Talk:Nüwa
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[edit] Citations
Does anyone have more direct references to the stories? The way Nuwa is commonly represented does not fit the source documents, as far as I am aware. The Nuwa character is thought by some to be a tribal designation, as a creator or a goddess as typically portrayed. mamgeorge 20:00, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- There need not necessarily be a "source document", as Nuwa is a folk goddess, and a lot of legends are gleaned from folk sources. She is not a historical or litarary figure. Mandel 09:48, Jun 3, 2005 (UTC)
The conclusions that Nuwa is a creator, a goddess, a myth, or even feminine are all assumptions. The point of the documentation is to provide the basis for those assumptions. Others looking at the basis for the stories may uncover a more consistent conclusion. The classifications are ultimately misleading. mamgeorge 16:59, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
- Although I did not originate this article, I provided specific details for the authors and books since the above posts. If you believe more is needed, please be specific on what exactly needs to be added beyond date, author, book, chapter, title, details. The two sources I could not identify I did not add; eventually they may need to be removed.
- mamgeorge 21:18, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Deletes
At the moment, there's no citation for anything in this article. As it stands, it should be deleted. PiCo 02:52, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
- There are procedures and due process to do everything on wikipedia. Please use them. The article cannot be summarily blanked or deleted unless you put up a deletion request that people will vote on. I would suggest that first you use one of the templates available to request sources or documentation. I have no idea where the original contributors got their information, but I assume good faith that they did not make it up on their own, as I have also read similar information in many, many books that cover Chinese mythology. ፈቃደ (ውይይት) 14:02, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
I'm not suggesting AfD, but I am saying that this is a seriously weak article so long as it it has absolutely no references. PiCo 22:57, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
- Ah.. Well I agree with you fully on that point, and someone should definitely take the time to look some of this stuff up and get the proper sources, preferably the contributors who first put it here...! But I have no doubts that it all could be sourced, it just looks weak without it... ፈቃደ (ውይይት) 00:29, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Proposed
The stories in "wife", "creator", "maintainer" should be cited; preferably with the sources. The point of the dated references was to show (among other things) the development of this myth over time. Merely saying "it is said" could be a wrong or confused recollection. This is an encyclopedia article. Although one goal could be "catalog Nuwa myths", those wanting to understand the development of the myth may prefer "catalog Nuwa development as a myth".
- Without citations on the supplied quotations, they become stories only. Perhaps unquoted stories should be removed? Is that what Pico (above) was intending? mamgeorge 16:59, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Similarities
Similarities between Fuxi-Nuwa and Enki-Ninki of Sumerian mythology include the creation of man from clay, the serpentine features, the rescue of man from the flood, and the return of knowledge and kingship to man afterwards. Fuxi-Nuwa appear to be echoes of Sumerian lore. Both were also brother-sister and husband-wife as well. jdwilkins
- I agree that is true in generalities. That can be broadened to include similarities to the Hebrew Noah, Egyptian Nun, Mesopotamian Ziusudra, Indian Manu, Europe Deucalion, etc. To effectively identify a literary pattern, a point by point comparison should be done on the relevant sources. That might be the subject of a new article. Note that the creation, clay, serpent, knowledge, flood, cycle has used to justify a both a Universal Tradition in religion, and a competing claim of Global Archetypes in Psychology. mamgeorge 16:59, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Dating
Eiorgiomugini, I see your point. Some of the dates refer to the individual, some to the dynasty (because a date for the person is not available). I can eplicitly change that.
- I do not know what "bitter" referes to in your edit description.
- Thanks, mamgeorge 14:07, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
