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Much of the content on this page came from the (now-removed) merged article "Evangelion ancillary glossary", which is now available at Talk:Neon Genesis Evangelion glossary/Evangelion ancillary glossary. Do not delete that page - we need it (and its history) for Wikipedia copyright reasons! Noel (talk) 19:28, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)

You sure this isn't supposed to be Ancillary Glossary? -- EmperorBMA|話す 02:35, 21 Jul 2004 (UTC)

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[edit] Black Moon Vs. White Moon

I'm guessing that the First Impact was caused by the Black Moon hitting Earth, not the White Moon, because otherwise the moon would be mostly ice, not dust. The article currently speculates it is either. Is my conclusion logical (unlike my sentence structure)?

Also, on the subject of the White Moon, there is a confusing contradiction in the bullet for First Impact and the bullet for White Moon. Both indicate it as the egg of Adam (origin of the Angels), but the White Moon's point state that it is in Antarctica (clearly harkening to Second Impact) and First Impact seems to state that it is, well, the Moon, you know...orbiting the Earth. I don't know the answer, so I'm defering to the greater pool of knowledge that spawned those words in the first place. Go Team!164.223.72.7 13:35, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Second Impact

Image:Secondimpact.jpg There are numerous Wiki articles that state the Second Impact took place on September 13th, when the actual date is the 15th! Quill Est Patent 15:02, 2005 September 2 (UTC)

  • Actually, it could be the 13th. The text reads: "Two days after fall of the meteorite, on September 15th, 2000..." This can be interpreted two ways. The events described either took place two days after the 15th, or that the 15th was two days after the impact. I'll leave it as the 13th in the article, though it could be reworded to say that it took place on the 13th or 15th, depending on interpretation. EASports 04:26, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
It is the 13th. In the Director's cut, at least, it is made clear that Gendo leaves on the eleventh and that an experiment is planned on the thirteenth. Even in that picture on the right, the very first line says it happened on the thirteenth. Obsidian-fox 06:01, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
You're right, I didn't notice the earlier line. EASports

The main article says that the second impact rock was too small to be detected, yet the image (see right) describes it as bein "Massive". Any thoughts?

The image also notes that it was four inches in diameter, traveling at close to the speed of light. An object like that would have massive amounts of kinetic energy; maybe that's what they meant. EASports 22:44, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Lance of Longinus

[edit] Latin Lance

Where in the series was the Lance of Longinus referred to as "Lancia Longina"? I wasn't able to find it. The search for the above on Google returned only two results: this Wikipedia page and the Chinese version of this page.

I checked right now the original DVD, and yes you're right. I was fooled by the fact that in the original japanese version is just called Spear of Longinus, but the italian translation made it look like the Latin form, tansorfming it into Lancia Longinus, which is wrong.
My bad, I corrected the mistake on the page. If you wish to see the transcript, though, here is the link:
http://www.google.com/search?q=longini+site%3Aanimanga.com%2Fscripts%2Ftextesgb&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial
By the way, KOSAKI Hiroko wrote it into the corrected form Lancea Longini, not the original one.
Federico Pistono 10:20, 2005 September 12 (UTC)

"soul" and "mind" are intense areas of debate in philosophy and psychology, and I don't think using the words "soulless" and "mindless" here means anything at all unless expanded upon, and no, using quote marks doesn't make using them any more valid. Also, a lot of stuff on this page is taken from websites and Gainax released material, since they cannot be inferred from the series, so why isn't anyone bothering to cite the sources?

The MAGI computer is named as "Casper" but the traditional name is "Caspar". Does the series itself make this "mistake"? Should a reference be made, like linking to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caspar ?

The series indeed refers to the MAGI unit as "Caspar". It seems to be a pretty common error by fans (and, occasionally, "official" sources). I'm changing it. The Trashman 00:06, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
Sorry, just checked image search, found this http://www.jasms.de/anime/eva/engel/engel09_02.jpg which suggests the series did get it wrong. I guess we should change the name of the "Caspar" link but keep it pointing to the Caspar article. As this is a source of obvious confusion it perhaps deserves a special clarification.

[edit] Role of Lance

In The Beginning and the End, or Knocking on Heaven's Door, Commander Ikari says essentially that the Lance is a hindrance to his plans. The article currently reads "The Lance is a key piece to the process of Instrumentality." Hackwrench 05:28, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Trench of Malebolge?

