User talk:Moe Epsilon/Archive October 2006

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Thanks that answered alot of my concerns.. and i agree the champonships and accomplishment heading does seem long for what it is. Also i dont know if you have noticed or not but recently i have been putting company subsections in wrestler bios in italics... see James Curtin, Andrew Simmons, Dudley Boyz... i dont know it may just be me but i did it by accident once and it seemed to fit nicely in the articles. esspecially in comparison with articles that dont do it like Christopher Daniels. anyway it was just an idea i toying with and i wanted your oppinion --- Paulley 10:18, 3 October 2006

Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Crzrussian 2

Could I get some more information about your removing the section headers at the rfa? Your summary said:

"removed section headers; they are making the RFA TOC unnessecarily long. We've had bigger RFA's that never had them, and this should't be an exception"

The TOC was exactly 5 lines long and was never going to get any longer, how was that "unnessecarily long"? As for what's happened before, perhaps no one ever thought to add them for easier navigation.

I'm not trying to make a big deal out of this, I just don't understand your reasoning—and I was quite frustrated trying to find the end of the section I wanted to add a comment to; that's going to get worse as the process procedes. Thanks.—Chidom ^talk  04:27, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

SITCIOT

I changed it to redirect to Click It or Ticket, I'll admit I'm not totally confident if this redirect is needed/related or not. So feel free to revert.--Andeh 15:59, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes, #2 will be fine. Good thinking.--Andeh 16:11, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Doc's "please refrain from editting Tony's page" comment

M.E. -
Doc knows he can tell it to me straight. While I would like to be able to communicate with Tony, if Mr. Glasgow reckons I'm just making it worse, I believe him. Thanks for the thought though!
brenneman ^{L} 02:47, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Objectivity

Search for this term still redirects to "Accuracy and precision". Why is that? Search for "Objectivity" should go to its disambiguation page, and "Accuracy and precision" should perhaps be placed on that page. Amerindianarts 00:25, 9 October 2006 (UTC) Sorry to bother. It appears the search function needs awhile to refresh. Amerindianarts 00:29, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

WP:RM

Your listing at WP:RM was improperly formatted. I'm assuming that it was a noncontroversial proposal, but it was listed in the controversial section with the wrong template and no discussion set up on the article's talk page. —Mets501 (talk) 01:53, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing it! See you around! —Mets501 (talk) 02:02, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

No, WP:RM has only had a noncontroversial section since yesterday or the day before :-) —Mets501 (talk) 02:03, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Re: Edit Count

Here you go:

Statistics for: Moe_Epsilon
(Permissions: N/A)
- Total: 23863 -
Main: 12014
Talk: 629
User: 2644
User talk: 5548
Wikipedia: 2322
Wikipedia talk: 477
Image: 102
MediaWiki talk: 1
Template: 98
Template talk: 2
Help: 3
Category: 17
Category talk: 1
Portal: 5

Total edits: 23863
w/ edit summary: 21158 (88.66%*)
w/ manual edit summary: 18039 (75.59%*)
Minor edits: 780 (3.26%*)
First known edit: Jul 10, 2005

• - percentages are rounded down to the nearest hundredth.
  

Let me know if you need anything else, or if you need help downloading the tool (it should work on most computers.) Thanks! Flcelloguy (A note?) 21:48, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Thank you

Thanks for reverting the vandalism on my userpage. --Rettetast 23:30, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

Thank you for reverting the vandalism on my page! I barely saw it before it was gone!  :-) Confiteordeo 20:23, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

RuthieK and page redirection

Sounds like exactly what needed to be done. My only concern would be whether or not that redirect should exist at all, or whether it would be considered 'pov' itself. --InShaneee 20:25, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Apparently, "arab" refers to speakers of Arabic, meaning this user is trying to make this about ethnicity. I'd nuke it, to be safe. --InShaneee 20:39, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Consider it nuke'd. :) --InShaneee 21:07, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Reverting at WWE roster page

I added a post on the talk page about it, see that before reverting it back. This problem needs a compromise. Snitsky is known as Gene Snitsky AND Snitsky, same goes for Mr. Kennedy/Ken Kennedy. RobJ1981 22:52, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes, how can we compromise though? We've tried compromising on Kennedy and TJ Spyke insists on changing it back despite WWE.com's references to him as Ken. For the same reason, I felt it should be Gene Snitsky, but it's just an edit war. And I really don't like it, but I'm trying to help make this page accurate. DaHumorist 18:53, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

