User talk:NCurse/Archive5

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Contents 1 TS Nom is up 2 Protests links on 2008 RNC page 3 {{Welcomeip}} 4 Esperanza Admin coaching - October 29 5 Edit day 6 MinnesotaLindy and SwingMonkey deletions 7 stubs and quick deletes 8 Admin coaching 9 Chess game 9.1 Deletes 9.2 Strip Clubs 10 WP:MED 11 Template 12 E 13 RfA 14 Admin coaching - November 4 - New recruits 15 Gipsy Hill - Edits reverted 16 Borat 17 SCOTM 18 November Esperanza Newsletter 19 Articles you might like to edit, from SuggestBot 20 MRSA 21 Cikkértékelés 22 Survey Q 23 RfA thanks 24 Bibó István proclamation dispute 25 RfA thanks 26 56 needs help again 27 stevenfruitsmaak on WikiBreak 28 For Freedom and Truth, public domain? 29 Döglődés 30 Pleas be carefull.. 31 blacklist 32 Portál téma 33 Fordítás 34 Revert 35 Bibó

[edit] TS Nom is up

The nom is up at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Tourette syndrome; now we've got to watch it as well as Treatment of Tourette syndrome, Sociological and cultural aspects of Tourette syndrome, coprolalia, palilalia, echolalia and just about everything in the TS template :-) Hopefully it won't be as bad as I fear! Sandy (Talk) 20:07, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Protests links on 2008 RNC page

Since you were very helpful before, can you tell me if I'm correct in my deletions from the 2008 RNC page? There's some discussion in the talk page about it. Thanks! ~ Shawn 17:18, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] {{Welcomeip}}

Thank you for fixing that part, but you didn't finish it. There are two my talk pages. You have to fix both of them. The one that you fixed only matters when you do not tell which talk page it should be on. The one that you didn't is what shows when you do fill in the field for talk page...

it is...

{{#if:{{{1|}}}|[[user talk:{{{1}}}|my Talk page]]|my talk page}}

it needs to be...

{{#if:{{{1|}}}|[[user talk:{{{1}}}|my talk page]]|my talk page}}

I'm sorry if this sounds picky but it gets placed on many pages and doesn't look right. Thank you in advance. Cbrown1023 23:46, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Esperanza Admin coaching - October 29

As far as I can see you are not currently assigned as a coach to anyone at Admin coaching. Are OK to receive a new trainee? Thank you for helping with admin coaching! Highway ^{Grammar Enforcer!} 22:17, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Edit day

Happy First Edit Day, NCurse/Archive5, from the Wikipedia Birthday Committee! Have a great day!

Happy edit day! Randfan 01:13, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] MinnesotaLindy and SwingMonkey deletions

Both of these sites were listed as stubs and both of them refer to websites that support real-live communities. These communities co-exist both on and offline. You "speed deleted" them and this seems like a breech of ethics. Both of these sites were *stubs* and had not yet been fleshed out to document the scenes which they support. They were just blown away without due course of discussion as to their relevance, notability, and whatever other wikipedia buzzword you need satisfied to declare a niche piece of the world worthy to place on the great wikipedia. They weren't done yet, of course they hadn't yet asserted their importance or significance -- that's why they were both *stubs*. Yes, both pages made Wikipedia a better place. Are you really the right person to judge that these qualify as "speedy deletions"?

[edit] stubs and quick deletes

Hi , On friday I started a stub on the wollesack company as I noticed that it was a red link in at least two places, and included an external link to where someone could re-right more information on the firm. They were a major maker of Lenes and stuff, and also the foundation of 3m Tape recorder business. I have found that starting a stub is a great way of encouraging folks to "be Bold"

I did not think that Speedy delete applied to an atricle that was listed in an article by someone else. I did not have a chance to write a long article while also cross cheking sources. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Cmacd123 (talk • contribs).

