Talk:National Bolshevism

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Karl popper formulated geopolitics?? This must be vandalism or rubbish - user:max rspct 23.10 2nd Jan 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Left/Right

"(although this last influence is largely because of his rejection of left and right labels which is also a feature of National Bolshevism)." The final line here contradicts the initial line of the current article denoting it squarely as a 'left wing' ideology. Of course, this can only spark endless debate as to the meaning of "left" & "right", but I'll at least point it out. Nagelfar 17:43, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

I removed it, because their is absolutely no justification for calling the Nazbols Leftwing. There is almost no leftist group anywhere in the world that will allow them to events and demonstrations.

Also, based on investigation and research I conducted persynally, they aren't neo-Nazis. Well they are anti-immigrant (a right-wing trend BTW) they don't seem to have racial theories. They seem to have anti-Semitic undertones though, I'm not sure what that's about. They might just be anti-Zionist, and don't voice that in a proper way. They claim to have Jews on their central committee and they have Jews in some of their chapters. They don't like Hitler, but they like the pre-Hitler brownshirts. They like Strasser and Moussolini. They claim to be a "mix" of fascism and communism, something like third positionism. As a communist, that makes my skin crawl. Anyways, they most use communist symbols and rhetoric as recruitment means. Their real agenda is strictly irrational and neo-fascist. --Mista-X 23:35, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

Edit: Don't know how to edit Wikipedia, but I thought I'd add: the head of NBP Canada is a practicing Jew, and nobody (in Russia or Canada) have anything to say about it. Also, "Mista X" is quite 'POV' as you say, I can only pray he didn't edit anything relating to this page. ;) --24.122.49.101 23:16, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Claiming they have an ulterior agenda is very POV. That is a common thing ascribed to all Fascisms from without, however I believe erroneously. Rarely do extremist movements have an ulterior agenda of any kind than what they actually say, or attempt to recruit those who do not actually believe in what they proclaim to be for. It is the same as the Useful idiot concept. Though as long as you keep such suspicion out of the article itself I have no problem. Nagelfar 18:50, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

Sure it's POV, but they pretty much say it in their writings (they are very clear about irrationalism being the bases of their ideology). As I said, I have conducted the research and have interviewed and had conversations with their members. If having pictures of Communists (like Stalin and Lenin) AND "Nazbol girls" (viking wimmin and such) is not juxtaopposed opportunist garbage I don't know what is. --Mista-X 03:11, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia isn't the place for personal opinions. Not that I have any idea what 'juxtaposed opportunist garbage' is, I certainly don't see any opportunism in what you are saying, just an individual aesthetic approach, which doesn't seem to apply to the ideology itself, just some ad hominem circumstantial(?) association from something somewhere. Nagelfar 20:03, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

I hope my small addition shows more clearly that it isn't recognized to be leftist while maintaining an unbiased approach. Noses 16:07, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

It seems National Bolshevism has been positioned on both the "extreme left" and "extreme right". Ofcourse this make sense, since socialism and fascism (nazism) are both authoritarian totalitarian regimes with no respect for individual private property. On a 2D political compass, both movements would be in the same corner. Intangible 23:47, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] National Bolshevism

Is national bolshevism a form of fascism (nazism) or socialism? It does not seem to trace it roots to Italian Fascism, but more to members of the NSNAP who sought connections to Russia. Furthermore, the article should talk more about the roots of NB than just the representation of a small marginal Russian party. Intangible 23:44, 3 June 2006 (UTC)