WP:LA

The TOC is great. Any updating between active and semi-active is a waste of time, people go back and forth often and the Steve Block update will wipe out any changes anyway. Inactive is different, changes for people who have completely stopped editing or have returned is worth doing. But I think you just want to make my life difficult updating User:NoSeptember/List of Administrators ;). NoSeptember 06:53, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

re: Album covers

There's really no discussion to be had, or rather the discussion has already been had. Wikipedia has established policy regarding decorative use of fair use images, which is what I removed in the articles being discussed. Revert their removal again, and you will be the one contravening policy. By the way, thanks ever so much for the personal attack in calling me a "nuisance"; I really appreciate it. --keepsleeping slack off! 19:42, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

User:MarkS/Extra edit buttons/dev2.js

Thanks for letting me know about this. This came about because I wanted the page deleted. However, you can't add the deletion request template to a javascript page so I actually moved the page to a 'dev2' (without the .js at the end). As far as I know the dev2 page has been deleted. However, I forgot that the system would automatically create a redirect page so I'm still stuck with the original page which I don't know how to delete. Any ideas? --MarkS (talk) 20:13, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

agreement!

Yep...frogs raining from the sky, cats sleeping with dogs...I hope there's no bad feelings. Rx StrangeLove 20:45, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Request for arbitration

You is officially informed about this [1] Berton 00:31, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm back

Hi moe epsilon. China just lifted its ban on Wikipedia. I saw your post on my talk page. I'm happy that people actually noticed ;-)

You may not remember me anymore, but,

Regards, Exir Kamalabadi^{Join Esperanza!} 08:17, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

I saw your reply. Wikipedia has changed a lot. Radiant is back, Essjay and Redwolf24 is gone and the WikiProjects has changed a lot. PS. I don't think China will ban Wikipedia for long moments now, not after their ban-certain-articles policy. --Exir Kamalabadi^{Join Esperanza!} 23:02, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Can you tell me the full story of how Redwolf24 and Essjay left? Why did Redwolf24 go? What "other thing" in real life did Essjay pursue? --Exir Kamalabadi^{Join Esperanza!} 00:07, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Danny Phantom.

Fine. No personal attacks. This time, I hope you'll actually answer my damn question. Prove it. Prove I hate Danny Phantom. Prove that I am not able to form my own opinion of something, and that what you are saying about me is fact even when it has no evidence supporting it. - A Link to the Past (talk) 00:48, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

I couldn't give a crap about the AfD. At no point have I ever gotten annoyed over your viewpoint or even your cussing. I got annoyed, however, when you decided it would be appropriate to make accusations that didn't hold weight. Despite not being able to (and refusing to) prove what you said about me, you refuse to admit that you are wrong in making those claims. - A Link to the Past (talk) 01:10, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

What in the world are you talking about? I just stated that I don't care about your viewpoint and your cussing. And Hell, what ARE you talking about? Are you even reading what I am telling you? I told you that the only time I got annoyed with you is when you decided that you're in a better position to tell me what my opinion is than I am. When I said you should either admit that I am right or prove that you are right, I meant about what we are talking about - your baseless claims that I hate character articles and Danny Phantom. - A Link to the Past (talk) 01:18, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Because I only saw your edit. LttP's talk page is on my watchlist, yours hasn't been. --tjstrf 01:22, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

No, but it is a reason to warn you first. I didn't look over the other posts until just now. --tjstrf 01:26, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

When I was not here.