Where in the series or movies did this term crop up? I wasn't able to find it, myself, and a search on Google returned nothing related to Evangelion (besides the websites that mirror here - the search string I typed was "Trench of Malebolge" -glossary and "Trench of Malebolge" -equipment where the word glossary and equipment was given the NOT operator because it was completely unrelated to the trench except that it appears on this page). Also, it does not feature in the glossaries from the official Death & Rebirth program booklets nor The End of Evangelion program book. -Anon

I originally removed it from the glossary as it was only a title, but then someone re-added it with a tiny meaningless description so I left it. I believe that it should be removed from the page. --cheese-cube 10:43, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
Agreed. It's now removed. -Anon
It's mentioned in episode 22 at least. Eva-00 passes the 6th Malebolgia on the way down to retrieve the lance. EASports 06:56, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
Also mentioned in episode 24, as Evas 01 and 02 descend to Terminal Dogma.

[edit] Prog Knife clear-up

The original words were:

It works by vibrating at an extremely high frequency which allows it to separate the bonds between the atoms that make up an object. Therefore it can cut with ease through any substance, save those that are extremely dense.

My edit was:

It works by vibrating particles at an extremely high frequency, which allows it to slice an object at the "molecular level". It has barely any effect, however, on the AT-Fields of angels.

My reasons for adding "particles" into it was because that is exactly what is stated in the official glossaries for the movies. And although it is stated that it works at the "molecular level", it is still uncertain whether this means able to break the intramolecular bonds between atoms in a molecule, which is what the original can suggest, or break the intermolecular bonds between molecules in an object, but not the intramolecular bonds. (It would help if someone can tell me what "at the molecular level" specifically means. My english grammar is not foolproof.) From the footage we are given, I don't think we can see any chemical reactions occuring on the sliced surface, so who knows? The statement of the prog knife having little effect on the AT-Fields is shown in the series, for example, by Shinji's knife accidentally hitting Kaworu's field, and not penetrating it. The AT-Fields can only be penetrated by the lance or if it is weakened/neautralised with the Evangelion's anti-AT-Field. I removed "it can cut with ease through any substance, save those that are extremely dense" because I don't see where this information comes from. If good evidence can be brought forth, it may be put back in.

If these reasons are valid and correct, I would like the edit unreverted with your permission, Rowan_Moore. -Anon

Your reasoning is pretty solid. You may go ahead and make the edit. --cheese-cube 09:15, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
Thank you. It has been unreverted. -Anon

It makes more sense and it sounds better. Nice job.

Wait a minute - Eva 01 or 02 (can't remember which one) uses a prog knife to cut through Sahaquiel's AT field. EASports 06:55, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Yes, they actually cut throught it, but remember the Field was weakenned due to the contact with the three Eva's Fields. It is stated that the knife can cut throught a Field under this cirunstances, so the statement is still correct. ~Nih 03:43, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
Maybe one could assume that the Prog Knife acts as a focus for the anti-AT field capability of EVAs as it is used in that way, i.e. piercing through the AT-field; in most animes weapons that have a 'strong bond' with its wearer are more powerful then generic weapons (simplified swords are always more powerful then bullets since the sword is directly powered by the wearers soul/mental strength)

[edit] LCL

I think we need confirmation on whether LCL stands for "Link Connection Liquid" or not. The article says Gainax stated that the "Link Connection Liquid" name was false, but a translation of the Red Cross Book [1] which was created by Gainax says otherwise. Now, either the person that made the claim that Gainax said it wasn't true is wrong or this translation is wrong. Until we can clear this up I'm going to remove the first sentence. If anyone has any information on this subject please share it here. NotSuper 21:30, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

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On another point regarding the LCL entry, I am changing the line which says "The LCL fluid may also be compared to the amniotic fluid in the mother's womb (even though amniotic fluid is not breathable)". While amniotic fluid may not be "breathable" in the strictest sense of supplying oxygen to the lungs which would respirate it, amniotic fluid is indeed respirated in and out of the lungs during fetal development. (forgot to add sig) Tenmiles 01:24, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

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Maybe as an interesting sidenote a link to Perflubron could be given. It is reasonable to assume a conscious human would taste blood in such environment too.


QUESTION: If "Link Connection Liquid" or "Link Connect Liquid" is not an official name or translation (correct me if I'm wrong)....then from a legal, copyright status, could other shows use the term "Link Connection Liquid" without getting sued by Gainax? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 130.64.137.195 (talk • contribs).

