User talk:Nat Krause/Archive5

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Contents 1 Thai MoS 2 Abhidharma 3 Prakrit 4 Phra Bhudhacharn(Toh)Promrangsi 5 Macedonians (ethnicity) 6 Arbitration for User:Theathenae 7 Green Party of the United States, page move vote 8 Ummon/Yunmen Wenyan 9 Nancy Kwan 10 User:Nat Krause 11 Richard Rose - Categories 12 Hello 13 Thank you 14 Ruhlen and Na-Dené 15 Ndonga 16 Indigenous peoples of the Americas 16.1 American Indians versus Native Americans 17 Thanks 18 Vesak 19 Prokudin-Gorskii's photo 20 The La Follettes/William LeRoy La Follette 21 Samsara 22 American Indian 23 Fuck the Border 24 American Zen Association 25 A "Spirituality" portal 26 TfD nomination of Template:Spirituality 27 Vandalism 28 economic fascism 29 The Left Hand of God 30 Wishes 31 Gong Xi Fa Cai 32 Some help 33 Please check your WP:NA entry 34 personal privacy 35 Page deletion

[edit] Thai MoS

Please visit Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (Thailand-related articles)#Cast votes 217.140.193.123 10:54, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Abhidharma

Hey Nat- I did some reorganization on the Abhidhamma page the other night and had some thoughts for structuring things with regards to abhidhamma vs. abhidharma vs. abhidhamma pitaka that I tossed on the Talk:Abhidhamma page. Thought you might be interested in taking a look. Enjoy China! --Clay Collier 11:30, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Prakrit

In reply to your "sofixit" --apparently you didn't bother to notice that I completely re-wrote the article. Thanks for your non-reply, telling me to edit the article rather than complain. I did both; and my complaints are hardly without justification. I hope I don't have to re-write the thing again, after the next generation of proud graduates to "Intro to Hindi 100" decide to reduce the article to their level of understanding.

[edit] Phra Bhudhacharn(Toh)Promrangsi

Regarding our mysterious monk- it looks like he is probably significant enough to warrant inclusion, but it may be a little difficult to dig up verifiable information about him. He is famous in Thailand mostly in connection with protective amulets- some that he created that are now highly sought after by collectors, and some contemporary ones that bear his image (common practice with powerful Thai monks). He seems also to have authored some popular protective verses, and possibly was a preceptor for a king of the Chakri dynasty. All the information on him seems to be heavily hagiographied, if that's a word. This is the sort of thing that my father-in-law might know something about; I might see if he knows anything about this particular monk.

Regarding naming the article- we're into the irregular romanization of Thai and problem that Thai monastic names are linked to ecclesiastic titles. I think that 'Somdet Toh' or 'Somdej Toh' might be the most common name by which he is referred, but I'll have to dig around a little more. Budhacharn Promrangsi sounds like an ordination name, so there should be a redirect from there. Not sure if the 'Phra' should be included or not. No need to redirect from luang pue, since that's just an affectionate honorific that can apply to any senior (typically titled) Thai monk. I'll see what other title/naming information I can find about this specific individual. --Clay Collier 02:37, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Macedonians (ethnicity)

Although I know that no rational solution to this article will ever be found, why not call it Macedonian (ethnicity) and use "ethnic Macedonians" as the default option in the text? All of the other modern people that you could describe as "Macedonians" are ethnic Greeks, ethnic Albanians, etc., etc. - Nat Krause 10:11, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

First of all, I want to acknowledge that I am an (ethnic) Macedonian, myself. (That is, to know, I am biased by default). We find the term insulting. I proposed the very same term myself, then there was a poll, which proved the obvious - there are more Greeks than Macedonians on the English Wikipedia.

