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[edit] Picture

Some dickhead put up a picture of an erect penis instead of the monument (pun very much intended). I took it off but I am not sure how to put the proper pic up. Please help.....

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 219.86.167.87 (talk) 14:33, 6 December 2006 (UTC).

[edit] Hall of Records

Borglum also carved a massive chamber in an area behind Lincoln's head that he intended for storage of the US governments most precious documents (Declaration of Independence, Constitution, etc). His argument to congress failed, but the US Park Service placed a vault on the site with representations of those documents as a time capsule of sorts. Borglum's plans also included placing a bust of every US President in the Hall. I am new to Wiki, so I am not sure how to go about editing/adding this info to the site.ChristopherTD 01:24, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Lock

Why is the article not locked ?? It is on the wikipedia front page ! Is this a change of policy ? Pradiptaray 03:09, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

  • Someone clearly forgot, it's ridiculously irritating to say the least. Phoenix2 03:27, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
  • This page absolutely needs to be locked or it will continue to be plagued by vandals Busterblew 03:37, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Definitely, it just got hit again. I clicked on "More", and all I saw was the quote "I LOVE REALLY BIG PENIS" (sic). Thankfully it was fixed about 15 seconds later, but come on, a featured article not locked? Highlander3751 03:43, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Currently, 6:55 EST PM December ^ 2006, there's a very offensive message that I refuese to repeat under the flora and fauna section that I ask a reputable member to remove.

We don't protect today's featured article.--Kchase T 03:58, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
Read it more carefully... we do protect the FA sometimes. --W.marsh 22:25, 6 December 2006 (UTC)


The entire history section was just deleted. Someone needs to fix that.

[edit] What is wrong with the MAD reference?

What makes a reference to MAD Magazine any less significant than The Simpsons, Family Guy, The Muppets, or Superman? Why don't these references get removed as well?

This is the finished edit, it was removed before I finished refining it:

On the cover of the February 1957 issue of MAD Magazine (Issue #31), the cover depicts Mount Rushmore with a fifth face as well, that of Alfred E. Neuman.[1]

The reference link takes you to a picture of the mentioned cover: Cover of Mad #31 (February 1957),

billdescoteaux 06:20, 06 December 2006 (UTC)

The point in the section above (though I'm sure the MOS has changed since it was written) is that the appearances section will balloon with examples unless limited to those where Mount Rushmore became more famous because of its appearance in the medium and Mount Rushmore's appearance was significant in the episode/issue/film/whatever. Actually, looking at this more closely, a cover on Mad Magazine probably did contribute to some of the mountain's already significant fame. I removed it because I was following the section's hidden note which says to remove an insertion if it doesn't link to an article that mentions M. R. Since it's a cover of a reasonably popular magazine, I may have been mistaken and for that I apologize. Nonetheless, some of the other examples you list should probably be removed, as they don't link to articles that mention M.R. either. I am going to do that now, but I'd appreciate it if we could stick to WP:1RR and discuss the insertion of any future appearance references before reverting over and over--this is not so much directed at billdescoteaux as it is at anyone else who may be contemplating inserting a reference.--Kchase T 06:29, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

I've seen the recent edit. Since the cover of that MAD issue certainly meets the criteria for M.R. appearing on it quite dominantly, maybe it could be reinserted, in a bullet-form like the other items? billdescoteaux 07:06, 06 December 2006 (UTC)

Sure. We should probably change either insert a reference to Mount Rushmore in one of the articles you want to link or change the guideline (both the hidden comments and make a comment in the section in this talk page). Which do you think is the better option?--Kchase T 07:12, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Well, as stated, I've provided a reference link. I will go ahead and insert the reference in bullet form. The link is also in this discussion, just prior to your first response of my inquiry. billdescoteaux 07:24, 06 December 2006 (UTC)

The purpose of an "Appearances in Popular Culture" section is to get a sense of how the subject is viewed and understood in society, not to provide additional factual knowledge about the subject. There's nothing in the The Muppets or Alfred Hitchcock that mention Mt. Rushmore, nor do those topics tell you much more about the monument per se. The appearance of Rushmore in Cabinet magazine/Matthew Buckingham's poster [1] provides exactly the sort of cultural understanding that an appearances section is for.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Blamblamblam (talk • contribs).

