Talk:National Student Television Association
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Which part of this article are people unsure about? Vanky 22:36, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Not sure but I'm guessing it will be the formation date 83.67.43.64 03:31, 12 Mar 2005 (UTC)
If you look at the NaSTA website, it seems as if nobody knows the exact formation date... Vanky 12:06, 12 Mar 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Action post deletion debate
OK, I'd like to have a stab at a major article rewrite over the next few days, because (as evidenced by the deletion debate) this article doesn't really do NaSTA justice. I doubt that many/any of the station articles themselves will avoid deletion, so I suggest a section on each affiliate station, and a little about the UK student TV scene in general wouldn't go amiss.Tomisaac 22:41, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
Right, we now have an infobox and a little more flesh at the start. I've used the 'company' infobox, doesn't quite fit but does the job.temporarily.
To do list:
Categorise the article
Summary of each station
Get rid of the long 'History' table of dates.
Rewrite 'Conference and NaSTA Awards' in encyclopedical style.
Rewrite 'History', or junk it if there's really no reliable information.Tomisaac 23:25, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
- Cool, agreed. Maybe we should get a copy of the logo without the purple background too. As far as the 'summary of each station' goes, I suggest we keep each entry a similar size, include logos wherever possible, and don't mention anything about what awards they've won.
- Good start on the station sections, i've added a couple more. I'm a bit stuck on History - I've rewritten the stuff about Bournemouth a bit, give it some more context, but other than that, there's no info...Tomisaac 17:55, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
- Would it be possible to compile a list of notable former Nasta members? Pete
- Well, maybe. But lists tend to get far too long and lower the quality of a page IMO. Plus, we just removed the list of former conferences. Can we remove the list of non-affiliated stations? Technically less than half of the student TV stations in the UK are affiliated right now, because nobody has sent off the fees! And is it really relevant who isn't in NaSTA? JMalky 09:28, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
- How about (for the moment) including everyone who was affiliated last year in the main list, and including stations who either did not affiliate last year or have never been affiliated as 'other'. That way we'd catch new stations who intend to affiliate this year on the page, and not leave out some major stations who just haven't got around to posting their cheques yet. I think it is worth giving a short mention to non-NaSTA stations, as there are very few of them.Tomisaac 11:12, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
- Well, maybe. But lists tend to get far too long and lower the quality of a page IMO. Plus, we just removed the list of former conferences. Can we remove the list of non-affiliated stations? Technically less than half of the student TV stations in the UK are affiliated right now, because nobody has sent off the fees! And is it really relevant who isn't in NaSTA? JMalky 09:28, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
- I've just been reviewing the member station section, and several seem misleading at least compared to there own website or are acting as promotional material. i can see you all care about student tv but i think your ignoring th NPOV policy. also are all these stations still active as several sites have not been updated in some time, Bloomsbury for example doesn't appear to have been updated for several years. Sherzo 11:45, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
- Sure, could you point to a couple of specifics so we know what to avoid? There are non-active stations, I think they should be pruned. Note that non-active website doesn't mean the station is not running, as they aren't all web-based.Tomisaac 19:49, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
- In addition, I have just heard (on fairly good authority) that Bloomsbury are alive and well (though their website is broken...)Tomisaac 20:19, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
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- From what i have seen looking throgh the varies websites and googling them WTV and LS:TV are close to a traditional television station, with lots of programmes which are regularly broadcast, several others are however moving in this direction, wheras others resemble filmmakers clubs. Though GUST has a very interesting model basically it just perpetually produces the same shows year on year. i think a good NPOV wold to give a fair represention of the stations volume and diversity of output, but avoid descriptions of services they provide or how they broadcast unless this is particularly different from the norm. are there any third party verifiable sources on the NaSTA and student tv in the UK? since your good sources is hardly verifiable as the last update on the website was 4 years ago so its been broken for all that time. i appreciate they may not all be web based but if there's no website you need to provide some verifiable sources. I think a section on notable alumni would be useful, highlighting a few former members who've gone on to success in the media. Sherzo 23:55, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
