Talk:Monty Panesar

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Rahul Dravid did most definitely receive a harsh decision - he was bowled!

Agreed

Lol, guys - this isn't a chat page! Still I thought Monty did brilliantly in the 2nd Test. John Smith's 16:33, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Monty was fantastic in the 2nd test! Speedboy Salesman

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[edit] A bit fannish?

This article seems to come perilously close to a fan appreciation page at times. I can understand the feelings behind it - I think Monty's wonderful - but it's not really encyclopedic. Loganberry (Talk) 00:54, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

It definitely is. I won't be able to make many subtle changes until he comes to Australia this year.Blnguyen | rant-line 01:47, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
I totally agree with you please check out my section below.--StewartM82 14:32, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

I've done a rewrite to remove the blatant POV and some of the unencyclopedic fluff and personal opinions put in there over a period of time. I tagged the stuff which seems to be "fair call" but needs some substantiation and polish. Please have a look.Blnguyen | rant-line 02:27, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Hi everyone. I have gone through the "Cricket Ability" section to try and weed out some of the grammar issues, and to add some citations where possible. I have also noticed that a lot of this article has been opinion, part of which I am guilty of, so I have done my best to address any of those issues in an effort to make a more objectively-worded document.Robinwillott 12:31, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Fantastic work! This article is starting to look more like an encyclopaedia entry and less like a fan article. Keep up the good job.--StewartM82 15:08, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

i just made this[1] edit to the ashes section removing some POV. --Dan027 08:38, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Reads more like a newspaper report

This article stinks of rampant bias. It is obviously been written by a huge fan.

"Most consider him the top spinner in England."

No sources are supported here. Blatant weasel words. I have added the appropriate tag. Also it seems that the author here constantly interchanges between the first name and last name. Perhaps someone to go through a change all of the instances of Monty to Panesar.this further suggests to me that this article has been written by a fan.

"Monty is not a batsman, but can survive a good ball and can be considered a fighter. "

By who?

"The thought of an English spinner being able to take wickets with his stock delivery, as well as having a doosra spells exciting times for English cricket."

I have removed this sentence. It is not really informative and unnecessary.

This article is a good start however it reads more like a newspaper report that an encyclopaedia entry. --StewartM82 14:28, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

I think it's a bit unfair on the lad. As far as i am concern, he has done brilliantly for this country and i ready to praise him.

I think you have totally missed the point here. It's not about his cricketing ability nor his service to England. It's about trying to keep encyclopaedia standards within articles. I strongly suggest you first sign your posts, and you also check out Wikipedia:Guide to writing better articles. Specifically the part on weasel words. I have readded the weasel words tag. let's not turn this into an unnecessary edit war. If you are the author of this article don't take this the wrong way. Like I said initially, it's a good start however it needs some fixing.--StewartM82 15:54, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

I totally agree. However, I have been adding links to some articles to make sure all info is true.

I also agree, it is easy to lose sight of the need to apply objective rules to a subject that obviously inspires excitement and passion!

[edit] Headings, Subheadings and a Reorder

I have added headings and subheadings to this article. I have not changed any of the content though. Also, I have shuffled some of the text around. For example, have moved the personal life section to the end of the article. I think all of the cricket staff is more relevant. Not to say that the personal life section does not have a place here.--StewartM82 13:31, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Good work. This needed further order, i didn't think to do this at the time, but looking at it now, it works much better. Nice one!! Robinwillott 09:38, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The new fielding section

Great job on expanding this section. However you can't say "in most people's opinion" or things of this nature unless you have citations. added weasel words. --StewartM82 04:36, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Monty Panesar is a devout Jatt Sikh

This is an absurd statement ... Jatt is a caste and if he is a devout Sikh then he would not believe in the caste system ... a contradiction in terms.

AND just to put the records straight the name Panaser indicates he has origins from the Sikh Ramgharia caste and not Jatt. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Highwaytg (talk • contribs) 09:58, 15 December 2006 (UTC).