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Contents 1 Periodization 2 Revolution links 3 Iceman 4 Choirokoitia 5 Wild crops? 6 Neolithic Religion 7 Images 8 Tillage 9 Artifact/Artefact 10 which epoch for Epipalaeolithic period?

[edit] Periodization

I realize there is no exact answer, but is it possible to put approximate times on this period? For example, "from more than ??000 A.D. to around ?000 A.D."? It may give people a better sense of the time frame. Go to infierno

[edit] Revolution links

Shouldn't the "revolution links" go to "neolithic revolution? --Yak 14:36, 31 Jul 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Iceman

• "ended when metal tools came into widespread use in the Copper Age"
• "Neolithic individuals included Ötzi the Iceman."

As the Iceman had a copper axe and had been near a copper smelting furnace, why is he a Neolithic individual? The problem seems to be that his discovery has pushed the copper age earlier, to before (3300 BC), for central Europe, than older text books state was the start of the copper age in that region. Philip Baird Shearer 00:25, 18 Sep 2004 (UTC)

I think '...widespread use' is the key term; the Three age system approach is at best a generalisation and can be picked apart until the cows come home. I'm sure User:Yak will know what the current thinking is on dating the end of the Neolithic in Central Europe. adamsan

[edit] Choirokoitia

Could it be possible to place in the chronology of the neolithic ages , the siite of Choirokoitia , in Cyprus Island . This site , for it seems to be the testimony of the expansion to the west of that neolithic civilization pre ceramic from Asia , has been inscripted to the " World Heritage " by the UNESCO as you can see following this link . http://whc.unesco.org/pg.cfm?cid=31&id_site=848

docaubrac@wanadoo.fr

Hi docaubrac. Do please write an article on Choirokoitia if you like, it is a very important site and deserves a page of its own. Then we can link to it from here. adamsan 22:02, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

I have created an article Choirokoitia. It is just a beginning, with text translated from the German and Dutch wikipedia. Since I'm not an expert, this is all I could do. Feel free to add your knowledge! (and correct my errors since English is not my native language) NielsF 22:08, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Niels, I've made some minor copyedits to your additions. Needs further expansion.--cjllw | TALK 01:42, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wild crops?

The current introduction says that a characteristic of neolithic is the use of wild or domestic crops. The word crop is linked to agriculture. This seems to be a contradiction. Agriculture concerns domesticated plants, not wild plants. --Etxrge 13:36, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Neolithic Religion

Should Neolithic Religion be moved to a seperate article? Ghelae 09:58, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
Moved it ages ago, forgot to update. - Ghelae^talk_contribs 20:55, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Images

I've just uploaded some free content on Commons, so you can have a look here if you want to illustrate this article.

Regards. :-) Manchot 14:55, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Hey thanks, Manchot, some of those imgs are now included in the article. Cheers, --cjllw | TALK 01:37, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tillage

"The domestication of animals, either as draught animals or as a food source... Animal labour (for example, oxen) could greatly improve the efficiency of land tillage."

I think the ground was cultivated by mattocks in the Stone Age. Arable instruments are metal usually. However I am not assured. The same in The Neolithic Revolution: "The animal’s ability as a worker (for example ploughing or towing)" —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.19.181.92 (talk • contribs) 28 Feb 2006.

A good point anon, although forms of ploughs constructed purely of wood are attested. It still bears further examination, however.--cjllw | TALK 01:44, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

From a programme about Iran on BBC4 on 7 March 2006, apparently ploughs constructed purely of wood are still in use, but increasing access to new technology means that they now can use power drills rather than just hand tools in constructing the wooden plough. ...dave souza, talk 02:31, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Artifact/Artefact

Hello - I couldn't help noticing a tension over the spelling of this word. The Concise Oxford Dictionary lists 'artefact' as the main entry, with 'artifact' as a 'variant'. As the word is actually derived from Latin (arte - the ablative form of ars), the 'e' form would appear to have greater logic. Is this any help? BTW - WP uses the reverse hierarchy, so there could be an argument for swapping the 'main' & 'rediect' pages? - Ballista 04:52, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] which epoch for Epipalaeolithic period?

paragraph 2 reads in part

The Neolithic era follows the terminal Pleistocene Epipalaeolithic and early Holocene Mesolithic periods

paragraph 1 of the entry for Epipalaeolithic reads

The Epipaleolithic or Mesolithic was a period in the development of human technology that precedes the Neolithic period of the Stone Age. It is preferred as an alternative to Mesolithic in areas with limited glacial impact. The period began at the end of the Pleistocene epoch around 10,000 years ago and ended with the introduction of farming around 8,000 years ago.

I don't know which is correct.

the Entry agrees with the graphic here, perhaps paragraph 2 should read something like

The Neolithic period is the second period of the Holocene epoch, following the Mesolithic or Epipalaeolithic period.

but for all I know, the Entry and graphic are wrong.

24.3.56.115 21:59, 5 November 2006 (UTC)