- That's fair enough, I think Bloomsbury are pretty close to dead - all I have is word of mouth that Bloomsbury had a committee last year, but that's it. But please don't go merely on the basis of the websites - these are **not** online TV stations, the main method of broadcast is on campus cable-based networks. The best way to judge output is to either watch the station in question, or ask someone who watches/makes the programmes what their output is. It's a bit like asking for a source on the content of a film, you really need to watch the film to say 'that's what happens at the end'. Good sources for Student TV in general are a couple of BBC news articles, a lot of local news coverage and a good few (I've got clippings of five) national newspaper articles. Also, University guides often make mention but are light on detail. Notable alumni would be a good section, it's a question of back-tracing the stations from biographies etc - I've got a couple of them lined up for XTV, but I need some for the other stations too before I add it in.Tomisaac 21:33, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
- Agreed on the NPOV, but that was bound to happen because folk from the member stations are eager to write their own sections. That kind of thing is easily fixed though. This article has been drastically changed very quickly, so there's bound to be a few problems. Bear with us. JMalky 16:57, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
- ontop of the NPOV issues you also seem to have a bit of an edit war between i what i assume are rivals from different stations. is demon the first of these stations in halls, i can't find any sources on that but i can't equally find anything for YSTV claim that they were first. from what i've seen of the websites most station put up what programmes they do, just if i wanted to find out what shows the BBC or ABC make. I appreciate your point, but everything you put on wiki has to be verifiable, so it should at least reflect whats on there own websites.
- Agreed on the NPOV, but that was bound to happen because folk from the member stations are eager to write their own sections. That kind of thing is easily fixed though. This article has been drastically changed very quickly, so there's bound to be a few problems. Bear with us. JMalky 16:57, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
- That's fair enough, I think Bloomsbury are pretty close to dead - all I have is word of mouth that Bloomsbury had a committee last year, but that's it. But please don't go merely on the basis of the websites - these are **not** online TV stations, the main method of broadcast is on campus cable-based networks. The best way to judge output is to either watch the station in question, or ask someone who watches/makes the programmes what their output is. It's a bit like asking for a source on the content of a film, you really need to watch the film to say 'that's what happens at the end'. Good sources for Student TV in general are a couple of BBC news articles, a lot of local news coverage and a good few (I've got clippings of five) national newspaper articles. Also, University guides often make mention but are light on detail. Notable alumni would be a good section, it's a question of back-tracing the stations from biographies etc - I've got a couple of them lined up for XTV, but I need some for the other stations too before I add it in.Tomisaac 21:33, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
- From what i have seen looking throgh the varies websites and googling them WTV and LS:TV are close to a traditional television station, with lots of programmes which are regularly broadcast, several others are however moving in this direction, wheras others resemble filmmakers clubs. Though GUST has a very interesting model basically it just perpetually produces the same shows year on year. i think a good NPOV wold to give a fair represention of the stations volume and diversity of output, but avoid descriptions of services they provide or how they broadcast unless this is particularly different from the norm. are there any third party verifiable sources on the NaSTA and student tv in the UK? since your good sources is hardly verifiable as the last update on the website was 4 years ago so its been broken for all that time. i appreciate they may not all be web based but if there's no website you need to provide some verifiable sources. I think a section on notable alumni would be useful, highlighting a few former members who've gone on to success in the media. Sherzo 23:55, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
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I have one suggest have you thought about creating your own wiki? then each station, show etc could have its own page, you could design it on the IMDB lines. Sherzo 23:35, 03 December 2006 (UTC)
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- I simply removed demon from saying that they are the first to broadcast in halls. I am not saying that YSTV was the first, I just know it to be factually incorrect as we have broadcast to halls for longer. As far as I know, I don't need a citation to prove that someting without a citation is false. I am just trying to keep the article factually accurate, not having an edit war - sorry demon :) Ystv 02:31, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
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