meant as a reference to the Garden State Arts Center, near where Springsteen was living at the time, and the Arts Center is actually on the Garden State Parkway. So Bruce was either confused or taking artistic license; either way, the reference is not about the NJT. Wasted Time R 17:51, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] New images

Turnpike's unusual VMS
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Turnpike's unusual VMS
Passing southbound under the Pulaski skyway (Routes 1 and 9)
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Passing southbound under the Pulaski skyway (Routes 1 and 9)

Here are two images that might be good — Omegatron 21:39, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

The first is good to illustrate the Turnpike's unique changeable speed limit signs and warning signs, which are very different from most variable message displays. The second was taken below the Pulaski Skyway if I am not mistaken, is that true? --Chris 20:13, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Yes, that second is definitely under the Skyway, and based on the decline to the right and the Turnpike Extension (exits 14x) bridge in the background, headed south.
Atlant 14:13, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Toll Free Number for Traffic Conditions

Traffic conditions are available at 1-800-33NJTPK (1-800-336-5875). You can also get traffic conditions from http://www.state.nj.us/turnpike/

[edit] North end

The north end of the original Turnpike is at US 46. The extension to the GWB is just that - an extension. We don't list junctions on the other extensions, so why list them on the north extension? --SPUI (T - C) 11:07, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Because the extension to the GWB is an extension of the mainline; the other "extensions" are more spurs off the mainline than actual extensions. -- NORTH talk 11:12, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
Eh - how about now? Note that I have corrected several mileages - for instance you seem to have used the state line rather than the change of maintenance at the GWB. --SPUI (T - C) 11:15, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
Yes, I did. I apologize for that inaccuracy. -- NORTH talk 11:22, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Apologies for my assumption about the north end. [1] includes the text "the Turnpike’s 122-mile mainline roadway" and "the 122 miles of the New Jersey Turnpike mainline". --SPUI (T - C) 14:07, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Exits by mileage?

Has there ever been any serious discussion of renumbering the exits to use the approximate position (by mileage) rather than the sequential numbering used today?

If there has, I think it would be interesting to discuss this in the article as most of the major highways (at least in the Eastern U.S.) use this method of numbering exits. Dharris 15:11, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

As far as I know, no, there has not been any discussion about renumbering the exits. In the unlikely event any discussion were to happen, it would probably not be until after the completion of the interchange between I-95 and I-276 in Pennsylvania -- but as I said, even that is unlikely.
And actually, most highways--at least in the case of toll roads--in the northeast number their exits sequentially. The Garden State Parkway is an exception. The Pennsylvania and Ohio Turnpikes used to. -- NORTH talk 22:23, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Would Route 3 be considerwed major at the NJTP or Route 495, since it's going to and from the Lincoln Tunnel or with the Meadowlands?—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Nextbarker (talk • contribs) 15:59, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

And why wouldn't Route 278 be considered major at exit 13 with the Goethals Bridge at that exit? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Nextbarker (talk • contribs) 16:03, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Because in addition to determining whether or not a junction is major, we should also be careful not to list too many junctions. The junction list should be at most 10-12 junctions that are relatively evenly spaced along the length of the route. What I'd like to do is remove the I-280 and NJ 3 junctions you've added, and replace them with NJ 495 to the Lincoln Tunnel. -- NORTH talk 16:13, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
The advantage to this is that it's nicely evenly spaced; we have Exits 3, 6, 7A, 9, 11, 14, 16, and 18 listed in the infobox. -- NORTH talk 16:17, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Would Route 1 be acceptable in the info box next to Route 18 that's pretty major? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Nextbarker (talk • contribs) 18:48, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Yes, US 1 should have been listed. Please keep in mind that the proper format for U.S. Routes is US 1, not Route 1. -- NORTH talk 08:14, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
US 1 doesn't actually intersect the Turnpike there; it's just signed at the exit. There should be a TO between the 18 and 1 shields on the sign (and I think there is at the junction with Route 18 after the toll booth). All of the exits from 9 to 18 provide easy access to US 1. --SPUI (T - C) 09:00, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Should US 9 be acceptable to put next to the GSP shield in Woodbridge in the NJTP info box, that gets pretty jammed other then the usage for the GSP.

Sure, they don't have direct ramps to the NJTP but they can create big back ups especially US Route 1 at Route 18

Nextbarker 15:56, 23 August 2006 (UTC)Dan

[edit] Route 1

I know there no drect ramps from the NJTP to Route 1 in New Brunswick, but I think it should be added next to the NJ 18 shield because the NJTP does creat a backup just getting to NJ 18 + getting into US 1.