[edit] AT Field

Can anyone please give me an example of where an "Absolute Terror Field" would be used in the context of real-life psychology, let alone outside of the context of Evangelion? The Trashman 00:00, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

This is all I was able to find on "absolute terror field" and "psychiatry." Ten hits. Ten. The tenth one isn't even distinct enough for Google to deem it important enough to be shown. I will now modify the text accordingly.--Rmky87 06:45, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
This strongly depends how literal one takes the concept of AT-field since there is no proof of any kind of soul energy/psychic force materializing in the physical world.


"the N² Mine used against the seventh Angel, Israfel," - It could be argued that Israfel may have not had it's AT Field up. It appears they can put them up/down just like an Eva. For example, Unit 01 didn't have a problem getting near Sachiel right after it went berserk. After that point Sachiel most likely put up it's AT Field for protection. There is no real proof a N² Mine can get through an AT Field. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.92.235.178 (talk • contribs) .

[edit] Nagano?

Can we find a source about Tokyo-2 being where the city of Nagano is today? A source for Tokyo-3/Hakone might be nice, too, but that's a little more obvious, from maps and such. --King of All the Franks 08:09, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] N2 mine strength

It sure doesn't appear to be nearly as strong as even one megaton. How close were Shinji and Misato to the nuke during the first drop in the anime? I can't imagine it being more than 50 kilotons. Obsidian-fox 20:54, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

The strength of the mines can be debated, but we know that a single mine can cause some surface damage to an Angel, and 992 can disrupt a Sea of Dirac. Without looking at the episode in question, I would estimate that Capt. Katsuragi and the Third Child were "close enough". I suppose it depends somewhat on the geography of the area. Sachiel doesn't seem to be very close to the city proper when the mine is used. --King of All the Franks 07:53, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
For what it's worth, an N2 mine was also used against Israfel; it apparently burned off about 28% of the Angel's surface. --King of All the Franks 09:18, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
If Capt. Katsuragi and Shinji were within a range where they could see a clear profile for the angel (as I believe they were), then the explosive cannot be nearing a megaton. Sachiel was clearly under 40 meters in height. If it took a 5-degree arc on their vision, then the angel would be under 500 meters away; for a 2-degree arc, the range is at most a kilometer. A 20-kiloton bomb would be clearly felt at kilometer, but wouldn't be deadly. However, for a 1-megaton bomb, one kilometer would still be near the center of the destructive radius. ([2]),
As another measure, consider that the positron cannon drew 180 GW (IIRC), used to fire tiny anti-matter particles through the AT-field. (180 GW, by the way, is the equivalent of circa 180 nuclear power plants as constructed in 2005... it's nothing to scoff at.) At best, the beam itself focused few terajoules of energy (at 2 Terajoules every 11 seconds) at a relatively low power output on a relatively small area of the target. Now, a 20-kiloton bomb is 80 Terajoules of energy in a fraction of a second... any given 12-degree cone focused at close range over the target would blast a total 1/900th that energy, or 90 Gigajoules... far more than a few thousand blows from a 40m superhuman mecha, but not enough to destroy the target. Relatively, a 1-megaton bomb would focus 50x as much energy, or 4.5 Terajoules of energy into that 12-degree cone -- an amount surpassing the positron cannon later utilized in taking out an angel with a 'remarkably' strong AT field (Ramiel, whose AT-field was visible to the naked eye).
For these reasons, I find it extremely difficult to accept that the N2 mine is equivalent to a hydrogen-bomb. It's definitely equivalent to the early fission bombs (15 kilotons = Hiroshima, 20 kilotons = Nagasaki), but saying it is well over 100 kilotons, much less 1-megaton, doesn't seem plausible. It is hard to accept that the bomb is even 50 kilotons in the anime. -- Obsidian-fox 12:43, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
Oh... and I suggest we avoid focusing on the AT-field strength and the angel's resilience to damage as a means to measure nuclear weapon strength, even in the article. The comment about how the damage the angel suffers somehow "suggests" the amount power of the bomb isn't scientific. (As a side-note, however, one can run a super-human mechanoid creature at 40m tall that can do almost everything those Evangelions can do (minus regeneration and other mystic weirdness) with about 150 MW energy... or about 3/4 the energy of an aircraft carrier). --Obsidian-fox 13:03, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
I agree with your conclusion, and your math sounds alright, but we shouldn't describe the mines' strength with original research. I highly doubt that Gainax would ever take the time to work out just how powerful an N2 mine really is, so I think we should just discuss their power in the context of their effects in the NGE universe. --King of All the Franks 08:29, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
I agree that the Wikipedia isn't a place for orignal research (though the discussion pages aren't a bad place for it). However, noting dissonance between what might have been -said- canonically (strong as a hydrogen bomb, though I'm not sure where that was said) and what is actually -shown- canonically (no stronger than a fission bomb) is quite reasonable. In truth, what is shown and what is said have equal standing as part of canon; dismissing one in favor of the other is always an error. Any dissonance is, itself, something that can be useful to note.
What's the source for the 1-megaton number? Or the "strong as an H-bomb" comment? I think I'd like to go confirm those. Obsidian-fox 09:00, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
I don't know, but I will remove it from the article until it can be verified (or if it can). --King of All the Franks 09:35, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] N2 Power