What other things happened when I wasn't here? Did anyone leave because of disputes? --Exir Kamalabadi^{Join Esperanza!} 03:32, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Danny Phantom discussion

Hello. You recently participated in a discussion on the possible deletion or merger of some Danny Phantom characters. While all the articles were kept, I noted that many of those commenting on the debate suggested merging some characters into a main list. Seeing this, I've compiled a list of some of the minor characters who may not need their own article, and would like the opinions of those who weighed in originally. You can participate in the discussion here. Ral315 (talk) 18:24, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Previous discussion

All I've ever been doing is showing that I was right in saying that you were making false accusations, and I have proved it. Now if you'll just admit I was right, we can go our separate ways. - A Link to the Past (talk) 20:06, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

I asked you to prove both, and you refused to for each and dodged the fact that you did say one thing for 100% certain saying "I didn't ask for you to prove that I lied about THAT", more or less. Also, check this out - "The way you are acting, it does seem like you have a bias towards the show." And of course, you'll say that because you didn't outright say I hated it but constantly pointed out that I seem to be biased. The idea that I can be biased against Danny Phantom is a moot point, because I've shown I'm not. You've argued that me saying that the show isn't notable enough to have character articles makes me seem biased, while I have said that I'm not. The fact that I'm not outweighs the fact that I don't want there to be Danny Phantom character articles. Now take back your statements about me and everything will be hunky dory. - A Link to the Past (talk) 20:31, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Then take back what you said. Not taking it back more or less means that you think those statements were correct. I didn't want there to be Danny Phantom character articles. At what point does this have anything to do with my opinion of the show? The only time I ever mentioned what I think of the show is that I like it, and yet the only possible interpretation of what I do is "I am biased against Wikipedia". - A Link to the Past (talk) 20:38, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

So you're saying that you didn't say that I had, without any doubt in your mind, that I don't like characters having articles? Should I trust you or my lying eyes? - A Link to the Past (talk) 20:50, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Enough

This argument is going nowhere and is becoming disruptive. You two are not going to become the best of friends anytime soon. Just leave each other be. -- Steel 20:51, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

It takes two to have an argument. Don't reply to him. -- Steel 21:00, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Well if he does that again action will be taken against him. In the meantime, no more edits to his talk page from you. -- Steel 21:05, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

RfAr

I repaired a mistake, my apologies.Berton 00:19, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Indonesian-sounding names adopted by Chinese Indonesians

Hey there - I'm impartial on this one, but there was a bit of wonder as to this edit of yours, and why you redirected an article on Indonesian naming patterns to a oppressive Indonesian leader (see this edit to WP:SPLICE). Anyhow, just letting you know and while I'm assuming good faith you may want to drop the fellow a note of explanation. Cheers, Snoutwood (talk) 15:59, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

That's pretty much what I figured - no worries, catch you around the wiki! Snoutwood (talk) 16:14, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Test

What is your source for him legally changing his name? TJ Spyke 21:45, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

The wrestler, Andrew "Test" Martin. You moved the page and said he legally changed his name, but you provided no source. TJ Spyke 21:50, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

WP:LA

I see that Steve Block just did an update. Your earlier edits caught most of the newly inactives beforehand, but many inactives that returned to active or semiactive, you did not get. You also made me decide to combine the active and semiactives on my list together, since such distinctions are unimportant to me (while inactive and former are important to me). Just some rambling thoughts :). Cheers, NoSeptember 11:43, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

I try to make my list useful by having differences between it and WP:LA (in fact, I added a bit about how the lists differ to my list). Given that, I'm OK with having both active and semi-active as separate sections at WP:LA, I just think we shouldn't get too obsessed with constantly keeping it perfectly updated. The point is, when someone wants to contact an admin that they are directed to the active ones, so that they get a better response, so removing semi-actives from the actives made sense (and was first implemented in July 2005 IIRC). NoSeptember 14:00, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Adminship

It is incorrect to list me along with users who lost their adminships as a result of arbcom sancation. The case you referred to was a "spurious arbitration on relatively flimsly evidence" according to Neutrality and Snowspinner. Instead, I gave up my adminship by quitting Wikipedia. I assume you are acting in good faith, however, as I cannot expect you to be familiar with the details of a case that came up before you even became a Wikipedia editor. 172 | Talk 09:49, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

I don't appreciate the tone of your reply on my talk page. I am not a user in bad standing. I am one of Wikipedia's veteran editors, and I have donated quite a lot of time to this site for which I probably could have been paid for the same kind of work anywhere else. And I did not abuse my adminship. If you have no interest in discussing this matter with me, take it to the arbcom for clarification. I recommend asking Simon P in particular, who assured me once by email that he would clarify things to any user under the confusion with which you're dealing. 172 | Talk 03:56, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Look, I think you are a good, well-intentioned user, and you're merely confused about a situation which took place before you started work on the site. I don't want us to be on bad terms. I'm sorry if my replies to you came across as terse earlier. If you want, we can can both go ahead and restore the messages from each other on our respective pages and settle this matter in a more friendly manner. 172 | Talk 04:15, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Do you have an email account to which I can send some exchanges with arbitrators? I also recommend you take a look at this comment [2] by long-time arbitrator Neutrality noting that I gave up my adminship. 172 | Talk 04:22, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

