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some of the issues come from articles in dutch.

Mion 13:33, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

Contents 1 ==Transparency== 2 Transparency 3 holiday 4 Open Travel Alliance template 5 transparency 6 Mediation 7 Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Quova 8 Adding Cat Sections 9 Water fuel cells 10 Barnstar for Work on Fuel Cells and Hydrogen 11 Smartfish translation 12 Hydrogen vehicle 13 Categorisation of hydrogen vehicles 14 Your Translation Request 15 test 16 energy template 17 :) 18 Swedish Wikipedia wishlist 19 MixAlco process 20 Hydrogen technology? 21 Category:Hydrogen biology 22 Template:OTA 23 Hydrogen vehicule 24 Photogeneration 25 Fotolyse 26 Signpost updated for October 9th. 27 Nuclear section 28 grappig 29 Signpost updated for October 16th. 30 Deleting interwiki links 31 Signpost updated for October 23rd. 32 Argon laser 33 CUTE translated 34 Signpost updated for October 30th. 35 Signpost updated for November 6th. 36 Signpost updated for November 13th. 37 Signpost updated for November 20th. 38 Signpost updated for November 27th. 39 de:Nukleare Sicherheit 40 Signpost updated for December 4th. 41 Thank you! 42 Signpost updated for December 11th.

[edit] ==Transparency==

Hi, thanks for helping with Wikipedia. Please do not rename articles from more appropriate titles just so they can be consistant on a disambiguation page. Please read The Manual of Style, the naming conventions, and the Disambiguation Pages Manual of Style for more information. Thanks! Scott Ritchie 01:07, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for helping with Wikipedia. Please do not rename articles from more appropriate titles just so they can be consistant on a disambiguation page. Please read The Manual of Style, the naming conventions, and the Disambiguation Pages Manual of Style for more information. Thanks! Scott Ritchie 01:07, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Hello Scott, I have been reading the styles, (thanks), and it was the only way to get bad interwiki links removed, the EN and NL wiki are now a bit in line, the german one still directs to transparence in optics., still working on it.

Regards, Mion 22:48, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Transparency

Hello Mion. Thanks for you input on Transparency.

I have a few points in answer to your comments:

• The page was way off the guidelines laid down in MoS:DP, which was the reason why my edits were so extensive.
• You will see that most of my edits actually mentioned MoS:DP, i.e. I have quoted a normative reference. Your reversal of my edits did not mention any normative reference. Please do not revert changes which are clearly made under the auspices of existing guidelines unless you can quote a better normative reference for your position.
• You reversed more edits than you actually qualified. Please do not make wholesale changes without qualification.

Please can you make sure you have read and understood MoS:DP before making any further changes to this page?

Thanks, Duckbill 11:31, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Also, you should be sure to have read and understood WP:D as well. Thanks, Duckbill 11:42, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

I will re-make each change individually, quoting the normative reference for every single change. You should not reverse any of these changes unless you can identify a reason which outweighs my normative references. Thanks, Duckbill 11:47, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

I'd like to invite you two to continue your discussion (and others) at Talk:Transparency, so that others can be involved. -- Ravn 11:49, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] holiday

• I.m off for holiday, back around 20-3, so the mediation gets more time. Reg. Mion 12:10, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Open Travel Alliance template

I've raised some questions at Template talk:OTA, and as I see you created it I hope you'll be able to address some of them. Much appreciated. -choster 03:01, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] transparency

Talk:Transparency sorry, just back from holiday, mediation is still wanted. could you have a look ? Thanks Mion 14:30, 18 March 2006 (UTC) Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2006-02-14 Transparent - unsupported reverts by Mion Mion 14:32, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Yes gr. Mion 16:33, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

yes, a revert on transparent (transparency is fine), and links to the other page on each page. Transparent Mion 00:59, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Why das it need a new mediator ? Gr. Mion 22:57, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

I have been the mediator and I'm no longer available for this mediation case. Your communication was too confused and I have no intention to decode what you were trying to say. Please ask somebody else.

