Talk:Minor Ravenclaws

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[edit] Clearwater is Muggleborn?

While Penelope Clearwater was petrified by the basilisk, that is hardly sufficient evidence to claim her to be Muggle-born. What other evidence is there?

  • It's possible Miss Clearwater may have been of partially Muggle descent (half-blood). My personal belief is that the Basilisk meant to attack one Muggle-born (Hermione), catching a second student who may or may not be of completely wizard heritage.

[edit] Individual pages discussion

Please participate in the discussion at Talk:Harry Potter#Breaking apart articles of characters regarding having individual pages for characters rather than group pages. --billlund 21:23, July 17, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Ravenclaws in Harry's year

I've noticed some un-named characters haven't been mentioned. I composed this list from JK's notes in "Harry Potter and Me". There are 10 Ravenclaws here, all from Harry's year, and considering Rowling said in a recent interview (to the staff of Mugglenet and some other site!) that there are 40 people in Harry's year, it's probably a full set! For some trivia, Terry's first name was origonally 'Trevor'. Isabel's first name was origonally 'Katherine'. I've put a (?) by Isabel's name because part of it is covered by a dog-eared page, but considering the names are listed Alphabetically that's probably it;

Kevin Entwhistle

Terry Boot

Michael Corner

Anthony Goldstein

Steven Cornfoot

Mandy Brocklehurst

Padma Patil

Lisa Turpin

Su Li

Isabel(Moreg) MacDoungal

I hope someone else can do something with this, I wouldn't know how to lay it out! --195.92.168.165 01:39, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

As I checked this article closely, somebody deleted the Su Li. She is also listed as Ravenclaw students in J.K.Rowling's old notebook(Hogwart Student's name, blood purity, and gender in Harry's year). So, I put this one in this article, basically it's been important to mention this. *~Daniel~* ☎ 02:09, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Note to anyone intending on splitting off a section

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[edit] Anthony Goldstein

So is he Hogwarts' only confirmed Jew or what? It's always been my theory. --BDD 05:44, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

Haha... umm, I don't think they really go into that. There's a Christmas break, but no Christians, etc. It's like Parvati and Padma Patil... they're never explicitly said to be of South Asian origin but it's something that can be assumed... although the movie shows us that they are... As for Goldstein I think it will remain a mystery. gren グレン 06:32, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Parentage of Ravenclaws in Harry's year

I believe it must be noted that the parentage of several characters --including Ravenclaws Michael Corner, Anthony Goldstein, Terry Boot and Mandy Brocklehurst -- so far purely derives from a single source (JKR's old notes, shown in the BBC interview Harry Potter and Me), whose verifiability is questionable. But JK Rowling didn't show Lisa Turpin's blood purity.

The notes date to a period prior to the publication of the first novel (1997), and reflect "work-in-process" information which should be considered (and noted as) tentative. In fact, the notes notably contain several details that are contradicted (superseded) by information in the published novels. These details include the houses of Michael Corner and Anthony Goldstein, which according to the old notes is Hufflepuff. Please also see here. --Mercurio 00:33, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

To indicate the tentative-ness of such information, I have placed "(?)" next to them. If someone can think of a better way of indicating this, please be bold. --Mercurio 10:02, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
Indicating that information is "tentative", is different from saying that it is "presumed". The latter indicates an informed guess, but is nonetheless reader speculation. The former, on the other hand, means that the information does not come from speculation but was documented by the author (a primary source); however, the information may no longer be true in the author's final version. --Mercurio 10:02, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

To User:71.138.69.173: Hi. You removed the (?), and in the Edit Summary said that you did this because you were "right" about the parentage of these Ravenclaws and cited the HP Lexicon.

  • First, the purpose of the (?) is not to say that the information is incorrect-- it's saying that the information is tentative. As I've said, this means that the detail is known to be correct and what JKR had in mind at some point, but it is unknown whether it is still correct or whether the author changed her mind. Do you disagree that the information from JKR's old notes is tentative? Please read this before you answer.
  • Second, not everything on the HP Lexicon should be taken without question as certain or correct. It's the sources of their information that matter. The Lexicon's own interpretation of sources should be able to stand up to questions (which it welcomes).
  • Third, even the HP Lexicon draws a distinction between official ("canon") and unofficial ("non-canon") sources of information. According to the Lexicon:
"Canon" in this case means that we're 100% sure these characters exist in Jo's current Wizarding World. The planning charts and early drafts cannot be considered canon because they were heavily revised by the time the book was published.
Hence even the HP Lexicon admits that information from JKR's old notes should be viewed with some degree of doubt. --Mercurio 10:02, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Hello, I just think that the explanation to the (?) or whatever symbol you use to represent the tentativeness of the information (It could have been a *) in a linked footnote. What do you people think? VdSV9•♫ 10:36, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Padma Patil in GOF

It is stated that Padma Patil is in Gryffindor house in the film yet if you look closely at the ties of the twins in the cast shot of Dumbledores Army for the upcoming OotP, It appears she is wearing a Ravenclaw tie. Perhaps it is just a case that she has permission to enter the Gryffindor common room to visit her sister?E-flah 14:56, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

I can't really see the tie in the photo that well, but if it is Ravenclaw the filmmakers probably just wanted to correct their error. Anyway, it really shouldn't be discussed here, there are plenty of good forums for that. :-) --Fbv65edel / ☑t / ☛c || 00:21, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
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