AfD

Are non-admins allowed to close AfDs with a clear consensus to be kept? Exir Kamalabadi^{Join Esperanza!} 09:09, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes they can. --Terence Ong _{(T | C)} 09:33, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Birthday

I convey my best wishes on your birthday. All the best! --Bhadani 00:01, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

I know Wikipedia is highly addictive, and it makes one forget so many personal things! I do believe that you must have surely forgotten your birthday. --Bhadani 00:12, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Happy Birthday!

Wishing you all the best on your birthday! From the Wikipedia Birthday Committee.

Esperanza wishes you a Happy Birthday!!

• On behalf of everyone at Esperanza, I would like to wish you a very happy birthday and all the best in the future! Jam01 05:40, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Happy Birhtday mate! Dfrg.msc ^{1 . 2 . 3} 05:46, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

• Happy birthday! Have a good year ahead of you, all the best in the future. --Terence Ong _{(T | C)} 08:18, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Do you want me to nominate you for an adminship?

I would gladly nominate you if you allow me to. Exir Kamalabadi^{Join Esperanza!} 04:55, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

I'd endorse :) — Deckiller 04:58, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

You should, even if it's just for fun. — Deckiller 05:02, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Exactly; might as well take a shot. — Deckiller 05:06, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Okay, I would like MASS CO-NOMINATION. Anyone intrested in co-nominating him, sign up below. Post your co-nom message HERE!!!!!!! --Exir Kamalabadi^{Join Esperanza!} 08:16, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

My mass co-nomination scheme is working!!! Mwahahahaha!!! More, More co-noms! Moe, can you tell me you closest wikifriends? I will ask them to co-nom too. --Exir Kamalabadi^{Join Esperanza!} 04:52, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Happy Esperanza Birthday!

Esperanza congratulates you!

Happy Birthday--Prince of Dharma 11:44, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Hope you have a wikihappy birthday! Randfan 23:35, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Oops, this is a rather late Happy Birthday congratulation. I didn't realize this was your birthday. Anyways, happy birthday!!!! --Exir Kamalabadi^{Join Esperanza!} 04:58, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Esperanza wishes you a Happy Birthday!!

Happy birthday

Have a good one! -- Samir धर्म 00:06, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Hope that it's great!!!! Prsgoddess187 00:08, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Happy birthday, my friend. Daniel5127 (Talk) 05:31, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Your b-day reply

Hey! No problem, it is your special day and you deserve it! Randfan 00:57, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

No Prob

It is your special day, someone needs to do it, Semper Fi is my personal motto--†hε þяínce öf ɒhaямa ^{Talk to Me} 00:59, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Happy birthday, Mr Moe. :) I hope I'm not too late in wishing you a very happy day. Sarah Ewart (Talk) 11:42, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Tell that to the good men who just lost their lives. Semper Fi! Hope your birthday was a good one. ^{Well Drawn} Charlie 18:54, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

Very kind of you. I know I can be a noodge about giving people the benefit of the doubt and arguing for 'positive reinforcement' over blocks. I really appreciate your seeing the value in that or in my efforts in spite of that. :] --CBD 11:48, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Guidel

"Guidelines aren't debatable unless you want to change them"

I know you know better than this. Guidelines are just guidelines, they aren't policy. A guidelines which says "as a last resort..." isn't reason to move an article from a location where it hs been stable for years. If we undid everything that conflicted with the MoS or some other guideline, we'd have to delete half of Wikipedia and change the other half. Guettarda 01:31, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

RFA

Moe, It doesn't matter. I'll nominate you as a New Year gift on 2007. Stay surprised!

