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I have uploaded the following photos, but someone who is capable of making them an appropriate size and placing them should do so. Tuf-Kat

Done. Images below: Lupo 18:43, 25 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Looks like my resized images got lost. Use the new image markup to resize them, e.g. (Lupo 15:19, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC))

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[edit] The Modern Period

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Nic Jones, Davy Graham, Roy Harper, Ralph McTell, June Tabor, Shirley Collins, John Renbourn and John Kirkpatrick were among the more innovators of this period, who often criticized the electric folk-rock artists. When Martin Carthy "plugged in" in 1971, the English traditional scene erupted in an uproar of criticizing. Ashley Hutchings and Bob Pegg had been earlier innovators of the fusion, and Hutchings helped propel Fairport Convention into the star position of the English folk-rock scene, starting with

+++++++++++ Wow! That's a garbled piece of prose. "Among the more innovators" - I suggest this should be changed to "were among those who balanced innovation with tradition". As for "often criticised the electric folk-rock artists" I think this means "often criticised the worst excesses of folk-rock", though to be honest I can't think of an instance of anyone other than Martin Carthy or Karl Dallas criticising folk-rock.

"starting with" - an unifinshed sentence. I suggest this should be "starting with their album What We Did on Our Holidays" Ogg 08:32, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)

[edit] "Art" music

After the mentions of Handel and Mozart [sic] this article veers away from "classical" music. Yet there is an interesting history of English art music in both performance and composition. The first half of the 20th Century saw much interest in using folk music as a source, and this was the golden age of specifically English composition. So, what's the standard view on articles like this? Should it be confined to music with nationalistic roots? (in which case Mozart is completely outside the topic). Or can it be extended to include concert-hall trends as well? I would draw the arc from the great choir festivals and Elgar, from the folk revival and Vaughan Williams/Holst/Grainger/Delius, through to the BBC and their sponsoring contemporary composers throughout much of the 20th Century. I'm no expert but I can take a stab at summarizing this. Does it fit? David Brooks 07:12, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I don't know much about the subject, but I think it fits to whatever degree it doesn't overlap with music of the United Kingdom. If the trends you mention apply just as much to Wales or Scotland as England, it should really go to MotUK, maybe with a brief discussion here, but if it was entirely or primarily an English thing, then it should be here. Tuf-Kat 22:09, Feb 25, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Non-Folk Modern Period music

Most of The Modern Period section of this article deals with folk and derivatives. Considering it deals with the period from the 60s onwards, this doesn't really seem to make a great deal of sense. Indeed, The Beatles weren't even mentioned among the notable 60s/70s bands. If someone could expand the section with more information on other genres that'd be great.

[edit] ridiculous

Doesn't even mention hip hop, drum and bass.--74.128.175.60 17:25, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Then add them! Barnabypage 17:46, 9 August 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Fred Jordan

Where did anyone get the idea that Fred Jordan was from Yorkshire? He was born and lived all his life in Shropshire. I've removed the reference.

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