Talk:Muslim Council of Britain
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[edit] How representative is the MCB?
As a British Bengali Muslim, I would like to ask that the Wiki article on the MCB is edited to inform readers that the MCB leadership is a self-appointed group. There are no wide ranging elections which legitimise these people as 'spokesperson's for Muslims'.
Habz
[edit] Comment from 136.148.1.143
Please read what kind of nonsense your wiki-editors write before sticking it on the net, please delete these sections as it is highly Islamaphobic, trying to brand all muslims as terrorists. the information here is all incorrect because the Secretary General of the MCB has recently been honoured with knighthood by H.M. the Queen. How could this organisation be honoured with such prestigious award after burning the effigy of Tony Blair and asking for the bombing of New York. in addition Tony Blair himself was involved in the processs of selecting people to be knighted. Is this kind of information rational to us living in the 21st century or is it outright racial/ religious hatred.
I am continuously denied the right to correct the article by Zeq. In the restriction of my right to free speach, I can only protest by issuing a NPOV warning
[edit] Far right members?
Much to the dislike of the far right members.....of what? not at all clear what these upset people are members of. Sandpiper 1 July 2005 18:19 (UTC)
[edit] Not relevant
The section in this article that states:
" Despite the fact that there is in fact no such thing. British police officers are always trained to go for head or chest shots to try and guarentee a first shot kill. British police officers who carry firearms are always taught that using a firearm is a last, desperate resort to be used when the target must die to ensure public safety. British police are never trained in disabling shots. There was the same sort of confusion some years ago in Northern Ireland."
Should be removed. It is simply going off on a tangent, and has nothing really to do with the Muslim Council of Britan. I'm not a Muslim, I was simply searching for information, but this that this inclusion is too subjective.
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- Quite agree, given that the majority of British Police aren't armed they're not "always trained" to go for any kind of shotPhilipPage 23:40, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] 86.130.64.10 - our readers aren't idiots
The readers of this article can work this out for themselves;
- In this one sentance, the MCB managed to completely contradict their previous statements on freedom of expression
This is your own analysis;
- the use of the word "xenophobic" (a fear of foreigners) suggests that the council believes that Danish newspaper cartoons were targeting Muslims of Arabian origin, rather than Islamic views as a whole. In this statement, the MCB showed themselves up as racists, since a member of any race can follow the beliefs of Islam.
Although you have a point, wikipedia is not the place for your analysis unless this work has published elsewhere to a large audience. I don't believe this is significant evidence to alledge racism either. In Sacranie's sentance, he attributed 'a xenophobic tone' to the Western Media as a whole rather than to Jyllands-Posten specifically. I genuinely don't believe that the MCB would argue against a member of any race converting to Islam. Infact, they'd probably be delighted. I think you've misjudged them. Veej 00:25, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Aims incompatible with MCB stated aims
"The Muslim Council of Britain (MCB) is an organisation founded in 1997 to defend the rights of Muslims, improve relations between traditional Muslims and wider society and to "promote cooperation, consensus and unity on Muslim affairs" in the United Kingdom."
This is vague and incorrect in part. As an unincorporated association the MCB has it's aims clearly stated in their constitution as a legal requirement. http://www.mcb.org.uk/aim.php To misrepresent these with paraphrasing is awkward and misleading. Comments please. PhilipPage 00:56, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
Edited as suggested. Points I-VI could do with formatting. PhilipPage 02:14, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
- though this hadn't occured to me before, now that you've suggested it, the paraphrasing was awkward and misleading. well spotted mate. Veej 23:06, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
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- Glad to hear you approve, it's a great idea for an entry. Rather surprised it hadn't been here for years to be honest. PhilipPage 00:18, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Where are the positives?
This article is totally imbalanced. The MCB does significant good works and makes a serious attempt at representing all British Muslims, irrespective of sect or ethnicity. How is it that none of these areas are covered in this entry? May I suggest also adding comments on some of the following:
- political lobbying - books for schools - interfaith dialog - advising on faith matters - employers good practice guides - adoption and fostering - etc etc
Neither does the article mention that the MCB is a voluntary organistaion (it has less than five permamnet members of staff at any point in time) and as such is dependent on the good-will of it's volunteers to get anything done. Please also note that the MCB is the largest Muslim organisation in the UK by membership. Husainweb 24 April 2006 00:44 (UTC)
- You're quite right, but please bear in mind this entry was originally started with a strong anti-islam POV and various contributors have edited away from that, albeit slowly. I suggest you jump in and make the changes you'd like to see, I know I've been waiting for Muslims to come along and set the record straight. I'd be wary of changing "unincorporated association" in the opening line though as this is it's legal standing. Good luck! PhilipPage 00:02, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] MCB members want freedom of expression
Wooster removed "unless you can demonstrate that the linked letter was written on behalf of the MCB?"
The letter was written to the Times (notable) by several member organisations of the MCB (an umbrella group). The signatories are senior figures within the MCB. If Tony Blair writes to the Times, do we need to prove that he was writing on behalf of the UK government before including excerpts on wikipedia's UK government page? Veej 01:11, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
- It's not so simple in my opinion. I would go on whether they signed themselves "X, treasurer of the MCB", or just "X" in which case we should assume they were writing in a personal capacity. This seems to be the normal distinction in letter sections of Newspapers. The same goes for "Tony Blair, Prime Minister of the United Kingdom" vs. just "Tony Blair". Zargulon 09:14, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] MCB Does Not Represent British Muslims
In my experience most British Muslims have not heard of the MCB. The MCB membership and political outlook is very Islamist. I'm a secular Muslim. MCB has too many links to dodgy groups like Jamaat I Islam, for my liking.
Does the average Muslim care more about getting a good education, job and whatnot or far off conflicts like Pakistan or Israel/Palestine? The MCB most certainly doesn't represent me because as a Bengali Sylheti Muslim, I have no interest in Palestine!
good point, to many people nowadays presume that all muslims have a fixed consensus, and a single opinion. i mean the archbishop of canterbury doesn't represent every christian in britain.