Image:Sachiel_Rangefinder.png

Okay, I just checked out the first episode again. My earlier estimate for Sachiel is consistent with all shown evidence. Sachiel is about 40 meters tall, maybe 12 meter shoulder width - these are based on size comparison to weapons, footprints, buildings, and vehicles. Immediately prior to dropping the N2 mine, Sachiel is seen through Misato's range-finder military binoculars. Shoulder width was 0.5 degrees, and height (though not entirely seen) was estimated at about 1.5 degrees. (In range finders, those big ticks are degrees.) That gives an estimated range of circa 12m/sin(0.5) or 40m/sin(1.5) Thus, Sachiel is 1400-1500 meters away at the time of viewing and explosion. The explosion was also shielded by the presence of the massive mountain and the fact that it was a ground-burst - both of which would shield Misato and Shinji to a degree.

Even for a shielded 20 kiloton blast (Nagasaki size) you'd expect them to be tossed around, ears popping, flying debris would be killer, etc. Fortunately, they'd be protected from the -flash- damage of the thermal radiation by the mountain itself, and they'd possibly survive (but there'd be a huge risk they'd die.) The bomb could be weaker (as few as 15 kilotons wouldn't be inconceivable) or a bit stronger (though 30 kilotons would be pushing plausibility). I can, with complete confidence, assert that the bombs are in the 10-50 kiloton range. It is impossible that these weapons are comparable to hydrogen bombs. --Obsidian-fox 08:54, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Xylix - your comments have been moved to my talk page. Your ultimate conclusion is the same as my own, but it is obfuscated by the querelous tone in which you offer your argument. (For those of you just reading, Xylix's argument amounts to: "Even if Sachiel was a lot bigger, and therefore a lot further, he'd still be too close for them to be equal to a 1-megaton H-bomb due to the incredible power of such weapons." However, he presents this in a manner that distracts severely from his own main point and my own, especially since there isn't any reason to believe Sachiel is 'a lot bigger'; evidence supports only the 'roughly 40 meter' estimate.) --Obsidian-fox 19:16, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
I know it's not very scientific of my part, and I'm not bringing in any useful data, but isn't it possible that Sachiel's AT-Shield have considerably lowered the bomb's effect? I mean, it is said that it was a straight-hit, so it's possible that the Shield could've 'softened' the explosion itself along with the radiation itself. Summed to the mountain's 'shelter', we can accept that Shinji and Misato suffered lowered bomb effects from their position. Just my theory. ~Nih 03:01, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
That really depends on location of detonation. For it to have any effect on the power Shinji and Misato experienced then Sachiel would have to directly shield them from it. They'd need to be in Sachiel's shadow per say. Even then, a blast wave doesn't flow in a direct straight line. It adjusts and flows around obstacles (just like a flow of water). As such, any shadow would be mostly reduced to nothing anyway before the blast wave reached Shinji and Misato. --Xylix 16:50, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
They were highly protected from the radiation by the mountain. A 20-kiloton bomb's radiation would have given 3rd degree and worse burns to all exposed parts of the body, and would have damaged both them and the car some more with the blast wave... and likely ignited the car cushions. However, all it takes is a large, hard body (like a mountain) to block all the thermal radiation. Plus the mountain directs a lot of blast energy to the sky. That is, the 10-30 kiloton estimate is ALREADY including the fact that much damage was shielded; otherwise the estimate would need to be much, much lower. The 30 kilton is truly an upper limit, at the upper edge of plausibility. (Don't forget: Nagasaki and Hiroshima bombs were in the 10-20 kilton range... more than sufficient to tear apart much of a city. It's easy to forget this when faced with modern bombs measuring in Megatons, which is disgustingly overpowered.) --Obsidian-fox 17:02, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
Has anybody considered that the mine might have a shaped detonation patern (a directional blast) rather than a conventional round airblast. Or that the mine might have been an actual mine and exploded underneath the guy's feet, in wich case the explosive force would have been directed upwards rather than outwards.