Wollensak cmacd 02:14, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Admin coaching

It's my pleasure that you are agreed to coach me. Please suggest me, how should I start? Please make all the suggestions at a common place: User:Shyam Bihari/Admin coaching which is created recently. Regards, Shyam ^(T/C) 02:39, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Has coaching began? If so, is it alright for me to move Shyam's section to the Active area of the box? Help yourself by helping your co-ordinator, move your note in the box, yourself! :D Highway ^{Grammar Enforcer!} 17:04, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Chess game

I'm inviting you to play with me over at the Coffee Lounge. I moved already, but my original choice for an opponent, Coredesat (talk • contribs • blocks • protects • deletions • moves), declined my favour. If you're interested, let me know on my talk page. Good luck! --Slgr@ndson (page - messages - contribs) 20:05, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Every time I make a move (I already have), it'll be your turn. If you have time, feel free to move away. --Slgr@ndson (page - messages - contribs) 21:24, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Deletes

Why are you deleting my updates to the two dollar page? I have seen this in person and adds value to to the page. Here is my post:

[edit] Strip Clubs

Some strip clubs give change in two dollar bills so that the dancers receive more then the usual dollar in the g-string.

[edit] WP:MED

not a problem, will start a tag run soon. Can I make a request though? next time link to the cat by useing [[:category:foo]]. thanks Betacommand ^{(talk • contribs • Bot)} 19:57, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

tagging Done. Betacommand ^{(talk • contribs • Bot)} 21:08, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Can an article be supported by 2 projects, e.g. Talk:Gene_therapy? --apers0n 11:07, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Template

Hi!

I'm Hungarian, but this is an english site, so i'll write in english. Please see your Hungarian user talk, because i wrote to it. bggergo

[edit] E

Quite simple really:
[[Wikipedia:Esperanza|<font color="green">e</font>]]
Whispering 23:19, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] RfA

Hello Ncurse, I accept my RfA nomination. Thanks for making a well-written and balanced nomination. I am very thankful to you to get coached by you. Shyam ^(T/C) 21:20, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Would you like a new coach NCurse? Highway ^{Grammar Enforcer!} 22:26, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for correcting me. It seems to be going fine :) Shyam ^(T/C) 12:03, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Admin coaching - November 4 - New recruits

Your new student is VodkaJazz (talk • contribs). Once coaching has begun, please move your note to the Active section. Cheers, Highway ^{Grammar Enforcer!} 09:51, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Subpage is set up. I'm sure this will be a fruitful collaboration! _└ ^VodkaJazz / _talk ^┐ 11:34, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

I posted a further comment to Q11 on my subpage. Thanks. _└ ^VodkaJazz / _talk ^┐ 21:56, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Gipsy Hill - Edits reverted

Why have you reverted the Gipsy Hill article to a User:Regan123 version? Alec - U.K. 16:07, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Your reply seens to contain what I would call nonsence but I expect that is because english is not your mother tongue. However, I do understand that is accuses me of removing links from the Gipsy Hill article. I disagree. As far as I know, I have not removed any links from the Gipsy Hill article. Why did you think I had? Alec - U.K. 16:21, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

I think you have reinstated or reversed a revert that I have made to in the Gipsy Hill article. It was a revert of edits made by Regan123. Alec - U.K. 16:55, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Borat

Hi, can I help you? Chris 19:11, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Pardon? You add nonsense or unnecessary internal links to the articles, create nonsense talk page messages, it's considered vandalism. Please be constructive. NCurse _work 19:13, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] SCOTM

I think you can remove Alzheimer's from the Science Collaboration of the Month nomination list. We have a pretty solid article esp with the recent editorial help we have had. --Chrispounds 19:57, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] November Esperanza Newsletter

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[edit] MRSA

Hi, NCurse ... I'm traveling, and don't have continuous internet access: would you be able to look at this message on my talk page? I'm not sure what Lucifer means by tagging and thought you would know. Thanks ! Sandy (Talk) 15:46, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Hmm you sure this is mid importance? It's had a lot of coverage in the media in the UK for the last 2-3 years because a lot of people are contracting it. Thanks to Sandy by the way (and you too). LuciferMorgan 22:42, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cikkértékelés

Szia! Jó lenne, ha ránéznél egy kicsit a magyar wikire, mert megvan a cikkértékelő program kódja, most már csak a megfelelő magyar kifejezések hiányoznak, nélkülük viszont nem lehet semmit csinálni. --bDaneE 12:38, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Survey Q