Nextbarker 22:06, 14 November 2006 (UTC)nextbarker

Nextbarker 03:44, 15 November 2006 (UTC)nextbarker

to the last one

I added a NJ 440 shield next to the I-287 shield since, there is a ramp to NJ 440 as well as 287.

Nextbarker 03:10, 16 November 2006 (UTC)nextbarker

I also added a US 1 shield next to NJ 18 because well there might not be ramp to US 1 from the NJTP, the NJTP can get very jammed up trying to get to 1.

Nextbarker 03:10, 16 November 2006 (UTC)nextbarker

I added a NJ 440 shield next to I-287 in the major junction box was that smart?

Nextbarker 00:45, 18 November 2006 (UTC)nextbarker

And can't you access Route 514 from the NJTP exit 10?

Nextbarker 00:46, 18 November 2006 (UTC)nextbarker

You can, but that doesn't make it a major junction.
US 1 was removed because even though there might be major back-ups, that doesn't change the fact that there's no junction between the two there. -- NORTH talk 21:13, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

I guess the NJ 440 shield wasn't smart either.

Nextbarker 04:03, 19 November 2006 (UTC)nextbarker

[edit] Route 440

Was the Route 440 shield appropriate to add next to the Interstate 287 shield on the NJTP infobox?

Nextbarker 18:16, 21 November 2006 (UTC)nextbarker

Yes. -- NORTH talk 02:47, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, its listed on the exit sign Jgcarter 03:17, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] U.S. Route 9 - NJ Turnpike

US Route 9 wouldn't be acceptable next to the GSP shield, since there are no direct ramps to US 9 from the NJTP at Exitt

Nextbarker 04:15, 28 November 2006 (UTC)nextbarker

Sure, there is. The ramp from the Turnpike and the ramp from the Parkway merge together; both have direct access -- even if the access to/from the Parkway is shorter. -- NORTH talk 16:56, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

I didn't think US Route 9 would be acceptable to put next to the GSP shield at exit 11, because there's no direct access ramp to and from the NJTP - Route 9, only merges with the GSP.

Nextbarker 06:01, 1 December 2006 (UTC)nextbarker

As I said above, yes, there is, although it's not a complete interchange. US 9 Northbound has direct access both to and from the Turnpike, US 9 Southbound only has direct access from the Turnpike. To clarify -- take for example US 9 heading northbound. There's a left exit on US 9 northbound at about the same point Exit 129 exits from the right of the GSP northbound. Those two exit ramps merge together right before the Turnpike toll plaza. (Southbound to southbound movements are exactly the same, opposite direction movements are the hairy ones.) That's very different from the case at Exit 9 where you have to exit from the Turnpike and merge completely into Route 18 for a mile before you get to US 1.
I do understand the confusion though, since in that area US 9 essentially acts as a C-D road for the Parkway. The two are completely separate highways though. (The parkway is maintained by the Turnpike Authority, US 9 by NJDOT.) You'd have to say that either both the Parkway and US 9 have direct access (although not in all directions for US 9), or neither do. It's obviously both. -- NORTH talk 07:12, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

US 9 South has a direct access from the NJ Turnpike?

I've seen the NJTP ramp and if you say to the left getting off the NJTP you hit the GSP so if you go straight then you hit US 9 South but where does US 9 North come in, do you have to take Route 184 East? I don't live in Woodbridge

Nextbarker 04:35, 3 December 2006 (UTC)nextbarker

If you stay

Nextbarker 04:36, 3 December 2006 (UTC)nextbarker

Cause I noticed on the NJTP/GSP cd road, there's a mentioning of Route 1 that point before US 9 South merges in.

Nextbarker 04:39, 3 December 2006 (UTC)nextbarker

My apologies, I was incorrect. There is direct access from US 9 Northbound to the Turnpike, and from the Turnpike to US 9 Southbound. (Not from the Turnpike to US 9 Northbound as I originally said.) Traffic can use Route 184 and King Georges Road to U-turn and make the missing movements. Regardless, US 9 should be listed in the junction list. -- NORTH talk 23:03, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
Dont forget, though; US 9 'IS' Listed on the exit 11 Sign. It has a US 9 shield and below it reads "Garden State PARKWAY". So I agree that US 9 should be included. Jgcarter 14:49, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
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