Talk:National Hockey League rivalries

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• There should be more info about the fan rivalries of each team, not just the teams stats against each other. Nyrmetros 22:20, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

I took the line about the Senators constantly finishing high and Toronto constantly finishing low out of the "Battle of Ontario" section. It's simply not true. - Steveo

Someone needs to mention how every single canadian team hates Toronto. Maybe it's just Ottawa... much akin to Alberta, we seem to have a "Battle of Ontario." I'm not sure about this, though.

i know what you mean but we need some reserch and by the way where did the Sens suck and leafs suck website.it is a part of the rivalry Bret1

Contents 1 suggested merge 2 Ottawa-Toronto too much detail 3 Islanders-Rangers 4 The Original Six 5 "Other" Rivalries 6 battle of Pennsylvania 7 Leafs vs. Canadians 8 Canucks vs. Avalanche 9 Edits to NYI/NYR section

[edit] suggested merge

I am suggesting a merge to put all the rivalries on one page. Just a thought. Masterhatch 11 August 2005

That might make sense. how would we do this? Brett1

As far as I know, all the articles are now merged unless I missed some hidden away somewhere. Masterhatch 18 August 2005

i guess you already did it thanks

Brett1 18 August 2005

Isn't it a little presumptuous to say that there WILL be a Battle of Alberta between the two lacrosse teams? I mean, it's a new franchise in Edmonton, they aren't going to last a year.

[edit] Ottawa-Toronto too much detail

Why do we have detailed playoff summaries for the past four postseason meetings in this section? It adds length for no discernable reason other than possible gloating by Leafs fans... I would not want to see Boston-Montreal playoff summaries either; the written description is more than enough. --RealMontrealer 07:05, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

There used to be a page on it, and it was merged. Don't ask me why it was merged though. -- Earl Andrew - talk 16:01, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

Yup, that's a bit excessive! - Sajt 00:02, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

I thought the point of Wikipedia was to provide information. With that in mind, it's not possible to be too detailed; in fact, each of these sections should have their own page that provides in depth documentation of playoff meetings, notable games, etc.

[edit] Islanders-Rangers

Now, I've always heard that the main chant by Rangers fans was, "Potvin beats his wife!" Anyone know something more concrete (Paging New York fans...) so that we can add it?Habsfannova 02:29, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

• The main chant is Potvin Sucks! which is preceded by rythmic whistles from a few blokes in the crowd. Beat your wife Potvin beat your wife! was actully part of a song that was recorded, and was chanted at NYR games, but I have not heard it in the past 6 or 7 years. However that could change this year. Nyrmetros 22:19, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Original Six

The original six era of the NHL should have more documentation. The teams played more frequently, and games were often undermined by personal rivalries between players. This aspect of the game seems to have been lost with time. Would anyone be willing to help? Flibirigit 14:37, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Mm, but it doesn't really require more mention than that. A single paragraph in the Original Six or the History of the NHL articles saying what you just said should suffice. RGTraynor 15:59, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Other" Rivalries

I'm looking at the end section here, and I have to wonder about CBJ/NAS, MIN/DAL, and NAS/DET. What, precisely, is the impetus for these? I mean, Nashville and Detroit have the one playoff series and the fact that they're the only two not-awful teams in the Central, but surely, there's gotta be more than that for a rivalry to exist. I mean, Edmonton and Dallas have six playoff series of hatred to count towards theirs. Calgary and Vancouver have been divisional rivals and frequent playoff partners almost from the get-go, and their most recent set-to was probably the roughest in the West last year. But those...I dunno. If someone can compellingly show a rivalry there, okay, but otherwise, we may want to prune this. Doogie2K (talk) 00:41, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

It's fancruft, just like most of the sports articles on here...and then it takes on ESPN tones about how it's "THE GREATEST" and all that...Habsfan|t 00:52, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] battle of Pennsylvania

what about it?

