User talk:Neofelis Nebulosa

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Contents 1 My maps 2 nice work 3 Woman in picture 4 about Alex Hleb 5 Your signature 6 Pironkova 7 Thanks 8 Edit summaries 9 Thank you! 10 Re:My RfA 11 Nishkid64's RfA thanks 12 broken userbox on your user page? 12.1 WikiProject 13 Endangered South American languages 14 WikiSmile 15 Rani Mukherjee and Shah Rukh Khan 16 Finnish

[edit] My maps

Hi, I noticed a derivation of one of my maps over at fi:Nilosaharalaiset kielet (this particular image). While I'm glad to be of use, I'm a little concerned about the copyright compliancy. I release all of my images under the Creative Commons Attribution 2.0 license, which stipulates that the name of the original creator be mentioned... and I don't think I saw my name anywhere. But that's not really the point — I would be more than happy to provide you with Finnish language versions of the maps myself, now that I know what the corresponding Finnish terms for the language families are. I've done the same for the Dutch Wikipedia, see for example nl:Nilo-Saharaanse talen. Let me know your thoughts! Cheers, — mark ✎ 28 June 2005 23:32 (UTC)

Hi Mark. Yeah, I now added your name to the picture page. It actually never crossed my mind that someone would be concerned with the copyrights etc. of such simple pictures... But of course someone has to draw them in the first place! BTW., did you draw them by hand and/or using a model picture? Anyhow, it's a useful map. And yes, in the future, if you want, I can page you and ask for a finnish version of some map of yours if you necessarily want to go through the trouble of making the translations yourself (instead of me making them). BTW#2 the article on systemic bias I found you had linked to your page was very interesting. Indeed it should be fought against but one thing that I couldn't help but to think was that the English Wiki thinks of itself as the 'universal' Wiki (though at the same time everybody's making efforts to get the other-language wikis going) - if all the Chinese had access to the net, why would they come to the English wiki to churn out all their China-related articles? Just a thought. BTW#3, do you know has the Nobiin language ever been called the 'Nubian' language or is this name just a figment of my tired imagination? Tot ziens! --Lumijaguaari 29 June 2005 00:24 (UTC)

(Spreek jij Nederlands?) Thanks for attributing the map. The final product may look simple, but I've done quite some research and tweaking before arriving there. I don't draw them by hand though, it is a bitmap version of the vector map I made in CorelDraw. And yes, I am concerned about the copyright of my maps. Mind you, an interwiki situation like this is just a minor one — you wouldn't want to know how many mirrors and forks of Wikipedia there are out there that are routinely violating copyrights. I'm not talking about this particular map, but about all of my work for Wikipedia.

Yes, the English Wikipedia likes to think about itself as a wiki with a global audience. That's because Wikipedia is not a paper encyclopedia and because it is an international project. As for Nobiin: yes, it is sometimes called 'Nubian' but the term is more commonly used for the language family of which Nobiin is a member, the Nubian languages. Cheers, — mark ✎ 29 June 2005 09:06 (UTC)

Hehe, no I don't speak it (yet)....but I'm taking part in the 'language learning month' beginning in July down at UniLang, so maybe in the near future! What I meant by the question about drawing by hand was: Did you do the actual research by yourself, meaning collecting the bits of data that you must have to draw the map in the 1st place or did you have an earlier map to model your map on? But I guess your answer to that was yes? And yes, I can appreciate that it must be hard to keep a hold on all the strings, so to say, copyright-wise, in this wiki-universe but surely you must've seen it coming? Of course I don't know what do you mean by all of your work for Wiki, but just for curiosity's sake, why is the copyright important? I mean, there's no money in producing a map or two, right? And this is just an honest question, I don't mean to belittle your work. About the systemic bias then, what I meant was that the systemic bias isn't nearly as strong if you consider Wikipedia to consist of _all_ the Wikipedias as opposed to considering Wikipedia to be just the English Wiki. Just because the English Wiki doesn't have an article on Mika Häkkinen's birthplace or Marco Van Basten's sister-in-law's dog, the Finnish or Dutch Wikis might have it. But of course even that won't remove the socio-economic bias....well, I'm off to see "War of the Worlds" now! --Lumijaguaari 29 June 2005 18:39 (UTC)

(Veel succes dan met het leren van Nederlands!) To me, the copyright of my images is important because I've put a bit of myself in them. No, they didn't cost me any money, but they did take a lot of time to research and create. I take great pride in making my maps as accurately and as well-informed as possible. It follows that I take responsibility for them. All this is expressed in my wish to be attributed as the creator.