Reply --Fasten 19:06, 13 April 2006 (UTC) Ok. thanks.Mion 19:09, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mediation

It appears user:Duckbill has not edited since March 30, so I'm not sure if anything can be done about the mediation case at Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2006-02-14 Transparent - unsupported reverts by Mion, unless there is something I'm missing. If help is still needed, what would you like to be done? Cowman109^Talk 20:15, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

The page transparent is now a redirect. to transparency. revert transparent to its former state, ad a link on it to transparency, same on the page transparency, "for transparent go to". Reg. Mion 14:26, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Quova

Please take a look at the nomination instructions before you nominate another article (or figure out what went wrong last time). Instead of posting your nomination to the Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Quova page, you added it to the end of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/David Jason Silver. Nothing big, but I thought you should know. BTW, I'm Dutch too. - Mgm|^(talk) 12:34, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

• De categorie wordt automatisch toegevoegd als je de template gebruikt, maar het is helaas geen vervanging voor de complete procedure (hoewel in sommige gevallen WP:PROD kan worden gebruikt. Het is eigenlijk heel simpel:

1. Type {{subst:afd}} boven aan het artikel en bewaar.
2. Volg de link naar de discussie pagina voor de verwijdering van het artikel (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Example_Title)
3. Noteer je nominatie.
4. Plaats de link op Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/Today door {{Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Example_Title}} aan de lijst toe te voegen (let op de haakjes).

Als je hulp nodig hebt met een nominatie, laat het me weten. - Mgm|^(talk) 13:03, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

• Great! See you later.. - Mgm|^(talk) 15:19, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Adding Cat Sections

Hi , I see you're bizzy with adding proper cat's to hydrogen related and other articles, and removing them from the see also sections. I used to do the same, but, there are people aka the cat cleaners who wil clean out all the categories from the article except 1, naming it tuning the cat. (thats why you see so many See Also links) which will result in no right categories anymore, and the See Also links are also gone. It's just a note, i appreciate your contributions .reg. Mion 21:33, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the note Mion. I think it isn't a good idea for the categories to be cleaned out in the Environment section as there are so many interrelating forces with climate change and man's impacts/technologies. How are people supposed to understand the different issues at stake when Wikipedia may try and box things off too much?--Alex 09:56, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

I totally agree with you, however cat cleaners can't be stopped, if you don't know the proper name and it isn't mentioned in the article its hard to find the related article. The templates function quite good, i had a look at the hydrogen technology page, a sort of listing, is it the start for a portal ? reg. Mion 11:08, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

I am working on the WikiProject Environment especially environmental technologies. Presently they are quie disjointed and in different vague categories such as Sustainable Technologies and a template that had been badly designed- {{environmental technology}}. Really its just working on these to bring a more logical approach. WikiProject Environment does need a portal although I think this would be beyond my abilities at this stage. Cheers --Alex 11:21, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Yes, but making a listing of fuel cells which are already in the Template:FuelCellGroup, its more simple to make 1 link to the template. For the others links, maybe its better to ad a horizontal line Hydrogen technology in Template:Sustainability and energy development group. This template is already under most of the articles. just an idea.

And Nuclear is not a clean energy. reg. Mion 11:58, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm quite relaxed as to the format. Its more the interelations between environmental technologies I am concentrating on. I never claimed Nuclear is a clean energy but some advocate its use in the production of hydrogen. It's a balance between fossil fuel emissions, production of hydrogen using nuclear or ideally production using renewable resources. --Alex 14:39, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Good work on the new categorising of Category:Hydrogen

[edit] Water fuel cells

I know you are working on the fuel cells category are you aware of this article- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_fuel_cell it was not in the fuel cell category.--Alex 13:23, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Barnstar for Work on Fuel Cells and Hydrogen

		The Technology Barnstar
		Awarded for your continuing work related to hydrogen and fuel cells --Alex 12:42, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Hi Mion, I've been looking Category:Hydrogen and it is expanding well. I suggest it might be useful thinking of subcategorys to group related subjects. --Alex 16:34, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Smartfish translation

Just wanted to tell you that I translated the Smartfish article you requested from German WP. --Greenb 23:28, 4 September 2006 (UTC) Hallo GreenB, thanks for the translation on Smartfish, can you help me out with the other items ? Wikipedia:WikiProject_Hydrogen#Getting_found_articles_translated_into_the_EN_wikipedia. reg Mion 04:14, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Sure, but I don't know a lot about Hydrogen etc. If it's OK with you, I'll just translate from German, feel very free to correct any mistakes (linguistic and factual). When I finish translating an hydrogen-related article, do I just cross it out on the WikiProject like you did with Smartfish? I need to know because I just finished Fiat Panda Hydrogen. --Greenb

