Talk:Myth II: Soulblighter Tournaments

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I know this is getting big, but its a pretty definitive list. If anyone considers cutting it down, let me know and I'll do some work. It could be split up - 2-team tournaments could get their own page I suppose. (The Elfoid 14:42, 18 April 2006 (UTC))

Contents 1 Purpose? 2 Coop Tournaments 3 Myth 1: TFL tournaments 4 Where to find information

[edit] Purpose?

What is the purpose of this page? It looks like a list of tournaments with some brief commentary. Some of the current details (eg, who was to choose a map in the event of a tiebreaker) seem overly obscure, and some of the comments are beginning to sound more like opinions than an encyclopedia. In the interest of shortening the article length, I suggest a pruning of the commentary. In particular the MWC entries duplicate material in another article and for those entries the commentary might be nothing more than a see also link. Gimmetrow 17:03, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

This shows MWCs more in relation to other tournies in general, I feel it stands ok as it is really. It is what you thought of as its purpose, but commentary's quite detailed basically since that's what people wanted. A lot of its from the old MythTournies.com list of tournaments by Wight Slayer, Sam Stone and friends (which was later updated by the MWC04.com forum guys like Grim, Shinco, Myrkridon, Limp) for all the stuff from after 2002 up to Summer 2004. I then did research on the few tournies since then.

Everyone I've asked is very happy with it (and lets face it, you don't knwo as many competitive people as me since you don't post on MWC's forums and you're a co-op nut) but I know sometimes I waffle a little. Best to post up individual tournaments you suggest changing and we discuss them rather than mass-pruning since I'd say 99%'s fine tho that might change if I like what happens to the rest of it.

Best to handle TFL tournies first I'd say, its more pressing. Also I have another 5 M2 tournaments I should be able to add soon so its not a finalised list either.

(The Elfoid 17:18, 15 May 2006 (UTC))

I raised two issues. One is article length, the other is the appearance of opinion (POV) in some of the commentary. Removing opinion is a Wiki guideline and would not reduce article length much. The pruning for length that I envision is more debatable, but would basically remove some overly detailed minutiae. That's not a "mass pruning" unless you consider removing a sentence or two here and there "mass pruning." Gimmetrow 18:00, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Opinions I've tried to cut down on. Where present, they're majority opinion of the community since most of these tournaments I didn't play in - I've looked at information, public opinion, TO opinion, whatever I can get and made my best atempt at puting it all together to state how successful/organised/whatever it was. I feel analysis of t ournament quality's very important. Pruning in terms of dealing with length can be done as I said, but lets discuss it first. Like I said though, I think a TFL page is more important since its better to have this information SOMEWHERE in some form of another than in no form at all. Plus, TFL information is harder to find and the quicker its done the better

(The Elfoid 18:21, 15 May 2006 (UTC))

[edit] Coop Tournaments

Added some addition coop tournaments, and edited the reference to Myth Speed Running. Also fixed a few typos. I've included for now a sentence about the SoN contest even though it was TFL only, because I think the SoN plugin was important to coop development and should be mentioned somewhere. Nightmare and SoN were the beginnings of Mazzarin's Demise I. Gimmetrow 20:22, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Why were the mariusnet contests deleted? Gimmetrow 21:05, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

I edited/deleted some stuff by accident. My bad, you entered your message AS I made my revert. The SoN thing I can't find (what did you mean?!) and the Myth Speed Running thing I can't find enough details on - what is it and how does it relate to MDQ? They clearly weren't just 1 tournament.

'Winner was decided first by most levels won in the least amount of game time.In the concurrent Grave challenge (determined by MCS ranking) Head Hunter squeeked out the victory over Matrix as time expired. (Mariusnet held one additional coop challenge on December 20-22 for the Son of Nightmare plugin, won by PG and MBT over Kallikanzaros.)'

Can you make a new post for the other tournies you listed there, and explain what MBT/PG/MCS are?

(The Elfoid 21:11, 9 May 2006 (UTC))

SoN is the Son of Nightmare plugin. Myth Speed Running was the ongoing challenge that was handled by Patroclus, inspired by the original MDQ contest. PG and MBT were player names, best I could find at the moment from internet caches. MCS was the Mariusnet scoring system, the Mariusnet Computer Score, which was an ELO-like system rather than the bungie system. The link to Patro's Myth Speed Running site is available through archive.org. I think you have MDQ and M2DQ confused - there were MDQ contests for both TFL and SB, but as far as I can recall they only happened once. It all became MSR after that. Gimmetrow

There was MDQ2 (Myth II Done Quick 2) - see the link I posted on it for the unofficial tournament after that. MSR confused me, since M2DQ2 is advertised on PlayMyth's news archive and I found records for it. I'll clean up rest of it too.

Also even if the tournie didn't officially end, nothing's happening to it anymore so we should put a rough fizzle out time. The August 2002 point I made was when it started, August 2004 was the last site up date - I think thats quite conclusive that MDQ2 is over.

(The Elfoid 22:15, 9 May 2006 (UTC))

The "MDQ2" site you refer was not intended to be separate from MSR. It was just another site posting the Myth equivalent of "world records". By the same analogy, a "world record" is never really closed, but I agree that there have been no updates since 2004, mostly because the few people that might be interested would rather play Mazzarin or something else. Gimmetrow 22:56, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Ah ok. The MDQ2 site has a link to Patro's one too. They should be listed seperately. I'll handle it.

(The Elfoid 21:54, 10 May 2006 (UTC))

All issues I have with the stuff you added are gone - if you've got complaints voice them but there's nothing I feel should be ADDED from my knowledge (The Elfoid 22:37, 10 May 2006 (UTC))

The Grave challenge was a TFL FFA contest. It deserves at most a mention among the Nov 2002 contest, not a separate entry in the M2 lists, and certainly not an entry in the M2 coop lists. SoN was also a TFL plugin, similar reasoning. Also the mnet ongoing challenge came to a close mostly because mnet never completed the updates to track M2 games past version 1.3.x. Gimmetrow 23:19, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

OK, tidy all my mess up then, I thought they were M2 for some reason :)

(The Elfoid 06:58, 11 May 2006 (UTC))

[edit] Myth 1: TFL tournaments

Opening a question for consensus building: Do TFL tournaments merit mention, and if so where would be the appropriate place? Should this page be exclusively M2 tournaments (per the current name), with M1 on a separate page? Or should this page include all Myth tournaments? If so, should it be renamed? Gimmetrow 00:15, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

There should be a TFL page really. Articles are meant to be within a certain size, and we're already above the recomended size and approaching gradually (though growth can only slow down) the point where we're on a list of things to be checked for length. Lists are allowed extra length usually, but its still risky.

Townhall's Archive has a list of several TFL tournies, and TFL98 has information we can use to help us find out more. MariusNet's web-archive has a news archive too. So we can get a list of TFL tournies, if rather incomplete. If you begin it, I shall add what I can - I'm really not a TFL know-how-wizard at all but might have a little I can add.

The TFL MWC (MWC98) is the only one I've really looked into much, and some research on Mazz. I say go for a new page and see what we can do. Link it here when tis up.

(The Elfoid 12:23, 12 May 2006 (UTC))

[edit] Where to find information

MythTournies.com archive MWC Forums (just search em, mwc04.com, mwc05.m2sbtourney.com and mwc06.com) PlayMyth.net/Mythforums.com/myth.bungie.org news archive Myth Townhall's archive? URL?!