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[edit] Retail links on Irrigation Page - yet you kicked off our FAQs off Drip Irrigation

Twice you've refused to list drip-irrigation-guide.com under topic Drip Irrigation. However, you allow a completely commercial site under topic Irrigation.

Under Irrigation - Under External Links - this is listed:

Why would you allow a commerical/retail site and not a site that only provides information?

This is very confusing and I do not understand why irrigationdirect.com is more helpful information than drip-irrigation-guide.com.

Could you please explain this to me?

Thanks, April Lougheed —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Aprillougheed (talk • contribs) 00:35, 12 December 2006 (UTC).

That's easy-- I didn't have irrigation on my watchlist. It is now, and I have pulled the offending link. You see, the process by which an editor ends up watching particular articles can be somewhat haphazard. Most of us are set up so that any article we edit automatically gets added to our watchlist. I generally look at all external links that get added to my watchlist-- if someone spams multiple articles, I'll follow the chain, removing spam as I encounter it, and indirectly adding new articles to my watchlist. That's how one can end up watching one article but completely missing a change to a closely related one. Hope that makes sense?
Incidentally, we would love it if you would add your expertise to the contents of our articles. Cheers! -- Mwanner | Talk 00:47, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hello

Hi Mwanner, haven't come to wikipedia for some days, how are things going?

Still trying to see if you mind to add the Warren Buffett's stock holding and historical transactions at http://www.secform4.com/insider-trading/315090.htm. He is so well respected by people and I still think many people can benefit from his investment knowledge. Hope you reconsider the link, thanks :) vicn12 | Talk

No, nothing has changed-- you seem to think I was just in a bad mood? The link is simply not appropriate. It's not just me. Perhaps you missed it, but KonradG also reverted your link ([1]). Besides, there are dozens of books by and about Warren Buffett[2], which would be the best way for people to benefit from his investment knowledge. Why don't you help people by improving the contents of our articles? Read one of his books, and summarize his wisdom for our readers. After all, the actual trades made by a multi-billionaire are not neccessarily the best example for an ordinary investor to follow-- they can't afford to take the risks that a wealthy man can. Best wishes. -- Mwanner | Talk 13:27, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

OK :)vicn12 | Talk

[edit] Hello

Hello Mwanner,

You recently deleted some external links on the page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnet. The links were to some sites that had some interesting information on permanent magnets. These sites are unrelated commercial sites that present information in a separate section from their commercial content. You did however leave three other commercial sites with similar information untouched. Could you clarify your rational for this? I believe both sites should be reincluded in the wikipedia as they provide interesting and useful resources. These are the sites and the original listing:

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.205.10.4 (talk) 00:51, 14 December 2006 (UTC).

I agree that the first site has some useful information, the second one rather less so. I removed them because Wikipedia's External links guidelines list "Links to sites that primarily exist to sell products or services" under "Links normally to be avoided". I don't understand your contention that the links that I left in place are commercial-- one of them does carry advertizing, but it does offer any products for sale. We accept many sites that carry advertizing-- the New York Times pages are a prime example. And the pages you added seem to me far less "separate" from their commercial content than you suggest-- the first shows a shopping cart in the upper right-hand corner, the second has a link to "Products" in its upper left-hand corner. I could possibly see keeping them if one had to go back to a home page to find one's way to the direct sales page, though I think it would be fair to say that, even so, they would still be "sites that primarily exist to sell products". But having the sales link directly on the info page is clearly over the line. -- Mwanner | Talk 02:45, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Hi Mwanner,

Thanks for your explanation. I added an invitation for discussion on the talk page of the article. The invitation includes a listing of all of the commercial sites that have been, or currently are, on the page. Hopefully we'll get some good input. I hope a clear consensus will result of whether content that is contained on a commercial site should be removed or has merit independent of the product or service being sold.

I also received a comment from Femto saying that I shouldn't add links repeatedly without discussing it on the Talk page. I actually wasn't familiar with the Talk pages until yesterday. However, in my defense, what I did was re-add links that had been there for some time and were removed by a single individual repeatedly who did not open up the discussion on the Talk page.

Thanks again for your explanation. 72.205.10.4 (talk

No defense needed-- there is an immense amount for a new editor to learn when getting started at Wikipedia.
The Talk pages can be useful, but I have often found them to be too little used to provide solid direction. The best solution to the issue of these links is incorporate their contents (rewritten, of course) into the article, and then list them as sources or references. It's hard work, of course, but it results in our article becoming the best possible source of information on its topic; not incidentally, it also pays back the editor who does the work significantly-- after undertaking such a task, you will find that you know the subject much better than you did by just reading the sources. Happy editing! -- Mwanner | Talk 15:10, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rallying

Hello,

First, please forgive me if I am not using this talk function correctly, or adding content in an inappropriate way. This is my first time trying to contribute to wikipedia so I'm quite new at this.

I would like to try and understand why the 2 links that I added to the Rallying page were removed.

Having been involved in Rally here in the USA and actually competed in events, I would definitely recommend both Ben's Rally Page by Ben Bradley, a DEFINITIVE and well known member of the rally community and the information on past history that he's archived on his web site. Ben Bradley is a major contributor to Special Stage, also listed in the extrnal links section.

Rally Classified is also the central location for people in the rally community to buy and sell rally related items in the USA. It's Free - and non commercial as per the link guidelines.

Both of these sites are well known in the US rally arena, and carry decent pagerank. Search google USA for "rally cars" and you'll see that there is some weight behind this, not just my own opinion. In fact, it's listed just below wikipedia's rallying page.

Thanks for helping me try and understand what I may have done incorrectly in my attempts to help contribute to rallying on wikipedia. -- Mlepisto

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