I wrote the comment in the "Appearances in Popular Culture" section because it was apparent a year ago that the section is a magnet for material that violates WP:NOT. Hundreds of appearances exist. Editors naturally think that that "their" instance is WP:N. However, we should be guided by WP:CONTEXT, Wikipedia:Avoid_trivia_sections_in_articles and Wikipedia:Trivia. --Walter Siegmund (talk) 15:08, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Or the "leader" addition to description of Crazy Horse

My edit which added two words to the "See also" section got reverted. I added the words Lakota and "leader", since saying that the Crazy Horse Memorial is a sculpture of a Native American is not saying much for someone who didnt read the article and just browsed through to the bottom.

Further, why are asymmetric references not appreciated for Mount Rushmore ? Reverse linking is simply not plausible in some cases, especially for magazines with thousands of issues, and often important content. I personally would like to think that the MAD magazine is more visible than something like The Family Guy. Pradiptaray 06:21, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Additional Cultural References

Clearly Mount Rushmore has been a big influence in the japanese anime "Naruto" where in Konohara (Hidden Leaf) Village, the main four leaders (Kage) have their faces carved into the living rock. This type of effect is promenant in many tv shows I think.

There is also a miniaturized version of Mount Rushmore in "the world in miniature" in Cornwall, and is also featured in the film "The Truman Show" when they use famous places to show he has visited externally to his "island". —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 87.252.32.77 (talk) 17:07, 6 December 2006 (UTC).

[edit] Racial Slur in Article

Black people are reffered to as animals as well as niggers in this article. this is highly inappropriate and offensive.

Its been dealt with. Gdo01 21:27, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
It was an act of vandalism. Such things happen from time to time, though as the front-page feature this article should have been locked today to prevent such meddling. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 4.232.225.165 (talk) 01:59, 7 December 2006 (UTC).

[edit] The Simpsons' Reference?

Lame Deer said the staff formed a symbolic shroud over the presidents' faces "which shall remain dirty until the treaties concerning the Black Hills are fulfilled." I remember an episode of The Simpsons with a statue that looks like the one with mount Rushmore, and it had a tree grow out of it's eye brow. Is it a reference to the staff? Lightblade 10:28, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Why was my appearances in popular culture addition, deleted? I wrote about Courage the Cowardly Dog and Dexter's Lab68.48.141.3 00:43, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Most likely, they did not satisfy Wikipedia policies and guidelines in the judgement of the editor that removed them. Please see WP:N, WP:NOT, WP:TRIVIA and WP:V, for example. Please see "What is wrong with the MAD reference?" above. You might have better results contributing to another section of the article. --Walter Siegmund (talk) 03:57, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Appearances

I have again removed almost every "appearance in popular culture" instance from the respective article section that doesn't link to an article that mentions Mount Rushmore in some way. As Walter Siegmund said above, hundreds of appearances in pop culture exist. Linking to everyone is not helpful to increase someone's understanding of Mount Rushmore (which is why I'd presume they are reading the article) when the next article makes no mention of Mount Rushmore. By contrast, when readers go to Deep Purple in Rock, for instance, the album cover there makes very clear the impact and cultural significance of Mount Rushmore, thereby informing the reader.

The one link I didn't remove is to the MAD TV issue, since there is an external link directly to a large image of the magazine cover and since Alfred E. Neuman is an extremely well-known face. This seems like a suitable exception.--Kchase T 04:31, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

What I'm going to say is a long strech, but I recommend just making a whole new seperate article called "Mount Rushmore's appearences and impact on popular culture and link it on this article. Then there wouldn't have to be a debate on which appearances are more important. If anyone thinks this is a good or bad idea, just respond. Thanks 68.34.239.31 06:53, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

I think it's a bad idea because it will simply invite the creation of a bigger list of trivia.--Kchase T 07:06, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
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