As for the systemic bias, your point is well taken. I, for one, happen to be not particularly interested in Marco Van Basten's sister-in-law's dog — but yes you are right that this dog has more chance to get included in the Dutch Wikipedia than in the English Wikipedia, and with good reason. However, the Countering Systemic Bias thing is not only about the granularity of particular language versions of Wikipedia. I perceive the problem to be broader than this. My primary reason to partake in the CSB project is best explained with an example. In September 2004, there was no article yet on the Second Congo Civil War, a war which took millions of lives. I think I don't have to explain that coverage of topics like this is not a matter of nationality at all; every language version of Wikipedia ought to have an article on this. Additionally, there frequently has been talk of distributing Wikipedia in some form to schools in developing countries. As many indigenous language versions are too little to be distributed, the most logical choice is one of the bigger ones. It follows that in fact we are writing largely for a global audience. The Countering Systemic Bias project is one of the entities that tries to ensure a global perspective.

Hope you like War of the Worlds! — mark ✎ 29 June 2005 20:04 (UTC)

Yes, it's a good point you made: Time is often more valuable than money! And I of course agree about the absurdity of there not being an article of sth like the Kongo civil war. In 2005, it might hold true - the fact that you & I are writing to a global audience when we add to an article on the English wiki but maybe in the future that will change when the other Wikis catch up and a native Hindi speaker doesn't have to check sth from the English version. And yes, War of the Worlds was pretty good! Recommended. --Lumijaguaari 30 June 2005 00:10 (UTC)

[edit] nice work

Hi Neofilis Nebulosa, Thanks for the maps of Subdivisions of Ethiopia. They really help out! - BanyanTree 17:04, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

Kein Problem! It'd be nice to take credit for them but actually I just made links to them, they're from Commons. --Lumijaguaari 20:43, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Woman in picture

I would not feel comfortable giving you either woman's name. They are friends of mine from the past. I assume you mean the woman on the right, who is Ethiopian. And yes, she is quite beautiful. Pacian 07:04, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

I understand of course...and I guess I forgot what's left and what's right.. and I guess I'm not surprised that she's Ethiopian, either. Can I just ask if she speaks Amharic? On another note, looking at your contrubutions, do you happen to know the name Oppera means? I'm a lover of opera ('ooppera' in Finnish) and incidentally, have a couple of songs from Martika. --Lumijaguaari 10:15, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

Oppera is simply the name of the band formed in 2004 by Martika and her husband Michael Mozart. it is not a real word; I think they just added an extra p to make it funky. As for the girl in the photograph, I have no idea. She never spoke it in front of me. She is Ethiopian-American, and if I recall correctly she was born and raised here. I haven't spoken to her in many years. Why do you ask? Pacian 02:53, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] about Alex Hleb

I think, you should use more official (since he himself uses it) version "Аляксандр Глеб". Belarusian wiki sometimes uses so-called "unofficial" spelling, so proper names can sometimes be slightly altered. I mean, generally "Аляксандар" and "Аляксандр" are the same name, written with different spelling systems. Did I answer your question? :) --Monkbel 16:40, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

так так, дзякуй! These name issues are always full of complexities. So thanks. --Lumijaguaari 22:01, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your signature

Hello, Neofelis Nebulosa. I just wanted to let you know that your signature currently doesn't link to anything; the page Käyttäjä:Neofelis Nebulosa doesn't exist yet. If you wish to link to another language's page, you can link so by doing this: XX:Käyttäjä:Neofelis Nebulosa, where XX is the language code (should say XX.wikipedia.org in that language). Otherwise, would you mind including a link to your user page? Your votes in the ArbCom election were being misread by the script, and I tagged each of your votes with an {{unsigned}} template so that the script wouldn't flag your votes. Thanks a lot! Flcelloguy (A note?) 22:31, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Hello and thanks for pointing this out - I copypasted my signature from the Finnish wiki and I guess I forgot to alter it accordingly. My intention was of course to provide a link to my en-wiki page, as is normal. About the votings, do I need to vote again? (don't know what that flagging exactly means) --Lumijaguaari (моє обговорення) 22:56, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