PS. I'd like to be more active on the community side of things after being mainly concerned with article and maintainence. What do you think is a good start, a good way to engage actively in discussions?? --¿¡Exir Kamalabadi?!^{Join Esperanza!} 12:23, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Mets

No, he hasn't admitted his mistake. And that's the problem. He insists that it was nothing more than an difference of opinion, and that there is no reason why he should listen to someone who is "just his equal". He has a string of egregious actions

• His "close" of an RM in which he ignored a series of votes. While he may be within his "rights" to throw out votes, he isn't within his rights to simply pretend that opinions were not cast. He also seems to think that it's ok to insult his fellow editors with imperious remarks. He claims the issue is a "difference of opinion". If someone thinks that the difference between facts and fantasy are a "difference of opinion" then they have no right to be in a position of authority anywhere (except maybe in the Bush government).
• His threats to Jooler were abusive. Mets was the one who was doing what the claimed Jooler was doing. His block was doubly abusive - not only was he blocking for a non-existent violation, he was also blocking an editor in the middle of a dispute. He has not apologised to Jooler, he has not acknowledged these violations, he has not indicated that he will not block in violation of policy in the future.
• When I informed him of his mistake, he refused to correct his mistake. If someone tells you that you have made a mistaken block, and you really don't know what the policy is, you unblock and find out what the policy actually is. You don't reply petulantly, you don't say "too bad, screw you".

He is clearly unsuited to be an admin. His actions violate policy, they violate community norms. A new admin is likely to be ignorant of these things - which is why you need to find things out before you act. Irresponsible admins act first and figure things out later. It isn't good, but there are lots of people who work like that. That's still ok, if you are willing to correct your mistakes when they are pointed out to you. Mets has done nothing of the sort, and based on his latest email, to which I was responding, he has no intention of doing anything of the sort.

I have no idea why you have taken it upon yourself to defend such egregious behaviour. As his defender, you should be setting him straight, not harrassing me. I simply replied to his "wrong and strong" message to me. He shouldn't have gotten past RFA. That's painfully obvious. If you want to be his defender, try to get a commitment from him to stop violating policy. You know better. I really didn't expect this kind of bullshit from you. Guettarda 20:56, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

This is the kind of behaviour you are defending? Guettarda 01:03, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Colour

Nice design, but...is there any chance you could make the background slightly lighter, so that the text is readable on most screens? colr.org is a good site for colour codes. Cheers, Daniel.Bryant 23:45, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I basically have to highlight it to see the text too. —Mets501 (talk) 02:39, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

You don't "have to change it", I would just recommend it. It's not impossible to read it, just very difficult. Perhaps make the text white and keep the background color? —Mets501 (talk) 02:50, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Looks great now! Tons easier to read! —Mets501 (talk) 03:16, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Ditto! Very easy to read now. Cheers, Daniel.Bryant 08:43, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Re: Request a move help

Moe Epsilon wrote:

Hi Gurch. I was wondering if you could perform a move for me. It's located at Economy (activity) needing to be moved to Economy. I was closing a less than active discussion on the issue and when I went to move it, I was unable to. Could you please move this for me? Thanks! semper fi — Moe 04:55, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Done – Gurch 05:08, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Barnstar

		Esperanza Barnstar
		I award you the Esperanza Barnstar for your valued contributions to Esperanza. Best regards. Húsönd 19:11, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Semper Fi

I noticed your note on the wiki admin boards signed with "Semper Fi". Just wanted to give a shout out to a 'fellow Marine'. I was in the Corps from 1987-1994 when I transferred into the Army Reserve/Guard and am coming up on my "20" soon. Rarelibra 14:00, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Official myspace links

I note you removed a link to Kathryn Holloway MySpace page. We reciently had a discussion about this on Wikipedia talk:External links and the consensus was strongly in favor of keeping MySpace links when they are the article subject MySpace page. --Salix alba (talk) 00:43, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

There is An article about any organization, person, web site, or other entity should link to that entity's official site, if there is one. --Salix alba (talk) 00:54, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Esperanza User Page Award

Congratulations, Moe Epsilon, you have been nominated for the Esperanza User Page Contest! The judges have received the fifteen entries, and are ready to start judging. The judges will take a week to complete the judging process, and they will contact all the participants when the judging is done.

Please drop by the contest page for contest updates and questions. Take care, and good luck! Daniel.Bryant ^{[ T · C ]} 09:37, 31 October 2006 (UTC)