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[edit] Please discuss your edits before deleting this article
The user User:Gavinstarks has added major edits to this article (read: removed 90% of it) without discussion within this page. This is in accordance with wikispam (Wikipedia:Spam) and shall not be tolerated further. If you feel anything in the article is there without purpose, please discuss it here. --24.20.181.127 01:42, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] The Use of Netcast on Wikipedia
We cannot go around and changing every mention of Podcast on the Wiki to Netcast. Many people still use podcast, and I don't think Netcast has been around enough, or being used enough to allow mass changes like I've seen the past few days. - CaptainAmerica 00:30, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
- ---> I saw some fishermen netcasting the other day! Q:What's wrong with webcast? --Travisthurston 23:46, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
- I don't think anything is wrong with Podcast... - CaptainAmerica 00:14, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
This is silly. I know trademarks don't have the same "precedent of use by others" defense that patents have, but podcast was added to the New Oxford American Dictionary list year, it obviously is in extremely wide use. Is there really any credible chance that Apple could make a legal impact on the use of "podcast", if it decided to try?
On the other hand, it's clear that "podcast" is somewhat misleading to new listeners. But I'm having a hard time understanding how the legal arguments for using "netcast" have any credibility. --Interiot 04:42, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
Yes, it is silly. But it's still relevant. There's no case for this merger.--24.20.181.127 22:49, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
If we are going to stop podcasting... can we quit googling and xeroxing bandaids too? That would be of great help!
I think apple haters should get over it and go back to their word documents. --Travisthurston 02:25, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
I am certainly not an Apple hater (I don't like some of their products, but I loathe Microsoft), but I think them going after people using "podcast" is unethical, and a horrible PR move.--24.20.181.127 01:29, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
We interviewed Leo Laporte at the Podcast and Portable Media Expo, right after he made the speech in which he proposed the term "netcast." Here's a link to the blog post and audio link: http://providentpartners.blogspot.com/2006/09/leo-laporte-and-albert-maruggi-live.html
- Personally, I think this entire article should be moved to "podcast," especially since, by definition, they have identical meanings -- this should be a subsection under that article. It's also clear that far more people recognize the term "podcast" than "netcast," and I think it's biased to promote the use of "netcast" in other Wikipedia articles (unless it's specifically referring to this debate, of course). If Apple takes legal control of the word "podcast" (which is not going to happen, by the way), then the usage can be changed on Wikipedia in the future. BJ Nemeth 00:57, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
- I agree, they're two different words for the same thing. This is essentially a content fork. Podcast kicks Netcast's ass in a Googlefight, with almost ninety times the hits. I see that the 'merge' tag has been removed twice, by the same IP, with the summaries merger was turned down and merger revoked -- again, but I can't seem to find where a consensus was reached against the merge. Personally, I don't think there's any content here that needs to be merged - placing a redirect here and a short mention of the term in the main article would do. -- Vary | Talk 01:47, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
I've re-added the merge template and started a discussion at Talk:Podcast#Merge/Redirect Netcast here? - the merge template seems to prefer locating the discussion at the target page, so please post your comments there. -- Vary | Talk 02:51, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] I got it... Zunecasting!
Can we Zunecast instead? --Travisthurston 02:27, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
- If only you weren't the first to come up with that - CaptainAmerica 22:07, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
- Oh god........ :) -- Will it have PlaysForShit in it? -- Tawker 18:43, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Misinformation
Surely this statement:
By Septermber 26, 2006, a number of individuals had begun using term "netcast", including large corporates such as CBS. [1] who used it prior to Laporte's proposal. CNET's Buzz Out Loud podcast also used "netcast" jokingly before Laporte mentioned it in his keynote at the Podcast Expo.
Is misinformation. So a number of individuals had started to use it, and then giving an example of two who used it before Leo suggested it? Surely thats just wrong --217.65.158.91 09:25, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
- Why is it wrong? Besides, Buzz Out Loud is actually three people, and I don't think one single person works at CBS. - CaptainAmerica 17:23, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
- Clearly it's a fictional statement anyway, as there is no month called "SepteRmber," at least as far as I know. So anything could be possible by Septermber 26, I guess. But yeah, this seems deceptive to me; who are the individuals and corporations who started using the term seriously following Leo's proposal? Not CBS, who was already using it; not Buzz Out Loud, who made their (joking) suggestion of netcast before Leo's speech. So who are these "number of individuals" of which you speak? Seems like wishful thinking to me. -Erzeszut 18:15, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
- I agree, this article is merely sensationalism. It should be downsized, merged to the history of podcasting article, and deleted, IMO. - CaptainAmerica 22:42, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
- The introduction should be rewritten to say something like "Leo Laporte began actively promoting the term 'netcast' on September 22, 2006, in response to recent legal action by Apple that made him question whether they were trying to control use of the term 'podcast.'" This addresses the fact that Laporte didn't coin the term, but has become an advocate for it. I am planning to make this edit soon, but am open to discussion (here) in the meantime. BJ Nemeth 00:51, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
- How come there is a section titled "List of companies using "podcast" to whom Apple has sent cease-and-desist letters"? Since there's only one company listed (Podcast Ready), shouldn't it read "List of company ..."? Also, the text under this section states that the cease-and-desist letter was for the company's use of the word "MyPodder." So it wasn't about "podcast" after all. I think that bottom section should be merged with the previous one, for companies using the word "pod." BJ Nemeth 21:37, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