And now for some reason I can't make that user page link in parentheses work though it works on the fi-wiki. Oh well. --Lumijaguaari (моє обговорення) 23:03, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! Your current votes are fine now; don't worry about them (an automated script simply marked votes that it could not recognize). As for your signature, first, there's no need to add the "en:" in front (which I se eyou've removed in your second signature), and it probably doesn't work on this page because it's the same page - i.e. self-referencial page links (User talk:Neofelis Nebulosa, in this case) are automatically bolded and de-linked on that page. Thus, your signature should be fine. Thanks! Flcelloguy (A note?) 00:27, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

Oh yeah, that's a logical explanation. I only double-checked the sig about 100 times hehe... --Lumijaguaari (моє обговорення) 01:50, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pironkova

I think you can add to the other article as thats the name given in the WTA tour. Cheers Pratyush 11:45, 19 January 2006 (UTC)Pratyush

Hmm, yeah maybe. It's just that the way I see it, the WTA site has it wrong. But then again, I'm no expert on the bulgarian language...I just don't know what the extra z is there for. --Lumijaguaari (моє обговорення) 22:13, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Thank you for signing my manifesto, at least I think "Oui" means agree ;) If not let me know. The Ungovernable Force 10:25, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Yes yes, c'est français. No problemo - Hope your efforts bring good things. --Neofelis Nebulosa (моє обговорення) 23:45, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Edit summaries

Hi there! I think you were looking for this? Remember, editsummaritis can also be fatal ;-)

Cheers, The Minister of War ^(Peace) 11:35, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, Minister! And yeah, addiction-wise, this here place is pretty damn lethal :). --Neofelis Nebulosa (моє обговорення) 12:57, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you!

Thank you! Hi Neofelis Nebulosa, thank you for your support in my Rfa! It passed with a final tally of 86/0/0. If you need help or just want to talk let me know! Again, thank you! – Dakota ~ ° 21:22, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re:My RfA

I added this response to the oppose vote that David D. posted on my RfA.

"I did calm down problems. What McGinnly quoted on his talk page was the first edit I made. I ended up changing that a bit after I had cooled down a bit. I even repeatedly apologized on McGinnly's talk page, and I went as far as re-answering his question. We have resolved our conflict. Apparently, people may not have seen this yet (and I would understand why), but if people had seen it, they would have seen how that I avoided a potentially huge conflict by eventually resolving it in due time. 6 of these oppose votes came as a result of the comment I left on McGinnly's talk page the first time, and people haven't checked to see how I tried to make amends for my behavior."

I just want to tell you that this was an anomaly in my behavior, and that McGinnly took my comment out of context. I had reformed my edit, and I even repeatedly apologized to McGinnly and I have gone as far as making amends for my behavior.

Although you may think negatively of me still, I would appreciate it if you re-consider your vote on my RfA (even though, it looks like it will close later today).

--Nishkid64 20:30, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Hi, I didn't have time to reconsider my vote but it seems you got through and it wouldn't have mattered anyhow. Good luck, I'm sure you'll rise to the challenge. --Neofelis Nebulosa (моє обговорення) 00:28, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Nishkid64's RfA thanks

Thank you very much for participating in my RfA, which closed successfully earlier today with a result of (60/9/4). Although, I encountered a few problems in my RfA, I have peacefully resolved my conflicts and made amends with the people involved. If you have any further questions or suggestions, feel free talk to me. I hope I will live up to your expectations. --Nishkid64 22:14, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] broken userbox on your user page?

hey I think your "userbox:user likes to write" is broken. Cheers --Ling.Nut 01:25, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Yepp, so it seems. I've kind of lost the willpower to maintain my user page here on EN. I appreciate your work on the articles about small indigenous languages, btw. --Neofelis Nebulosa (моє обговорення) 01:33, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject

Mmmm. I have even thought once or twice of starting a Wikiproject for Language revitalization... but the Wikiproject for Human Rights had like four or five members last time I looked. That doesn't fill me with hope that a new project would attract tons of attention. --Ling.Nut 16:24, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

