Talk:Mollusca

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[edit] Giant squid reference

RETARDED!!!! Shouldn't the reference to giant squid being among the most intelligent invertebrates be qualified since none have ever been observed alive (except their juveniles recently). Instead, perhaps it could be stated "octopus and squids are among the most intelligent invertebrates. The giant squid is the largest invertebrate, but only the tentacles and carcasses of the adults have ever been observed.. Something along those lines. --rgamble

I agree completely. Do you want to make the change? AxelBoldt~

I've done so. Minor nit, and the extrapolation was probably valid but... you never know. ;) --rgamble

I don't think it would do any harm to include a list of the different mollusks with links to their articles. Anyone? palefire

[edit] Titling

Pretty much every occurence of the term in the article itself is "mollusc" not "mollusk"; would it be more appropriate to move the page to Mollusc? Shimgray | talk | 20:20, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

Check the history, it seems to be one of those US vs The Rest spelling fights. --Paul 14:42, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
Ah, yes. What links here shows about even for mollusk/mollusc, so no help there, but the technical term is "mollusca"... huh. Either way, it'd be nice for the article to agree with the title. Shimgray | talk | 15:28, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
How about Mollusque ... which hasn't been used for centuries? I agree that the title should agree with the spelling used in the article. My preference is for mollusc but it's not up to me. According to WP:MOS, we should settle on whatever was the first spelling. Jimp 10Feb06
Looking back, it was originally a redirect to Mollusca, then that page was moved here "to the English title". Shimgray | talk | 16:04, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
Then looking back at the history of Mollusca shows something quite interesting. The very first comment comes from User:TrickyP who writes "Changed mollusc to the preferred spelling, mollusk." I can't see any eariler version but presumably it had mollusc. I don't know whether Tricky was aware that mollusk is not the preferred spelling outside the US. Jimp 06:29, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
I vote for Mollusc. There are more non-Americans than Americans. And science is international.
I vote for Mollusk. "sk" is usual, i.e. "desk", "task", "whisk", "risk", "mask" etc., "sc" is not i.e. "disc" (the only example I can think of). 64.194.44.178 19:16, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
The difference between "--sk" words and "--sc" words is etymology. The ones with "--sc" usually come from the Greek or Latin, the ones with "--sk" are usually Germanic, or else French, as a replacement for "--sque". So "disc" from "diskos", a Greek word for the round throwing object, spelled in Latin as "discus". Compare "whisk" with "viska", the same word in Swedish, or "mask" with "masque", almost the same word in Old French. "Mollusc" was coined by Linnaeus from the Latin but the original Latin word "molluscus" related to "mollis", meaning soft (as in the eider dusk, Somateria mollissima, who's species name means "most soft", a reference to its feathers). For whatever reason American English has replaced the "--sc" endings with "--sk" while British English keeps them. Since the word has no great antiquity, there isn't really a traditional one and both are used in science (though American journals tend to favour American spellings, and British journals British spellings). I happen to prefer mollusc because it is closer to Mollusca, but really I couldn't care less. Cheers, Neale Neale Monks 21:08, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the debate was move. —Nightstallion (?) Seen this already? 14:33, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Requested move

Mollusk → Mollusca |→ Spaully°τ 00:18, 17 April 2006 (GMT)

Rationale: Per WP:MOS which prefers the use of nationally neutral terms ("Where varieties of English differ over a certain word or phrase, try to find an alternative that is common to both." - see also Airplane and Aeroplane), I am posting a request at WP:RM to move this page to Mollusca, the name of the phylum this page deals with. I tried to move it myself, but the previous edit history at Mollusca dissallows this. All of your input would be very welcome. |→ Spaully°τ 00:12, 17 April 2006 (GMT)

[edit] Survey

Add *Support or *Oppose followed by an optional one-sentence explanation, then sign your opinion with ~~~~
  • Support. |→ Spaully°τ 00:23, 17 April 2006 (GMT)
  • Oppose. Should we move Cat to Felis, Dog to Canis, Lion to Leo, etc?? Georgia guy 00:30, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Support. WP:TOL advocates use of common names where they exist (although I'd have preferred the spelling mollusc, but it's too late for that now. --Stemonitis 13:21, 20 April 2006 (UTC) Hang on, I've just re-read the arguments. A nationally neutral term like "Mollusca" seems justified in this case. --Stemonitis 13:23, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Support. While it Wikipedia's policy certainly does prefer the usage of common name, this seems like a reasonable time to make an exception, as a compromise between two national spellings, however, we will still be left with the decision of which term to use in the body of the text, because, while mollusca makes a decent article title, it doesn't work well as a noun in a sentence.Cerealkiller13 16:21, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Support. Bactram 15:38, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Discussion

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Georgia guy - this move is because American english uses 'mollusk ' whereas the rest of the world uses 'mollusc '. There is no such difference with dog and cat. Given this, please read this part of the MOS for an explanation. |→ Spaully°τ 10:04, 17 April 2006 (GMT)

In response to Cerealkiller13's query about which spelling to use - there seems to be no reason to change the spelling from the current one (whatever that might be), provided it's consistent. --Stemonitis 07:24, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Squid

Recent studies have found that the collosal squid is now the biggest inverterbrate and I thought i'd just let you know.

[edit] How Many Species?

How many species of Mollusc are there? Phylum says 70,000. The introductory para says 112000, with a reference. Later on, the article says 250000. Can someone who knows the correct number please fix this? Thanks!

Short review about how many mollusca species exist is at http://www.mollusca.cz/malakologie/pocet.htm Unfortunatelly it is in Czech language. It is my article, I can translate it if you want. I have counted 82 067 species. --Snek01 18:40, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Science = Mollusca/Mollusk

A mollusk come from a Latin word MOLLUS that means " soft".

A coelom is a fluid filled cavity that develops within the mesoderm.

A mollusks have a soft body from a Latin word mollus meaning soft which generally protected by a very hard calcium containing shell.

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