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Contents 1 Comments 1.1 Turkish_musical_instruments template is ready 1.2 Revert Wars 1.3 Vandalism by MelEtis and Others 1.4 Turkish Classical Music vs. Saray Music? 1.5 Mevlevi music 1.6 Fasil 1.7 Removed 1.8 Title query 1.9 Vandalism by an anonymous person 1.10 GA Review

[edit] Comments

[edit] Turkish_musical_instruments template is ready

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Turkish_musical_instruments Please use this template in related pages --Macukali 13:50, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Revert Wars

I am trying to put a stop to the revert wars. I understand you feel passionately about your own issues but please think before you edit -

• 1. Are you putting anything in to make it better?
• 2. Are you just putting in things to promote your favourite singer or nationalism?

These are my edits so far:

I have tidied up the first two paragraphs. Though I don't agree that you need to stick in every inconceivable influence in Turkish music, because it was not meant to be an exhaustive list but just examples - and that the old version read better - I have decided not to change it simply because I think the majority of Turks here do not understand that they are sacrificing a well written article simply to stick in some other piece of information. For example, the fact that Balkan music is an element is made clear in the rest of the article and doesn't need to mentioned really, and that it should be obvious that the Seljuk's colonised Anatolia. It is sad that they don't realise this - but I have kept sacrificed a better paragraph merely to keep the peace so I hope they will stop attacking the article.

I also changed the Zeybek links. For some reason MelEtis believes that this should be on a separate page than the Greek dance - I think because Greek nationalistic roots and sympathies - though I yet have to research that.

I tidied up the Mustafa Sandal sentence about his winning a gold disc. I haven't any authority that says this - nor have I found any, but I am assuming good faith on the part of the Sandal fans that have added it.

Someone keeps adding Turkish soundtrack music as though it is a separate genre. As far as I know it isn't. I suggest they actually contribute to some articles and not just put in names to articles they will never write themselves. That is just lazy.

There was a link to a Turkish Government page but as it doesn'T directly refer to that paragraph you cannot cite it - so I put th elink in FURTHER READING. I have tried to keep away from Turkish nationalism POV and to be honest most of the Ministry of Culture pages in English are either wrong or badly written or nationalistic, which makes me wonder how much Turks know about their own music. For example on this page the Ministry of Culture labels the Ankara folk oyun havasi misket as a belly dance, mixing up the genres. A oyun havası is not necessarily a belly dance. Deff6 19:56, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

I edited the changes made about the Club Scene because what is being talked about here is not just clubs in Turkey. Yes, there are clubs in Ankara and Izmir and Antalya, but this is not what we mean in English when we say an underground music scene. We mean the 'meaking and producing of alternative music. Arguably, the Istanbul music scene is the center of that creativity. I will try and make that more clear. Deff6 20:08, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism by MelEtis and Others

This user has reverted all edits to the Zeybek dance page to the Greek version - even though he opened the article himself. After arguing and reverting the Greek Zeybek page - the man now comes and changes all the Zeybek links of the Music of Turkey page to the Greek Zeybek. Does this make sense?

The two references taken out are there for a reason - THEY HAVE BEEN CITED. The immigrants lowest of the low article about mistreatment of Turkish immigrants in Germany influenced the Turkish hip hop genre, for example. It is all footnoted if one takes the time to read and not just edit. 82.145.231.194 13:33, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Turkish Classical Music vs. Saray Music?

When we refer to classical music in Turkey it refers to the modal music which is strongly related to Byzantine music. It has some continuity in the sense that both the so-called Turkish classical music and Byzantine music are music of "the Royal palace" apart from the well-known modal style. I'm thinking of adding some more material to reflect contemporary Turkish music during the times of the modern republic. These will include contemporary composers such as Ilhan Mimaroglu, Ilhan Usmanbas, Ertugrul Oğuz Fırat, etc. This will inevitably result in Classical music to be reclassified as "Saray music" or "Makamsal Music". I wonder what the other authors think of this? I'm aware of the sensitivity of "Saray music" connoiseurs. Any ideas of how to reshape the article? Let's discuss and find.--hamilikart 13:11, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Its related more to Arab, Persian and Eastern musical traditions. The Turks never adopted a Byzantine court or Byzantine influenced court. Let's stop trying to invent stories and keep to the realities.

