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[edit] Porcelain
Hi, Nick. Using your talk page because I currently can't edit the article. I'm an AOL user, and the common rotating proxies get blocked by admins in their fight against vandals. See my user page User:WBardwin/AOL Block Collection for some information on this annoying problem.
Your paragraph isn't bad at all -- a couple of points. WB sits at his wheel, centres a lump of clay, opens it up and starts to pull the walls of a pot. Except that he's not doing any pulling, because you can't pull clay, it breaks. What he is doing is stretching the wall between two unopposed points of contact creating an 's' shaped curve. The clay begins to grow taller, but tries to move outwards as well due to the movement and speed of the wheel, but WB controls this by applying force with his hands. When he's finished, he slowly removes his hands from the pot and starts to slow the wheel. But the new pot, consisting of liquid and clay and mineral particles, wants to keep turning. If the wheel is slowed too quickly, the pot may twist as it's trying to turn faster than the wheel it's stuck to. It can do this because the clay is still plastic and capable of "moving". This "movement" can cause warping not only on the wheel, but also during drying and firing. In addition, some warping and other changes in shape can occur during drying and firing, due to the tendency for the pot to "unwind" or "bowl-up", i. e. returning to a less tense state. This tendency is sometimes referred to as "plastic memory," which indicates that the flat disc shaped clay particles move slowly to an optimum point of rest. Did you get the bit about an S-shaped curve? Hard to draw a picture here. I'll have to go look up the technical definition of "plastic memory" -- but it is both a useful and frustrating characteristic of clay. WBardwin 22:10, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
Gosh, I didn't know that people had these sort of problems editing Wikipedia! Anyway, I'll Wikipedia-ise the above and move it into the article. Regarding the S-shaped curve, I didn't know about this but I take it to mean that one uses a leading digit and a trailing digit one in front of the other and that as the clay passes between the two it takes on a temporary S-shape. Thus helping to align the clay platelets through the whole thickness of the wall and not just at the surface perhaps? I'll be back, as someone once said. --Nick 22:37, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Etymology
Hi, the edit was not intended to be offensive. I was just trying to contribute to the correctness of the etymology. If we want to say the "back of a pig" I think we need to change it to the "back end of a pig". The Cowrie shell also has a porcelain like finish or texture. Gregorydavid 10:48, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] recent activity by 194.126.226.253
Thought I would drop you a note about this user. He has been deleting and replacing material in a number of pottery related articles and has subsequently been reverted by a number of other editors, including you and I. I recently left him a note and he is starting to place material on talk pages. Please see the discussion page on Pyrometric cone for my most recent response. It appears the guy has good material but has probably never worked in a cooperative environment. I hope we can blunt his "my way" perspective. He has now signed in as User:AndyAndyAndy. If you would be willing to engage in a a dialog with him on Wiki practices and cooperation, I would appreciate your help. Best........ WBardwin 01:09, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
[edit] splitting off bits of articles
I saw you planned to split an article. Just one comment; when you split off a bit of an article, remember to give the original article in the edit comment. The reason is for copyright reasons so that it is known who the text was written by. apart from that be bold Mozzerati 19:49, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks, I'll make sure I do this. Regards, Nick. Nick 19:55, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Chinese porcelain
I've moved some sections around and made some new section in cases where I thought the material didn't fit the one it was in. (Like technical details in the history section. Could you have a look at the HTML comments I left in the text and add some sources as to which experts hold the mentioned opinions and who disputes them and why? - Mgm|(talk) 11:14, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
- I think you just encountered a server hiccup. I just pulled up the article and found no evidence of it ever being deleted. Are you still having trouble finding it? - Mgm|(talk) 21:20, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Points on Pottery
Although we are supposed to assume good faith, I am starting to wonder about Brunnock. Every once in a while, on Wiki, I have run into someone who fights for the sake of fighting. I would agree that a neutral edit is desperately needed and I will be glad to help, as time permits. I will be going out of state again for a few days next week, however. I will go to the article today, and restore the version before the wrangling, then follow that with a revert. That will give us the two versions, in close access, for easy comparison. However -- with contention so very apparent -- it will be very difficult to calm things down. I have left notes with three admins of my acquantance. Perhaps one of them would be willing to help. Good to talk to you. WBardwin 20:01, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Blue and white (porcelain)
Hi, Nick. Ran across a reference to this article Blue and white (porcelain), and noted you found it as well. I think the name is problematical -- Blue and white sounds like a sport's team! So we should probably move it to at least Blue and White porcelain. And I think some cross referencing to the Porcelain article could be useful. If/when we get a project page going, what kind of naming conventions should we develop for sub-articles like this one? It's so hard to come up with a workable tree for clay topics -- such a broad field. The next step on creating a project page is to "advertize" it to the broader community. I'll wait and see if we get a few more votes. Best. WBardwin 01:19, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
Hi WB, I agree with everything you say about the Blue and white article, it should be re-named, possibly to Blue and white porcelain. This would be fine by me, but it might offer up wonderful opportunities for endless wrangling to those who would say that blue and white wares are not necessarily porcelain. Perhaps Blue and white ceramic wares might be better? But I don't have strong views on this. The prospect of a project page for ceramic arts and crafts (or what ever it would be called) does induce fear and trembling, because as you say, it isn't going to be easy to agree a tree-structure for the ceramics family. But on the other hand, I think it would be best to try. By the way, I've been doing a little work on the Pottery article at User:N.Hopton/Sandbox, redoing the headline definitions, the section on history and the section on archaeology. I'm very reluctant to make big changes to the article itself because I know that most of the words there are yours, but if you see anything in my sandbox version that you like please grap it, hack it and paste it into the article. Regards, Nick. Nick 08:37, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] AWB
Thank you for your interest in the AutoWikiBrowser. As a security precaution, the creator of the AutoWikiBrowser requires all users who want to use the program to have edited articles at least 500 times to use the program. Unfortunately, you have 250 article edits right now, so I had to deny your request to use the AutoWikiBrowser. Please do request again after you have 500 article space edits. Good luck, and happy editing! Prodego talk 15:10, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Help
Someone with the user name User:Gregorydavid made an offensive edit yesterday (24th April) in the Porcelain article. I'm not sure what to do about this, from what I can see he seems to be a fairly respectable sort of person. Regards, Nick. Nick 10:19, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
- Normally, you revert the edit, and warn the editor about this, for example by using the templates {{test}}, {{test2}}, {{test3}} or {{test4}}. Even if an editor looks like he or she is respected, just post a little note at the talkpage and ask what the reason for that edit was! Bjelleklang - talk 10:30, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Pottery
Speling: thanks Nick for the correction on my last edit .. v.bad proof reading on my part Andy
