Talk:Minor Wheel of Time characters

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At what point should some characters, groups, concepts and places be broken out into their own articles? - Eisnel 16:47, 29 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Well, I think that there should be a new article for a character or place depending on how much information can be provided for it and/or how much importance it means to the plot. For example, Emond's Field should have its own article, but other villages in the area should not, simply because Emond's Field is the starting point for everything, but the other villages are only sidesteps along the original journey, and only mentioned here and there throughout the rest. verilon 16:27, 24 Aug 2004 (UTC)

As a rule of thumb, don't break out an item into a separate article on volume alone until it covers at least a page-worth of text. Obviously this will depend somewhat on your browser settings, but until you have that much text, there's no point in breaking it out: the resulting article will look stupid and puny. If, on the other hand, the item is likely to be referred to in several places, making a separate article is good to avoid duplication. HTH HAND --Phil | Talk 10:59, Aug 25, 2004 (UTC)

That sounds like a good rule of thumb. I now think that it's a good thing that we combine a lot of characters, places, etc. to a small number of articles, because it avoids the FanCruft label. There are lots of fans out there that will make an article for the tiniest Pokemon character and it gets annoying. - Eisnel 15:48, 25 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Hi. Over the past week I've moved all the info from the separate "minor" Aes Sedai articles into this list (in fact I nominated them for deletion and the resultant vote was for a redirect). As a result the article is for the moment a bit out of kilter, with Verin having a separate section and the rest of the Aes Sedai lumped together. There needs to be some consensus as to the structure of this article. 3 questions:

1. How minor is minor?
2. When does a character move from here to being a major character?
3. At what point do "supporting" characters deserve their own page? IMO Slayer, Logain, Verin and Shaidar Haran deserve their own articles (which 3 of them currently have). However, what about e.g. Adeleas and Vandene? I deliberately did NOT nominate them along with the others because they seemed fairly plot central in at least some of the books.

Where should the line be drawn? To concur with Eisnel, we should be careful to avoid fancruft. Zunaid 12:48, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

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I can appreciate that the list of characters was getting too big for one page, but why the Light and the Dark? This raises the whole tedious question of who is and who is not a Darkfriend or Black Ajah, for no good reason.

Offhand I can't think of a good breakdown. Maybe Channeller of the One Power and everyone else; though I suppose even that is debatable (e.g. can Moridin channel saidin?).

Damn, I remember way too much about those books for someone who hasn't read them in ages and has lost most of my respect for Jordan. Saforrest 17:18, Sep 29, 2004 (UTC)

Contents 1 Morgase and Faile 2 Tags 3 Article Name 4 Logain 5 Cleanup

[edit] Morgase and Faile

I do not consider either of these two characters to be "minor" in the sense that Birgitte or Logain are. Considering that both of these are major players in entire sections of Jordan's books, I think it fair that they have their own articles. I am not reverting the merge of Morgase Trakand into this article yet. I will wait to see if there is any discussion here before making a decision on recreating it as a standalone. Denni☯ 04:24, 2005 Jun 15 (UTC)

[edit] Tags

I just removed the Wikify tag on this article, since I think it's made good enough progress the tag's no longer justified. However, I added the Fiction tag. In addition to a repeat of the ancient comment up above by Zoe, I'd say it's important to address which book an event takes place in, or information is revealed. I.E., in the case of Slayer, specify during which book he attempts to kill Padan Fain. That sort of thing. The Literate Engineer 06:11, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

• That may well be, but wrong tag. The header states quite clearly this article is about fictional characters. I'm not quite sure what tag best belongs here; the closest seems to me to be {{context}}, so I've stuck it in. Denni☯ 00:25, 2005 August 8 (UTC)

[edit] Article Name

Shouldn't the article be renamed to "List of minor characters in The Wheel of Time" or some such, in keeping with the naming convention for lists on Wikipedia? Zunaid 12:48, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

I don't think it is a 'list' however, in the WP sense. A list would be List of Cairhienin characters in the Wheel of Time series, or some such, with links from the plain names to the biographical articles/sections elsewhere. nae'blis _(talk) 19:35, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

Shaidar Haran - Should he really be considered a minor character? It's obvious by now that Jordan has elevated him at least to Moridin's level, if not higher.

[edit] Logain

I've removed the entry on Logain Ablar as there is already a separate (and more detailed) article for this character elsewhere. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logain_Ablar Markeer 14:22, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

This artice needs to be added onto. A lot. Characters like Briggite, various Wise Ones, Windfinders, Kin, random generals, ect. A lot of them don't have articles, or were deleted for being stubs. IF we could make this comprehensive it would be really good. Breaking it up could happen after it grows to large.

[edit] Cleanup

I'm going to remove the cleanup message if there is no objection? Else can someone please flag what needs to be cleaned up? I am happy to undertake if required. SparrowsWing 22:14, 26 October 2006 (UTC)