[edit] Mevlevi music

I'm wondering if Mevlevi music should be in the classical rather than the folk section. -- Solri

No Mevlevi music is folk music because it is derived from a religious sect. However, certain famous sufi's like Dede Efendi were classical music composers. 82.145.231.8 13:04, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fasil

Someone made this comment within the article text, which seems to belong more to the talk page than to the article itself:

"Fasil refers to a performance form, a suite of pieces in the same Makam and is not specific to Rom music"

I don't know if this is the case. Can the text be reworded to integrate this info?--Chinawhitecotton 05:13, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Removed

I have removed the paragraph below from Kurdish music because it is incorrect. For correct information on Ottoman classical music and makams please see sources [1]. Kurdi is the name of the composer - not of a race in this instance.

The music is modal, with its maqam (or mode in Arabic music) is called Kurdi and is known throughout the Arab world.

I removed this list because it doesn't appear that these are anything more than Turkish translations of English terms and don't particularly line up with sensible articles. The few that do correspond to an article-worthy subject are already linked to elsewhere in the article. Tuf-Kat 01:30, Apr 18, 2005 (UTC)

• Classical Turkish music (Klasik Turk Muzigi)
• Turkish art music (Turk Sanat Muzigi)
• Popular Turkish art music (Hafif Turk Sanat Muzigi)
• Religious Turkish music (Dini Turk muzigi)
• Turkish art music interpretations (Yorum Turk Sanat Muzigi)
• Arabesque music (Turk Arabesk Muzik)
• Pop-Arabesque music (Turk Pop-Arabesk Muzik)
• Tavern music (Fantazi-Taverna Muzigi)
• Oriental music (Oryantal ve Oyun Havalari)
• Traditional Turkish folk music (Geleneksel Turk Halk Muzigi)
• Composed Turkish folk music (Beste Turk Halk Muzigi)
• Turkish folk music interpretations (Yorum Turk Halk Muzigi)
• Turkish ethnic music (Turk Etnik Muzikleri)
• Ozgun Turkish music (Özgün Müzik)
• Protest Turkish music (Protest Ozgun Turk Muzigi)
• Turkish soundtracks (Turk Film Muzikleri)
• Turkish pop music (Turk Pop Muzigi)
• Turkish pop-rock music (Turk Pop-Rock Muzigi)
• Anatolian rock (Anadolu Rock Muzigi)
• Turkish rock music (Turk Rock Muzigi)
• Turkish alternative music (Turk Alternatif Muzikleri)
• Turkish hip hop (Turkce Rap Muzik)
• Turkish jazz-blues (Turkce Jazz-Blues)
• Vocal music (Siirsel Vokal Muzik)
• Classical music in Turkey (Turkiye'de Klasik Bati Muzigi)
• Tango Turk (Tango Turk)
• Turkish kanto (Turkce Kantolar)
• Turkish marches (Turk Marslari)
• Children's music (Cocuk Sarkilari)
• Deformed Turkish music (Deforme Turk Muzigi)

[edit] Title query

Can we lower-case this title? Turkish music genres and artists, for example? -- Zoe

Better yet, is there any reason not to call it simply Turkish music? I can think of none, so I'm going to move the page there. If anybody disagrees, it's a pretty simple job to move it elsewhere. --Camembert

I'm curious - why is "Music of Turkey" a better title than "Turkish music" (where this has been moved from)? It doesn't seem so natural or so linkable to me. --Camembert

Probably because this should also contains information about Armenian and Kurdish musics, while Turkish music could focus on the music performed by ethnic Turks in Central Asia and in immigrant communities in Europe. Danny

I suppose that's fair enough. --Camembert

Going by that logic then you can't call music from America American music, music from Greece, Greek music, music from Armenia Armenian music - because all these places will have had the same melting pot of influences.

All countries have a "music of X" article, and some ethnic groups have an "Xish music" article (or "Xish folk music" or "ethnic Xish music") as needed. There should be an article on the music of Turkish people and an article on the music of Turkey. Tuf-Kat 22:32, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

The Turkish music genres and artists (the original title) seems more appropriate. It just smacks of not labelling anything Turkish (when it correctly is) because of racial sensitivities.

[edit] Vandalism by an anonymous person

An anonymous person with the IP 82.145.231.9 vandals this article all the time! He/She wants to hide the success of Turkish pop. This person has already cursed in some articles. We must observe this person, that he/she cannot always vandal this article... Mustionline 18:04, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] GA Review

This article has been put forth for Good Article review. Baristarim 20:38, 10 December 2006 (UTC)