It hasn't been much of a battle for a few years now. I don't think it ever was. The Penguins have never beaten the Flyers in the playoffs. I noticed a renewed vigor between the teams this past season (more so early on), but I wouldn't say that makes it a rivalry. I recall Lemieux's last game before his first retirement and it was in Philly. The fans cheered him. There is no way the Philly fans would do that for a Ranger or a Devil, but they did it for a Penguin. Then again, what do I know? If the Flyers are listed as rivals for the Islanders, Sabres, and Capitals on this page, certainly Flyers/Penguins more so than those three. This article must be a head ache for whoever chooses to watch it. It's bad enough when on the Flyers talk page a discussion on rivalries concludes that the Rivals tidbit in the factbox should be removed, only to have it reappear a few days later. --Sparkhurst 07:55, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Leafs vs. Canadians

The fact that there is nothing other than a mention of this rivalry on an 'NHL Rivalries' page is ridiculous in the extreme. Though it was pretty much an original six rivalry (since the Leafs and Habs haven't seen each other in the playofs since 1970 if i'm not mistaken), it needs to be mentioned. The leafs/habs rivalry was about more than just hockey or sports (and I'm not just spouting teary eyed romanticism here), it was reflective of the ethnic conflict between Franco and Anglo Canadians, it was the rivalry of the two (with detroit a third) dominant teams. It was Ontario vs Quebec. This was comparable to the Rangers/Celtic rivalry in Scotland (though much less violent). Even today, many (if not most) Leafs and Habs fans (at least the ones in Toronto and Montreal) care a hell of a lot about this rivalry, and rest assured that many are anxiously awaiting a playoff meeting between the two. If they did meet in the playoffs, then mentioning the 'Battle of Ontario' in a Toronto bar would probably garner the response "Ottawa Who?". It doesn't need to be an essay, it doesn't even need to be the longest one on this page, but the montreal/toronto rivalry needs to be mentioned, regardless of whether or not it took place in the era of the original six.

And I am not volunteering to write it. Look how longwinded I am here. I am just calling attention to a gaping hole in this article.

                         Signed, A Concerned Hockey Fan

If you don't start it, who will? Even an incomplete section that needs expansion is something to build on. Even something no longer than what you wrote here would serve as a foundation for others to come in and add information. Croctotheface 04:55, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

I started it. Feel free to start refining it! TrulyTory 04:09, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

I suggest that we delete much of what's written here. There's a whole paragraph on the Kings-Leafs game in 1993 (seriously, it's been 13 years, can you Leafs fans get over it?). It's really not even germane to the Leafs/Habs rivalry. It actually sounds like whining!!!! (Yes, I know, I'm an avid Kings season ticket holder, and thinks Gretzky is the greatest)OrangeMarlin 20:20, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Canucks vs. Avalanche

I admit that I'm an Avalanche fan, and I really appreciate the depth on the Detroit-Colorado rivalry presented here. I feel like perhaps we could go into some depth about the Vancouver-Colorado rivalry. I admit there's little playoff material to talk about, but the in-season rivalry is huge, being that they are division rivals. A nod to the Todd Bertuzzi incident and the increased penalties between these two teams might merit making it a small section. 65.78.76.226 00:40, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Edits to NYI/NYR section

I pared down the section comparing this rivalry to other NY area sports: it still communicates the essence of what the previous section said while saving a bunch of words and keeping the focus on hockey. I consolidated the paragraphs about the occasions where the teams met in the postseason. The ophaned paragraph looked lonely, and the organization is fine as it is. I would also be OK with combining that paragraph with the previous one, so there's one paragraph on all the playoff meetings. The Chicken Dance chant was NOT designed to mock Fleury, though it perhaps exploded in popularity because he made reference to it in 2001. I've been going to games for years, and Isles fans adopted the chant long before Fleury came to the Rangers. For the last paragraph, I removed information about LaFontaine because it's redundant with having his name wikilinked. I removed the information about who won the first trophy because it's just not that relevant, especially compared to who won each season thereafter. We don't say who won the first Stanley Cup every time it's mentioned in an article. Croctotheface 04:53, 5 November 2006 (UTC)