Just a few ideas.

[edit] N2 Anti-Air Missiles

In Episode 12, there was a mention of "N² Anti-Air Missiles," then a shot of several dozen fireballs against Sahaqiel. Are these the same as the N² explosives were so familiar with? The Gwai Lo 01:04, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
No, they are not. Bombs go down, missiles go up.
They might, however, use the same essential explosive component, likely in smaller quantities if you can actually SEE a dozen fireballs and still see Sahaqiel. (Admittedly, Sahaqiel is a lot larger than Sachiel.)
For a moment there I was confusing Sahaqiel and Sachiel. (Same sounds...). I'll check out the episode in question and make additional comments. --Obsidian-fox 19:01, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Image:N2_Aerial_Mines.png

Okay, as I expected, these things are apparently a lot weaker than the N2 bomb. (The reason UP vs. DOWN is important is the cost of sending a payload UP is very high, and, hence, the payload is usually smaller.) An N2 weapon the size dropped on Sachiel would have, at the very least, created a fireball capable of enveloping much of Sahaqiel. (If Misato and Shinji could feel it as they did from 1.5 km, it had to be at least 10 kilotons.) For a nuclear weapon there wouldn't be a real "fireball" in space... just a powerful flash. Of course, these are non-nuclear...
The mines seem to have triggered/been destroyed far before they reached him, and since he was also able to destroy the sattelite, he might have been able to destroy those mines before they reached him.
But, yes, I'll agree we can count these warheads as N2 mines. I would prefer you use the "at least" approach rather than the "as many as" approach, though. Count the explosions in that picture. --Obsidian-fox 22:50, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] S² Engine

In the S² engine section and (originally) in the NERV-02 section, it uses the word "wanished." I thought this was just a typo and was supposed to be the word "vanished" when I saw it the first time, but it seems weird that someone would make the same typo twice, especially since the two letters aren't close to each other on the keyboard. So did I miss something in the show and is it really supposed to be "wanished"? Mred64 18:32, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Well, I could check the episode, but, honestly, "wanished" isn't an English word, and it should not be sitting around on en.wikipedia.org. It might be a bit of Engrish. I dunno. Anyone remember the episode number? --Obsidian-fox 23:12, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, that's what I thought and I just changed the w to v in both cases. It just seemed weird that someone would make that typo twice, since w and v are not close to each other on the keyboard. Mred64 23:30, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Anti-AT fields

Spoiler warning: Plot and/or ending details follow.

the whole point of the END OF EVANGELION was that gendo failed to cause the third impact on his own terms (by inserting adam into lilith, so that he could see Yui) - this is seen when Rei cuts him off half-way through the insertion of adam.

instead, seele started the third impact by using the s2 engines in Eva-01 and the production model Evas. if you watch the movie, they actually mention that the anti-AT field is being generated by the Evas.

then rei returns to lilith and helps shinji to define reality and make his decision about whether he wants humanity to be together or separate. --Cwiddofer 17:32, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Chamber of Guf?

I can't remember anything about this. What that the name of the place where they kept all the spare Reis? -HKMARKS 19:00, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

The ZX fansubbed release notes it as 'The Room of Gauf', Chamber of Guf could be a correct translation as well. crashmatrix 06:59, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
This is possibly in relation to 'Well of Souls' —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.82.164.47 (talk • contribs) .

[edit] A10 clips

Considering how important the A10 nerve clips are to controlling the Evas, they should probably be included in this list. Willbyr (talk | contribs) 02:22, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

I don't think enough is known about the A10 nerve connection to actually add a substantial amount of information, just noting it's important because it is shown to be a bottleneck in the series doesn't justify adding it. crashmatrix 06:50, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
If you have a good source for information on them, I say by all means add them. I didn't even know what they were called, I thought they were just there to make the girls look like cats. -HKMARKS 03:55, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Plug suits

The equipment list could probably use an entry about the plug suits. Willbyr (talk | contribs) 21:21, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

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