However, I think I have managed to get pretty close to the problem (seen in perspective of the NPOV and the Wikipedia:Naming conflict policy, and I would like to address you here. There is a list of questions in the section below, that, unfortunately, were left unanswered. I would like to know your opinion about this. --FlavrSavr 14:21, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Arbitration for User:Theathenae

A petition for Arbitration has been brought against User:Theathenae because of his behavior in the Talk:Arvanites dispute. You can add evidence if you wish here. REX 14:40, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Green Party of the United States, page move vote

Regarding the discussion at Talk:Green Party (United States)#Merge?, I have suggested a move. Please see Talk:Green Party of the United States, and consider voting. --65.28.237.180 03:46, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Ummon/Yunmen Wenyan

Where are you getting "Yunmen Wenyan" from? And why did you not make it a redirect, and instead decided to move Ummon to it; this is not standard pratice, as Ummon is vastly more widespread in English than Yunmen Wenyan. --Maru (talk) 00:18, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

I've recently added quite a bit to Ummon, along with quite a few place-names, peoples, and documents. If you could go through and rationalize everything withn your l33t chinese skillz? --Maru (talk) 21:39, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Nancy Kwan

Can you check out Talk:Nancy Kwan?--I know you checked it before when I hadn't included my comment. Thanks. --Dpr 18:34, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] User:Nat Krause

1. Dear Sir, please continue to help me, with basketful of topics and ideas. Thanks my dear sir. --MissingLinks 16:34, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
2. Next message posted on the same day: Dear Sir, would you please tell me about archiving a page. I convey my thanks and appreciation in advance, and looking forward to your message. bye bye --MissingLinks 16:36, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
3. One more message Sir: if you feel I am not able to express and write correctly, you are most welcome to correct me. You please feel free to correct my spelling mistakes. I would never mind your "friendly" "intrusion" and "co-operation". Thank you sir, bye bye, have a nice time editing and living life with fun. --MissingLinks 16:37, 26 September 2005 (UTC) #Dear sir, I also created a stub of few words about Potawatomi Language, as this topic I found on your User Page, and you being my Guru, I was forced to copy you, that is, my ideal man. I will surely assist in commencing other stubs as desired by you. Dear sir, please do not mind. Just teach me about archiving a talk page. I thank you with flowers. I will learn wikipedia faster with ur help sir. Bye bye, with thanks. --MissingLinks 16:41, 26 September 2005 (UTC) #Surely, will see you through exchange of e-mails, and try to go deep inside your mind to draw inspiration from there. I hope this penetration will not disturb the grey matter. May Gautam Buddha give me some light. I also created The Light of Asia. Please send me message, I feel alone. --MissingLinks 16:41, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Richard Rose - Categories

Nat, I'm new here and had asked other posters whether having 3 in the Esoteric category was redundant. I'd really appreciate an explanation of your deletion of Zen and Esotericism from the Categories on Richard Rose. These are certainly not spurious - Rose was very much more one of these than a Mystic. Thanks Steve Harnish 17:39, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Hello

Hello, do you mind telling me why you deleted the name of my article, under the list of Buddhist sects in China(Shengmi)? because it is a factual knowledge that I read from a library, and then put it in my own words. If it is because I have gone against some rule of Wikipedia, can you please notify me, so I can prevent making the same mistake in the future. Thank you. --Vajrabell 04:01, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you

Thanx for your quick reply. I'm sorry, I'm still not exactly familiar with the way Wikipedia works. When you say you need sources, do you mean like a book that refers to this sect? To be honest, 聖密宗 is the actual name, I was the one who tried to translate it, according to the same style as the other branches named above it (I'm trying my best to go by the Wiki rules). The reason I put it there, was because, even though the article exists, but if there is no 'access pathway' to it(i.e no link to the article), how can people find out about the presence of the article? If you don't like me putting it under the branches of Chinese Buddhism, do you mind instructing me as to where I can put a link to my article? I humbly ask for your guidance. Thank you.--Vajrabell 10:07, 29 September 2005 (UTC) P.S (where was that picture of yours taken? :)

[edit] Ruhlen and Na-Dené

Thanks. I'm afraid I don't know much about the work that's been done on migrations of Native Americans to the continents, so I can't help you with that. Marianne Mithun (in Languages of Native North America, 1999) says that the Na-Dené family is indeed accepted by most linguists, and the relationship between Athabaskan, Eyak, and Tlingit is considered established.

