Talk:Model rocket
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[edit] Cleanup
Could you be more specific regarding the confusing format? What is confusing about it? The more detail you can provide, the better it will be in the end. --Cassavau 03:54, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
- The amateur section should probably not be the first section. The controversy section should probably be shorter -- it is disproportionately long and talks about things (eg amateur propellant making and details of regulations) that probably don't really belong in this article. Evand 04:04, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
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- Thanks, that is very helpful. If nobody else works on it, I'll try to get to it tonight or over the weekend. --Cassavau 16:18, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
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- I believe we've addressed the concerns noted and have therfore removed the cleanup tag. --Cassavau 14:00, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Seperate Articles for Amateur and High-Power
This article is about model rockets. There should be seperate pages for Amateur and High-Power rocketry. Also, why is it called Model Rocket when the article starts "Model Rocketry is..." ? Should the title be changed to Model Rocketry ? Troggulus 18:49, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
- Yep, there probably should be a seperate page for Amateur. Not so sure about High-Power yet. Perhaps the title should be changed to Model Rocketry with a redirect from Model Rocket as well. --Cassavau 03:52, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Reversion and nation-specificity
I reverted edits that added links to and comments regarding rocketry in Argentina. They seemed to be out of place in the English version of wikipedia. Is this an acceptable reversion? I'm still pretty new, so I welcome comments and criticism. --Cassavau 03:16, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
- I should also note I checked the external links which had been added and neither one seems to work. --Cassavau 03:24, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Notable Events Section
I added a section for notable events. I added the CSXT space flght to this section. I envision other historically-significant moments in model rocket history here. Any comments on the utility or appropriateness of this section? Cassavau 13:57, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
- The CSXT flight is well deserving of mention, but not in this article. It was an amateur rocket, definitely, and a high power rocket depending on the details of your definition, but was not in any way a "model rocket." I would venture a guess that the people involved wouldn't like it being called that either. Perhaps move the mention to a separate amateur rocketry article? (I've been meaning to create an amateur rocketry article to go along with the model / hpr pages, but life has been busy what with, well, amateur rocketry...) Evand 04:00, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
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- Indeed, I created the Amateur Rocketry page earlier, and this section/event should be moved there. --Cassavau 03:17, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
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- Done. --Cassavau 03:21, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
- Perhaps this section should be replaced by a history / timeline section? I'm sure someone who knows a bit more about it than I do could come up with a fair amount to put there. That would seem a better fit than notable events. Evand 05:19, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
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- In my opinion, that would be fantastic. I don't know enough of that history, which is why I hadn't added anything of that type. --Cassavau 05:21, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Made some changes
I made a lot of changes to this page. I changed some headings to make them more sensible and consistent.
I also moved some sections around to make them more logically oranized.
I added a section on recovery systems, but I'm not satisfied with the placement of this section. Comments/suggestions on this please.
Added some information to the motors section, spec. about the D and E reloadable APCP motors for model rockets. (APCP isn't just for high-power).
I didn't touch the amateur/experimental section as I am not involved with that.
- Nicely done statsone 17:47, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
--Cassavau 17:42, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Request for external link addition
- I would like to make a formal request to add http://www.celtickane.com/rocketry to the external links section of this page. It is my own website, so I wouldn't like to add it myself, but I would prefer that someone else review the website, and make the decision to add it. It contains valuable information for model rocket enthusiasts regarding building homemade rockets and rocketry parts. --Sugarskane 03:54, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
``In the contemporary U.S." is pretentious. Just say, ``In the United States today.."
I just linked to http://www.bmr615.org/hobby_faq_s They looked word-for-word identical in the sections I compared.
- They got their version from us. At the very bottom of the page is the line '...and from the Internet-based encyclopedia "Wikipedia."'. They're free to re-use Wikipedia content, as long as they give us credit. --Carnildo 04:22, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
- I don't see where linking to http://celtickane.com/rocketry adds anything to the entry. It would mostly serve the owner of the celtickane.com page. See my comments below. I don't think pages such as these are appropriate in this entry. --Cassavau 16:47, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
In fact, most of the commercial links seem to violate WP:EL, so unless someone objects in the next week or so, I plan on removing them. --Cassavau 18:15, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] links
Would it not be better to split the "External Links" into three sections?
The "External Links" would remain for two new sections called "Commercial Web Sites" and "Personal Web Sites" would be added.
- That's a good idea. I've already thought of doing something like that. Willy Logan 20:36, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
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- Done. --statsone 22:39, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
Why should we have commercial and personal web sites linked here at all? Links to the NAR and Tripoli perhaps, as the two major rocketry organizations which certify motors and flyers. Having personal pages and commerical pages here would seem to violate WP:EL in that these pages don't necessarily add anything more that should be here, and some of them link to pages designed only to sell things. --Cassavau 16:45, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Amateur rocketry
TRA sanctions EX rocketry, with some limits. They don't require any standardised designs, but they do require a (slightly) restricted choice of fuels. For example, I'm working on hybrids made out of PVC pipe ([1]), which can't be said to be a "standard" design at all. However, they do have a strong resemblance to other hybrid motors. "Relatively standard" seems an appropriate phrasing. Evand 20:27, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Controversy
"Greater regulatory emphasis may therefore be directed at amateur rocketry itself."
Is there any reference for this? I haven't heard of any such thing, so I believe it is pure speculation. If there isn't a reference I will delete it soon. Evand 22:08, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
I had asked and the comment back was "...Most of the article lacks citation" statsone 23:37, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
"federal and state authorities incorrectly allege that model rockets can be modified to act as weapons"
The word "incorrectly" seems perfectly appropriate here -- there is no sound evidence to support these claims, and plenty of evidence against them -- including tests conducted by these same agencies! Evand 02:16, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Proposed History Section
I'm putting a working version of a history section here, until it is deemed ready for inclusion in the main article. Please add/comment below. --Cassavau 04:31, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
- I'm all for it, I like the timeline. I can take some pictures of some model rockets I own, Estes Big Daddy, Big Bertha, Baby Bertha, Skywriter and others I own if you feel it would improve the article. Please reply on my page. Thanks, Tom 05:20, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Historical Timeline
1954—Orville Carlisle develops the Rock-A-Chute Mark I rocket and disposable black-powder rocket motors.
c. 1957—Orville Carlisle reads an article by G. Harry Stine about the danger of amateurs building rockets and rocket motors.
1957 —National Association of Rocketry founded by Orville Carlisle and G. Harry Stine.
1957 —Orville Carlisle and G. Harry Stine found Model Missiles, Incorporated to manufacture models rockets and motors.
1958 —Vern Estes founds Estes Industries, the second commercial manufacturer of model rocket motors.
1970 — Estes Industries introduces the D motor [1].
1990 - Aerotech Consumer Aerospace introduces reloadable motors. [2]
[edit] External Links
I have removed external links to discussion forums as they are a violation of WP:EL. -- MakeChooChooGoNow 17:06, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