[edit] Hydrogen vehicle

Do you agree with the changes made by User:PotomacFever to the Hydrogen vehicle article and other hydrogen-related articles? I am referring to that editor's changing the article to say that burning hydrogen made from fossil fuels creates fewer emmissions (rather than more emissions, which the article said before) than burning the fossil fuels directly. Please let me know what you think. Thanks. --Ssilvers 02:53, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

This discussion ? Talk:Hydrogen_vehicle#Polllution_from_producing_hydrogen:_citation_needed Mion 12:20, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Under the heading "Research and prototypes" PotomacFever changed the article 180 degrees to read: Current hydrogen production methods utilizing hydrocarbons produce less pollution than would direct consumption of the same hydrocarbon fuel, gasoline, diesel or methane, in a modern internal combustion engine. Hydrogen will generate less CO2 than conventional internal combustion engines if emissions throughout the entire fuel cycle are compared ^{[1] [2]} and thus would contribute less to atmospheric radiative forcing per mile driven.

If you look at the edit history, you can run PF's changes -- Ssilvers 12:49, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Original text: However, current hydrogen production methods utilizing hydrocarbons produce more pollution and cost per mile driven, than would direct consumption of the same hydrocarbon fuel, gasoline, diesel or methane, in a modern internal combustion engine. To reduce pollution and reliance on fossil fuels, sustainable and cost effective methods of hydrogen production and containment would have to be improved beyond current capabilities. The costs of producing, containing, and distributing hydrogen are likely to go up as the costs of fossil fuels goes up from declining supply and increasing demand.Mion 13:12, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

He is right: While numerical estimates of efficiency are notoriously unreliable, Gorte says, fuel cells will be much more efficient than the internal-combustion engine. And by several important measures—including the amount of carbon dioxide produced—they will be cleaner. “Because efficiency is just the amount of energy you get out of burning a given amount of fuel, if you can get twice as much energy from a given amount of fuel, then you don’t have to burn as much fuel—and you make less CO2.” [[1]], espescially now they start the methane reforming inside the car (Honda)(evading extra transportation loss of the fuell).reg. Mion 13:23, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Key is the effinciency inside the fuell cells compared to the efficiency inside the combustion engine.

And the section needed to be updated in time, it was too old.Mion 13:25, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! -- Ssilvers 13:59, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Categorisation of hydrogen vehicles

I have moved things around for you ready for expansion. The Category:Hydrogen cars needs not be deleted. Instead can be a subcategory of Category:Hydrogen vehicles where you can expand to include Hydrogen planes, airships etc. This way you have a logical structuring of the categories. Some of the categories will be small to start off with but I'm sure they will expand as WikiProject Hydrogen develops. --Alex 08:03, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Did you hear the news relating to Boeing developing a new prototype hydrogen plane this weekend? --Alex 08:09, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

No problems with the subcategorisation, I like it as its logical in its structuring unlike some of the jumbled categories that are found on wikipedia, but I have no issues with you altering it back. Alex 08:39, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

To do renaming or deleting of categories its a bit of a pain, you need to go to this page [2]

I was just wondering where you are from Mion? You mention you are able to work in German and Dutch.--Alex 09:04, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

I am English living in Manchester. I have a few friends in the Netherlands, some of them who were in the UK when I was younger and some I have met when I travel to Tel Aviv. --Alex 09:35, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Excellent beach, spent a long time there!

[edit] Your Translation Request

Hi. I translate from fr.wikipedia to en.wikipedia, and I saw a request from you here to translate a 2-sentence article (fr:Tanja Ostojic). The german article is far better and larger, so I moved your request to the German bio request page. Hope you get the requested translation soon! --Storkk 14:17, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] test

gone

[edit] energy template

I already split the template into multiple templates and went through and updated every page that was listed in the template. However, if you can think of anyway to improve of it, you can go ahead. Behun 04:11, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit]  :)

Samsara (talk • contribs) 09:03, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Swedish Wikipedia wishlist

Hello! I see you have edited the lists of requested articles on Swedish Wikipedia, by adding links to English Wikipedia. I am afraid that such links do more harm than good. /Yvwv 01:14, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] MixAlco process

