Talk:Nathu La

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[edit] Reverted image

I have reverted the image to the svg one. Svg is ideal for maps, and this one, a scaled one shows the location of Nathula. If there are any problems with the svg one, please let me know, I can correct it. Regards, =Nichalp «Talk»= 18:43, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Infobox

Although the article's infobox is quite informative, I find it odd to have "Urban area" infobox for a deserted place (i.e. having no permanent residents). — Ambuj Saxena (talk) 18:59, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

I know, I couldn't find a better option for an infobox. The location also marks the Indian location, ideally it should show both nations, including the time zones. =Nichalp «Talk»= 19:07, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

I have replaced it with Template:Infobox Indian Jurisdiction. It avoids redirect too. - Ganeshk (talk) 23:30, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Non-Latin scripts

Just to let all Wikipedians know, I am not a native speaker of Tibetan nor Standard Mandarin. The Mandarin characters are cut-and-paste from the ((zh)) Wikipedia, the Tibetan was my doing. If anyone out there is an expert in the Tibetan language (or perhaps a Sikkim-native?), then please double-check my work. Thanks! --chris 01:35, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing the Tibetan spelling! --chris 21:42, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Is it really part of the Silk Road?

Surely the main Silk Road runs far to the West. Trade between India and Tibet, yes. But travellers between India and China normally went round Tibet, which was a formidably difficult to cross. --GwydionM 17:02, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

It was an offshoot of the main Silk Route. See the map on the Silk Route article for details. =Nichalp «Talk»= 17:07, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] GA nominee

The article has a "current events" tag, in this case, how current is current? One of the criteria for GA status is stability, specifically concerning content-related edits, and if there's something here that will cause the article to change in content rapidly, it isn't stable :/. Homestarmy 18:22, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

It's now stable for more than a week. =Nichalp «Talk»= 12:07, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm impressed with the readability, the interesting content and the general flow of the article. There are two issues beyond Homes' that I noticed. The article is lightly referenced I would like to see a note for at least every paragraph, indicating on which page or which URL the info is from. If the info is from multiple sources, then a cite for each source is needed.

Also, the lead section contains a paragraph (the second) which really belongs in the body of the article. Ideally, it should summarize the content of the article itself. The first paragraph does this fairly well, although it could be improved. (see WP:LEAD. The idea is that, if a reader just wants to know, "What is Nathu La?" they can read it and move on. If they're doing a report or are curious, the the bulk of the article will do.

If the reference issue is addressed, I'd have no problem promoting the article to GA status. --CTSWyneken^(talk) 14:06, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Having a footnotes for every para would make it cluttered, and hinders easy reading. A compromised can be worked out by the use of {{inote}}. To quote the FAC Director: [1] We're not adding citations for the sake of adding citations; the purpose is to make our articles verifable. The other suggestion has to been effected. Regards, =Nichalp «Talk»= 16:54, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Whatever you all would like to do is fine. This is just a suggestion in light of the WP:WIAGA. I don't intend to fail this nom, for the article is pretty solid. I, personally, am just not ready to promote it with additional referencing.

For what it's worth, in this case, adding the notes is not just for the sake of doing so. It has several purposes. The first is so that, if a reader asks: "where's that from?" the answer is immediately available. The second is to credit the work of others when we use it. Third, the one per paragraph suggestion is just that -- a suggestion. It's what I tell my college students to do when they first get started on formal research papers. Another suggestion is to footnote all and only the data found in a single source.

I hope this is helpful for you all, which is my intent. --CTSWyneken^(talk) 18:26, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

It looks to me like the reference problem is solved, so I'm passing this as a GA. However, I've got to say that the "inote" compromise confused me (and reading the fine print didn't help). At first I didn't think there were any references for those paragraphs. My preference is for visible footnotes.

The first two TOI references should have URLs if they're available. If not, there's no need for an access date.

Are "musk pods" what Wikipedia knows as musk seeds? If so, I think a link would be helpful.

Is "post" meaning "mail" good Indian English? How about "in winters" for "in winter". "Local herb" for "local herbs"? "Milk processed products"? (I'm not sure what dairy products those would be.) If not, they're definitely non-standard in all the dialects of English I'm familiar with and should be changed. I changed "bear biles" to "bear gall bladders", though, because I just couldn't deal with it. Bile is the substance contained in gall bladders; it doesn't have a plural (at least in American and British English).

Anyway, my passing this is not conditional on the style edits I just made. However, if anyone wants to revert any of them, I'd like to discuss why I made those particular ones. &mdashJerryFriedman 01:42, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

1. The article says:

"In 1983, India's then Prime Minister Rajiv Gandhi visited Beijing where he recognised China's suzerainty over Tibet."

This cannot be true. Rajiv Gandhi became India's PM in 1984. Indira Gandhi was the PM in 1983. IIRC, RG visited China in 1988. 2. Someone here asks: "Is "post" meaning "mail" good Indian English?"

It is English, as in the language that is spoken in England. See, for example, Harry Potter, The Boy who lived by J. K. Rowlings, in particular, references to post and owl-post.

[edit] Reference

A reference which points to the the temperature is actually bad. That site copied out text verbatim and claims copyright! =Nichalp «Talk»= 16:56, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

If you know from where it was copied, we can acknowledge the original reference. — Ambuj Saxena (talk) 17:12, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Nope, I don't have the source. Was told to me, and with the elevation it is vey likely :( =Nichalp «Talk»= 18:17, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Did that site copy from Wikipedia? If not, how can you say that it has copied text. BTW, I have managed to find a ref for the upper limit, and the one in use for the lower limit seems to be the only online reference available for the fact. — Ambuj Saxena (talk) 18:39, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Cause I wrote the text a looong time back word to word. At that time just a handful online sources were available. :) =Nichalp «Talk»= 19:04, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

I have temporarily removed the reference. — Ambuj Saxena (talk) 05:53, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

I have also added the reason for non-availability of such data. — Ambuj Saxena (talk) 07:30, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Once done

Let me know when you're done with the additions. The article needs to be polished before FAC. =Nichalp «Talk»= 13:15, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Go ahead. I won't be editing it again till tomorrow. — Ambuj Saxena (talk) 14:47, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

I won't have time till the next weekend. Currently drawing svg images. =Nichalp «Talk»= 15:10, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Still to do...

Hunt down Nathula references in the .gov.in, .nic.in, .ernet.in etc domains.
Copyedit the text for neutrality
Change infobox fields and edit svg map for neutrality
Reorganise sections
Copyedit for brilliant prose

=Nichalp «Talk»= 15:38, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

"The road to Nathu La is one of the world's highest navigable roads" - there are so many road passes in the same altitude range (like the Kunzum La between Spiti and Lahaul) and higher (Khunjerab Pass on the KKH) that the designation seems off the mark. Ladakh has three roads going over 5000 : the Manali-Leh road (5300), the road to Panggong Tso (5200) and the road to Nubra (officially 5600, more likely around 5300. Friendship Highway between Kathmandu and Lhasa and the Golmud-Lhasa road also go 5000+. Vistet 04:16, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

True, it needs to to be copyedited. =Nichalp «Talk»= 15:03, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

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