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[edit] Lede
What is the lede talking about? The requirement for the priest and witnesses was added by the decree Tametsi, at the Council of Trent. At the very least, the lede is misleading. Goldfritha 04:02, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
- I too find it very misleading. Ne Temere was actually a step forward, in that it provided for the universal recognition of marriages between two Protestants. Prior to Ne Temere, this recognition varied depending on which diocese the marriage took place in. All the requirements/etc. that the article mentions were already in place. -- Cat Whisperer 23:45, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
- I had a chance to whack at the worst of it today. If you see anything I missed -- Goldfritha 00:09, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Ireland
This article is about Ne Temere. It is not about Irish Catholic-Protestant conflicts. It is wildly unsuitable for information about such conflicts that is only tangently related to the decree -- especially as the stuff introduced was rather uninformed about Catholic canon law, and attributing to the decree the provisions of other laws. It should never have be put here in the first place. Goldfritha 23:15, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
- Ne Temere is used to promote or ensure compliance with other canon law. The Fethard-on-Sea incident was caused by a Ne Temere agreement. In Northern Ireland it widened the sectarian divide [1]. It was a major issue in Canada, especially Quebec [2]. I personally have encountered it in two other countries (it is not applied in the same way in all locations), and know others affected elsewhere. As for "Curiously, Protestants who marry other Protestants in a Protestant Church, and then divorce, would still need an annulment if they then wished to marry a Roman Catholic in a Catholic Church" - this is the effect of X.3 of Ne Temere where "Non-Catholics, whether baptized or unbaptized, if they marry among themselves, are in no way bound to observe the Catholic form of betrothal or marriage" means that the Catholic Church regards the earlier marriage as valid [3] - again I personally know people who have been in this bizarre position. --Henrygb 09:49, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
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- So what about the compliance or the cause? That does not make this a suitable argument for discussing those, anymore than it would be suitable to the Fifth Amendment article to put in a lengthy description of a criminal's rapes, murders, and assaults on the grounds that he was released for a failure to read the Miranda warning.
- Furthermore, in an article about the decree, you should not be talking about the effect of X.3, but about X.3 itself. I will rephrase that into the proper format. Goldfritha 23:36, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