Hi Mion, please take a look at this article that has reference to hydrogen. I'm borderline considering it as an advert but it has some useful info on it. --Alex 08:14, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Hi Mion, didn't realise I started up such a huge debate! Personally I agree with you, whether or not it is a registered trademark the name is the main sticking point of this article. It is clearly an interesting article worth keeping however I believe it should be a more encyclopedic title rather than a sales pitch. The name is not in itself broadly recognised as the technology is new and is not proven at fullscale as far as I can see. Statements such as "Because of the many products that can be economically produced, the MixAlco process is the true embodiment of a biorefinery" seem like marketing spin as opposed to a factual article. --Alex 08:18, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

I have removed a number of plugs to the MixAlco process that do not need to be there. A single mention of the commercial process name in the main text and references should be sufficient. I have also consulted with User:Velela on a article name change. --Alex 08:41, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

I have moved article as per discussion. --Alex 10:42, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

This guy doesn't give up. He is signing off and making alterations with 24.250.142.78 adding the Mixalco process to articles like anaerobic digestion. [3]. I have modified and wikified his work to make it suitable for wikipedia, yet he reverts useful edits to include reference to Mixalco. --Alex 08:48, 4 October 2006 (UTC

Thanks Mion, The vandal tool works well but is a little bit tedious unless you have a real apetite to repetetively revert all of the crap people vandalise wikipedia with!--Alex 16:51, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hydrogen technology?

Hydrogen fusion redirects to nuclear fusion. Consider a hydrogen technology?--Alex 08:33, 22 September 2006 (UTC). No, see Nuclear power phase-out.Mion 10:18, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Category:Hydrogen biology

I have created a new subcategory to take in biological processes related to hydrogen, of which there are many! --Alex 08:33, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Template:OTA

I have done what you asked to the template, in case you want to know how to do it I simply surrounded it like so:

<div class="NavFrame" style="margin:0.5em 0; padding: 5px;">
<div class="NavHead" style="background:#ccccff;">Box title</div>
<div class="NavContent" style="text-align: center; font-size: 90%; padding: 0;">
Content
</div></div></div>

I hope this helps. Lcarsdata (Talk) 12:01, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

I have fixed it, I had to add

<div class="NavFrame" style="border-style:none; padding:0px;">

to the top and a div to the bottom. Lcarsdata (Talk) 12:14, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hydrogen vehicule

In this article [4] of the French newpaper Le Monde, Takeo Fukui, CEO of Honda says (line 3/4) :

Dès 2008, Honda va franchir une étape en devenant le premier constructeur capable de commercialiser aux Etats-Unis et au Japon, auprès du grand public, une voiture à pile à combustible (fonctionnant à l'hydrogène).

meaning:

As early as 2008, Honda will go through a new step in becoming the first manufacturer [le premier constructeur] able to sell [commercialiser] in the United States and Japan, for the public, a full cell powered car [une voiture à pile à combustible] (working with hydrogen).

Or, after a quick look at Google News : [5]

[edit] Photogeneration

Hi Alex, can you have a look at Photoelectrochemical cell I'm not sure the term Photogeneration is correct for the second type. thanks. reg .Mion 10:49, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Hi Mion, looks like an interesting article but I do not know if this is the correct term or not. --Alex 07:58, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fotolyse

Tja, ik heb de NL wiki voorgoed vaarwel gezegd. Er lopen daar teveel mensen rond die de sfeer verzieken. Errabee 12:42, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Nuclear section

Hi, i see you are putting a lot of time and effort in the article, so just go on, some points need more consensus, my guess is we both want a better article. Cheers. Mion 03:23, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Of course we both want a better article. :-) Too bad everyone can't agree on what "better" means...

Can you return the nuclear section to the original version? Those quotes were mistakenly moved to the Sustainable energy article, but they don't belong there, since they're about "renewable" energy. — Omegatron 04:41, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes, stupid action from me, i'll put it back. reg.09:33, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for putting it back. You'll probably be reverted, though. :-\ As you probably noticed, there's a group of people who absolutely hate that section of the article, and won't let it stay unless it says:

"Nuclear energy is clearly not renewable, but a few evil people are trying to say that it is. But they're only doing that because they're evil and they're trying to steal government funding away from real renewable projects and put it into their dirty nuke plants."