Have you ever been to the southern hemisphere? respond here Deadline is December 15th. AstroBoy 02:07, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] RfA thanks

Hello Bertalan Meskó, I am unable to express thanks in words for your effort. You well-trained me about the tools, nominated in very well suited manner, kept your eye on my RfA page full time, tried to match the tally of !vote counts whenever required. Because of your tremendous effort, I am owning admin tools. Thank you so much, Shyam ^(T/C) 07:03, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bibó István proclamation dispute

Hello NCurse, Could you please resolve a dispute on the Bibó István proclamation text page For Freedom and Truth. You can check the history to see that another user has tried to pull it down, first with a tag that claimed it was "not appropriate for wikisource" (and removing the article) and after my reversion, claiming that it is copyvio, requiring an admin's resolution. The user makes no explanation on the talk page. I can explain (and I will) that the text is Columbia Press' translation (hence valid and verifiable) of an open proclamation (nobody holds its copyright) addressed to the public. I suppose one must know a bit of history (perhaps the user should be invited to read the 56 article) to know how it all fits together but could you please browse by for a moment - I dont want to start a disruptive spat, and I think this is a quick resolve. Thanks in advance Istvan 15:45, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

The original may be in the public domain, but that is no reason why Columbia Press' translation is not. Derivities of works in the public domain (like translations) can be copyrighted. --Benn Newman 16:34, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Okay, here are a couple of other sources for the same text -

(1) Irodalmi Újság, Paris Nov-Dec 1979 (in Hungarian)

(2) New York Herald Tribune, November 12, 1956 pp 1 and 10. (in English)

who holds copyright? Mr. Bibó, Columbia Press, the French/Hungarian newspaper, the Herald Tribune, the Hungarian Government? If the text were now translated anew from the original (the original signed facimile appeared in ref (1) would that not then preserve public domain? (I would gladly do it) Istvan 17:12, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

That works if you put it in the public domain and the original is in the public domain to begin with. Being published by the mass media does not automatically mean it is public domain. It should be added to Wikisource, not Wikipedia, though. --Benn Newman 18:52, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

OK, perhaps we have a way forward now. NCurse, your thoughts? I am happy to xlate it from the original facsimile, to list three sources for it, and to put it into Wikipedia (someone in Wikisource is free to put it there too). I strongly believe it is worthy of Wikipedia because the text is also a very important distillation of an historical event, and the story behind it also counts as such. NCurse, your thoughts? István 20:25, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] RfA thanks

Thank you for the extra feathers on my wings! Thank you so much, NCurse, for your support in my RfA, which passed on November 11, 2006, with a final tally of 82/0/2. I am humbled by the kind support of so many fellow Wikipedians, and I vow to continue to work and improve with the help of these new tools. Should you have any request, do not hesitate to contact me. Best regards, Húsönd 20:56, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for the congrats. :-) Best regards.--Húsönd 16:02, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 56 needs help again

in the last few days we've had a lot of vandalism on the 56 article by IP users. Would a partial protection of that article (blocking IP accounts) be advisable? It's a real pain to have to clean up all that garbage, especially since we managed to write such a good article. Anything you can do? Is it even advisable?K. Lastochka 15:48, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] stevenfruitsmaak on WikiBreak

Hi,

I haven't studied much this semester and as a consequence, I'm leaving Pedia until February. I hope you find time to keep the Portal up to featured standards: I've reverted two vandals in 2 days so a close eye is really needed. If you don't have the time yourself, I suggest you contact WP:MED, WP:CLINMED and WP:PCM to find another sidekick for you!

Good luck --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 18:12, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] For Freedom and Truth, public domain?