You're right, but there's no harm in trying. Perhaps you could try to summon people at Wikipedia:WikiProject Languages? --Neofelis Nebulosa (моє обговорення) 23:30, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

It's a thought. I would wanna have a really really nice-looking interface already all set up, all the pages completely written, etc. Even from the beginning, the project would already have two strikes against it for being a little narrow in scope. I would want it to be as attractive, user-friendly and ready for use as possible from the first moment I annnounced it. No excuse for having a narrow-scoped project that looks like cr*p. :-)

So the short answer is, certainly not until Christmas. And even then, it still has strikes against it, as I said. :-)

Thanks!--Ling.Nut 15:00, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

You appear to be a shrewd marketing man! Anyways, now when I think of this, count me in if you decide to start this project. Though, as someone who's exasperated with the presence of English everywhere, I don't contribute many articles to En-WP, this subject is so close to my heart that I could make an exception. --Neofelis Nebulosa (моє обговорення) 15:10, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

• Oh PS. Stop me if I'm wrong, but there just aren't that many articles related to language revitalization. And if there was a drive to write them... hmmm... I dunno. Most people would think that LR information would be, at best, a subsection within an article about a given language. Hmmm.--Ling.Nut 15:06, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

I promise I will give this project some very serious thought. I'm a bit hesitant (for reasons discussed above), but you know, maybe I'll just say what the heck and do it. Whatever I decide, I'll contact you to let you know whether or not I'm doing it. I'm certain that I won't put any serious effort into it until the thrid week of December or so, though.

Cheers --Ling.Nut 19:22, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

OK. Another possibility is to widen the scope of the project - for instance with including endangered languages. Though there is a large number of them, maybe that's too much. --Neofelis Nebulosa (моє обговорення) 21:38, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

There's no such freaking thing as too much! Why didn't I think of that? That's brilliant!--Ling.Nut 21:45, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Endangered South American languages

Hi again,

Am starting a table for list of endangered languages, based on the UNESCO Red Book. Of course many things need to be done; but would like initial comments:

User:Ling.Nut/ELSA

Thanks, --Ling.Nut 01:24, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

• PS am getting ambitious: see WikiProject endangered languages and language revitalization--Ling.Nut 16:06, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Sheesh, you were fast. The frame you have put up looks very good indeed, I'll be glad to join in such a photogenic project. Tell me if you need any (non-technical) assistance. PS. A good and insightful book about the subject is Vanishing Voices - I recommend it. --Neofelis Nebulosa (моє обговорення) 17:07, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Hey -- just so it won't look so pathetic and bare-- can you follow the "Interested parties can sign up here" link and sign your name? I'm not asking you to do anything (unless you want to), but I just hate an empty "Sign Here" space:

Brief proposal and discussion of scope: User:Ling.Nut#Current_Projects (Especially note my questions about expanding the scope to include language revitalization).

Skeletal project page: see top of page for links to lists of endangered languages that I have been working on:

• WikiProject endangered languages (and language revitalization)

Interested parties can sign up here (no membership page as yet):

• WikiProject Proposal page

Thanks--Ling.Nut 14:18, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WikiSmile

[edit] Rani Mukherjee and Shah Rukh Khan

Please take the time to register your votes for Rani Mukherjee and Shah Rukh Khan to be properly renamed according to official Wikipedia conventions. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ekantik (talk • contribs) 05:32, 9 December 2006 (UTC).

Thank you very much! :-) ekantiK ^talk 04:51, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Finnish

Hello, nice page you got going here... I changed the offered Finnish translation ('Rajat vittuun') to a more correct one. 'Rajat vittuun' means sth akin to 'to hell with (all) the borders' whereas 'Vitut rajasta' refers to one single border (sth like 'I don't give a fuck about the border'). --Neofelis Nebulosa (моє обговорення) 07:52, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for the input :) I'm actually probably looking for the plural. The idea of the phrase/slogan is "down with all national borders". So although in English, we can say "fuck the border (as an idea)" in the singular, it is not always the same with other languages. Should 'border' be singular or plural in Finnish? (Please respond to the talk page). - Francis Tyers · 16:28, 12 December 2006 (UTC)