Take care --Whimemsz 17:30, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Ndonga

Hi mr Nat Ndonga is now active. You are welcome to expand it, I will not mind. Ok. Thank you! --MissingLinks 08:36, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Indigenous peoples of the Americas

I like your choice of the new lead picture! Owen× ☎ 14:56, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] American Indians versus Native Americans

Nat, your doing the "dab" work, but creating a re-direct. You changed the Wikilinki (s) to:

"American Indians in the United States"

But it re-directs to:

"Native Americans in the United States"

WikiDon 00:12, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Just want to let you know: I noticed and appreciated your vote on my RfA. --Maru (talk) 00:16, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

Thanks from JAStewart.

[edit] Vesak

Hello, perhaps talking to you after a long gap. Your query about Vesak clarified on the talk page of the article. --Bhadani 15:44, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Prokudin-Gorskii's photo

Hi,Nat! I've removed Prokudin-Gorskii's photo from the Han Chinese article, as I couldn't find much evidence showing him to be a Han. Also, as he's wearing the costume of one of the ethnic minorities in China, the photo isn't representative of Han Chinese.

Thanks for the welcome. The man in P-G's photo worn a traditional Manchu dress, but it's hard to tell if he's really a Manchu. --Geckothesidhe 09:23, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] The La Follettes/William LeRoy La Follette

All the Follettes of the United States are descended from a common ancestor who was a Hugenot(sic?) from France.Being from Wisconsin,I pick that one up from my readings about the La Follettes of Wisconsin.I think William LeRoy La Follette was a third cousin to Robert Marion La Follette,Sr. of Wisconsin.This needs to be research further.Thank you- Richard Dungar-La Crosse,Wisconsin

[edit] Samsara

Hey Nat, I note that you have edited the article on Samsara in the past. I've been having a discussion on the talk page with RDF about whether Surat Shabda Yoga belongs in the lead, along with Hinduism, Buddhism, and Jainism. Your comments would be most welcome (so far it's just him and me). Sunray 02:41, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] American Indian

I'm officially on vacation from WP for a while, but I just thought I'd stick my head in long enough to ask why you felt there had to be two separate disambiguation pages for the same thing on American Indian and Native Americans? You know that having trimmed American Indian down to just a few links, someone is going to come along and add back in all of the other information, but not quite all... we'll end up having some articles that only one will point you to and some articles that only the other will point you to.

Didn't we agree that one of these articles would be a disambiguation page and the other would redirect to it way back when we were and many others were discussing the fate of Native Americans (now Native Americans in the United States? -Harmil 03:53, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Fuck the Border

Hi, you made some comments on the User:FrancisTyers/Fuck the Border page a while ago, I've come into some new information and wondered if you'd be kind enough to take a look :) - FrancisTyers 00:08, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] American Zen Association

Hi Nat, I have tried twice to enter American Zen Association and you deleted twice. I am new to wikipedia. What do I have to do to get it listed here. Or what should I not say??

thanks Donald Hwong donaldh AT amzen.org

Read WP:NOT. Is the AZA notable? Interesting? Is it Encyclopedic, in other words? --Maru (talk) 13:25, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

Well, Chan in Communist china is forbidden for the last 50 years. All masters are appointed by the government. Most of the Buddhhists in Taiwan practice as ritual only. There are a few linages still seem to maintain in Taiwan, mostly Rinzai(LingChi). As far as I know, this is the only one who publicly claimes to be Chan Master and emphasizes extreme practices of Sitting Zen. While others called themselves Dharma Master and teach sutras or the knowledge more. SenYan for instance, called himself dharma master in Chinese and Zen master in English.

To answer your question, it is important significant if the authentic and original Chinese Chan could be taught anywhere in the world and not lost.