Of course such a section is not neutral. If we're going to be neutral, we need to describe the real arguments people are making, regardless of how much we like them, and leave it up to the reader to decide whether they think those arguments have any validity. What better way than to let the proponents speak for themselves? It's not like our readers are just going to swallow their arguments whole. It's our job to report on what's going on in a neutral way, and leave it up to the reader to decide what they want to believe.

Another possibility is to replace it with a brief summary and a link, and move the content to a Nuclear energy article, like Nuclear power#Nuclear as a renewable. But the debate isn't about nuclear power so much as it is about the meaning of the term "renewable energy". As such, I think the Renewable energy article is the best place for it. — Omegatron 12:43, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes , the revert was more a reflex, second check made me clear that the discussion is going on a long time, and I should step into the discussion myself before i do actions like that, i also agree on not removing opinions, and i see the point, the definition of "renewable energy".....

I suggest making a page Nuclear Economy, do the discussion there , and ask people not to discuss on Nuclear Energy and Nuclear fuel cycle, renewable energy, etc. ? reg Mion 12:56, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] grappig

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[edit] Deleting interwiki links

What's up with this edit? I assume this was a mistake. Hope you haven't done this elsewhere.--Srleffler 22:38, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

No it was totally ment that way, only EN is not splitting up. there are 2 articles. a laser diode which is the small component used, and a Diode laser , which is the whole unit. Just follow the links, reg. Mion 22:48, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

That's insane. A laser diode and a diode laser are the same thing. The whole unit is a laser diode in a box with a power supply.--Srleffler 22:51, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

I agree, however most the wikipedia's have 1 or the other, or both articles, something is wrong here. and for me personal i prefer both articles, nice unit description and nice component description. reg . Mion 22:57, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

This may be something that makes more sense in some other languages than it does in English. Personally, I would think the best thing would be to have a single article that covers both.

It's strange from my perspective as a laser engineer, because the diode is the laser. It's not just a "component" in a "diode laser". Everything else in the unit is just power supply and control electronics. It would be like having two separate articles for the mirrors, laser rod, and pump source in an Nd:YAG laser; and the whole thing in a box with power supply.

Your perspective is correct, and what you describe is exactly what happens, have a look at how a PC article is build up, all components are in seperate articles. reg. Mion 23:59, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

I still don't see why you deleted the links, though. If there is only one article in English, surely it should link to all of the foreign language articles for both terms? --Srleffler 23:19, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes, good point, however if we dont fix the link issue, the ones reading the component version will never be aware that there is a unit version page and vice versa, a second thing is that in language terms speaking (technical) you also talk about laser diode for the component, and idem diode laser for the unit. marketterms then. reg. Mion 23:31, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

To answer the double linking, it would be best if EN would be the only wikipedia which has in the interwiki section al links twice ? Doesn't make sence to me ? Mion 23:31, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Argon laser

Can i ask you a question ? i'm about to translate to Dutch the Argon laser, would that be best under that name or krypton laser or as suggested ion laser ? reg. Mion 00:27, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Argon-ion and Krypton-ion lasers are two distinct types of laser (although quite similar). In principle, each should have its own article. Since they are so similar, however, it makes some sense to deal with both together. The naming of Krypton laser is clearly wrong, since the article deals with both. If you are going to have a combined article, it should be under a name that reflects both types. I'm not sure if ion laser is the best name, though. I don't work with that type of laser, so I don't know if there is an appropriate generic name for this type of laser. --Srleffler 00:21, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

OK, I see, Argon-ion laser and Krypton-ion laser to start with, thanks for the help, oh, and i requested namechange because of wikilinking problem with the YAG laser types, [[6]] Cheers Mion 00:29, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] CUTE translated

Hi, I have translated de:CUTE at Clean Urban Transport for Europe, and saw that your name was listed under "originally requested by" at Wikipedia:German-English translation requests#Economics. I just wanted to let you know and ask for feedback (this is my first inter-Wikipedia translation). Thank you. —dto (talkcontribs) 21:36, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your feedback! —dto (talkcontribs) 22:29, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] de:Nukleare Sicherheit

What ever happened to the article on nuclear safety on the german Wikipedia? (de:Nukleare Sicherheit) I have now redirected it to de:Sicherheitskultur. -- Petri Krohn 07:04, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

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