It is automaticly. Translations of public domain works are automaticly in the public domain. It is grounded on the same workings as copyrighted material; the translation of a copyright material belongs to the copyright owner of the source text, no matter who the translator is. Thus, a translation of a public domain text is also in the public domain. --OrbitOne ^[Talk|Babel] 19:17, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

No, that argument is a fallacy. The copyright holder controls the right to make derivative works (e. g., translations). Someone who makes a derivative work of something that is in the public domain might be the new copyright holder. See Wikipedia:Public domain. Translations (more often then not, I believe) contain originality. --Benn Newman 00:35, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

I disagree. Copyrights of translations of historic speeches have been through the courts time and again. Although you do have a point in regards to creative works translated, these are limited to commercial productions, such as books and plays. The translation of The speech in question, in all its forms, is in the public domain, because it is a historic event and copyrights to historic events are rejected by courts. If the speech were remade for dramatic portrayals, then it could be copyrighted. --OrbitOne ^[Talk|Babel] 11:27, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

I will also further point out, copyright law allows for fair use. Wikipedia is an educational tool, not a for-profit company. --OrbitOne ^[Talk|Babel] 11:34, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes, it may allow fair use. But of the whole text? I'm not so sure of that. Wikipedia being an educational tool and [the Wikimedia Foundation being] a non-for-profit company has nothing to do with it. Wikimedia Foundation wikis do not allow the use of non-commercial use only licenses for text, in part because there are downstream commercial uses. --Benn Newman 21:54, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Except the translation is part of a larger work, a book. The whole text isn't the whole work of an author, but a page from his/her book.

You are also incorrect when you say Wikipedias profit/non-profit situation doesn't play a role. Fair Use makes specific allowences for tools of education, such as Wikipedia. If you were to say Fair Use has nothing to do with it though, you might get somewhere, because you are heading into a dead end right now. Although there are downstream commercial uses, that doesn't mean Wikipedia is liable. I also have examples of pictures that are otherwise copyrighted featured on Wikipedia under Fair Use. The text is also credited to the correct book, which is required under Fair Use, which is a requirement that has been met. --OrbitOne ^[Talk|Babel] 20:15, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Döglődés

Második napja döglődik az Unciklopédia. Rá tudsz dörgedelmezni? OsvátA

[edit] Pleas be carefull..

Per WP:AGF ill assume it was an accident; you reverted my edits believing me to be removing content.. please double check before reverting in future, thanks ;) Matthew Fenton (talk · contribs · count · email) 22:06, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

The AfD ended on the 28th of October, The AfD message was removed in October - Must b a new bug in VP2 perhaps? Matthew Fenton (talk · contribs · count · email) 22:11, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] blacklist

Ez a halállista? :-) Kétszer is megelőztél visszaállításban. BTW ez viccesen fog hangzani, but I like doing this, its kind of a joyride :D - to say this in hunglish :) - --Vince ^{hey, yo! :-)} 22:10, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Portál téma

Hello, a vitalapodon hagytam egy segítségkérő üzenetet, ha arra jársz, légyszi vess rá egy pillantást, mert én lassan sírva fakadok, mert nem működik semmi a b*zi portálterven... DEgenerated 82.141.159.95 22:41, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fordítás

Ha nem nagy pofátlanság, mivel tudom, hogy jó angolos vagy, kérnék tőled egy egérfarknyi fordítást. Sajnos nem találtam meg magyarul az idézetet, de kerestem. Ha nagy pofátlanság, hajts el, nem sértődök meg. a szöveg: Liza, in terms of sheer talent, just oozes with it. She has sheer energy and stamina, which she gets across the stage, and the way she delivers herself to the public is a good influence. There is a lot to learn from her.

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Jimi Hendrix is very important. He’s my idol. He sort of epitomizes, from his presentation on stage, the whole works of a rock star. There’s no way you can compare him. You either have the magic or you don’t. There’s no way you can work up to it. There’s nobody who can take his place. Kösz, DEgenerated. 82.141.159.95 15:04, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Revert

Yeah, you should read before revert. 83.204.179.208 17:36, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bibó

For Freedom and Truth was deleted on 18 Nov. It seems the deleter ignored the discussion above. Could you please advise on how to resurrect the article? Could you salvage the text? thanks István 07:33, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks again. If I can do something to avoid such problems with this article in the future (and I do believe it is a bona fide wikipedia article - Im not bothered by Wikisource at all) please let me know and I will do it. István 17:00, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

I will recreate it with different sources and translate from the original myself, releasing the rights, that should settle the issue. István 20:55, 19 November 2006 (UTC)