This is my two bits based on my research. If you agree with my input, please edit, instead of delete, my piece in accordance to wikipedia rules.

No different from you, everyone at AZA works as volunteer only. It is not for profit and not religious. In the tradition of Zen, our master forbid any of us to idolize him or beg for his blessing. He only points the way, and we have to walk on it and witness ourselves.

[edit] A "Spirituality" portal

Hi Nat,

Some editors have been discussing the possibility of creating a “Spirituality” portal. What do you think of the idea? — Richard_RDF^talk 14:33, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

I entered some basics to get the ball rolling. I look forward to your participation in the Spirituality WikiProject and reading your contributions to the Spirituality portal. :-) — Richard_RDF^talk 00:43, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] TfD nomination of Template:Spirituality

Template:Spirituality has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at Wikipedia:Templates for deletion#Template:Spirituality. Thank you. — Richard_RDF^talk 17:46, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism

- A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 09:23, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] economic fascism

Hey Nat, long time no see on ancap. I'm writing you, for one, you may be interested in vote for deletion on the economic fascism article that I authored. And, secondly I'm bringing the vote to your attention message because the guy who put it up for deletion went around putting notices on people's talk pages misrepresenting the contents of the article, so maybe some semblance of fairness can be achieved. See ya (and don't feel obligated to vote to keep). RJII 16:22, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] The Left Hand of God

Hi Nat. The best way to get a redirect deleted is to list it on Wikipedia:Redirects for deletion. Please use this process rather than blanking the redirect page. --LesleyW 10:16, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Wishes

I wish you and your family a Merry Christmas and a happy New Year. --Bhadani 14:37, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Gong Xi Fa Cai

Hey,Krause!恭喜发财…万事如意…步步高升！Happy Chinese New Year (though you may not celebrate it). Tan Ding Xiang, the kid on IRC Tdxiang 陈 鼎 翔 (Talk) Chat with Tdxiang on IRC! My Rfa

[edit] Some help

Hi, I'm looking for someone who knows something about Tricycle: The Buddhist Review, as there is a very persistent user there (Enkido) who needs some assistance, but I know little about this magazine. I was hopinig it might pique your interest, as the article needs some tidying. If you're not interested, then thank you for your time. --DanielCD 19:49, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Please check your WP:NA entry

Greetings, editor! Your name appears on Wikipedia:List of non-admins with high edit counts. If you have not done so lately, please take a look at that page and check your listing to be sure that following the particulars are correct:

1. If you are an admin, please remove your name from the list.
2. If you are currently interested in being considered for adminship, please be sure your name is in bold; if you are opposed to being considered for adminship, please cross out your name (but do not delete it, as it will automatically be re-added in the next page update).
3. Please check to see if you are in the right category for classification by number of edits.

Thank you, and have a wiki wiki day! BD2412 T 04:48, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] personal privacy

What should Wikipedia policy be in the case of an invidual, such as this Rogue fellow, who is famous only under a pseudonym and apparently wants to avoid having his real name publicly available? Should we have any consideration for the whims of the subject? - Nat Krause 06:37, 14 Sep 2004 (UTC)

You asked this a long time ago, and I'm trying to make sure that everyone in the community has a good answer to this quesiton. We should absolutely have deep consideration for the 'whims' of the subject. These are real human beings who may have personal safety issues, and it is not our job to 'out' people. If the name appears in mainstream published sources, then we can publish it; otherwise we should absolutely and firmly err on the side of human dignity and respect. --Jimbo Wales 14:36, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

It is disturbing to me that an individual's desire for privacy should be a) viewed as incompatible with a desire to contribute to WP and b) considered a 'whim' Zero sharp 18:57, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

ok I didn't know what I was talking about here. Sorry -ZS

[edit] Page deletion

Revolution within the form is up for deletion. I ask for a vote to transwiki. Thanks. WHEELER 00:25, 3 March 2006 (UTC)