Talk:Minor Gryffindors

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[edit] Dean Thomas

The article currently refers to Dean Thomas as an "African-American", but I cannot find anything in the books that mentions his being from America. Instead, J.K. Rowling referes to him as a "black Londoner" http://www.jkrowling.com/textonly/extrastuff_view.cfm?id=2

When it came to the casting on the film version of 'Philosopher's Stone', however, I told the director, Chris, that Dean was a Black Londoner"

Would "black Londoner" or "African-Briton" be better?

Someone listed Dean Thomas' hair color as being "black," but I don't think this was ever stated. Not all black people have black hair (some have dark brown.)

I read an interview with a black British Olympian where he got very, very upset that the interviewer kept trying to label him as African. I don't think African-Briton would be good. --Prosfilaes 18:10, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

JK rowling certainly intended Dean Thomas to be black, she jus didn't explicitly stae it at any point in the early books, just like Lee Jordon (we deduced it from his dreadlocks) or one of his fellow Quidditch players, who is a character for several books before we find out she is black. She obviously didn't think colour differences were important in the Wizarding world. As far as black people in Britain go, the PC term is Afro-Caribbean, but this only seems to be used by white people who don't want to appear racist. Unless you know where somebody was originally from (i.e. Africa or the Caribbean), just use the phrase black, it is perfectly acceptable in Britain, and trying to go round it with some bizarre conjunction is a sure fire way to offend. --Jackyd101 11:41, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Hi. Just a nitpick. Dean Thomas was in fact explicitly referred to as black by Rowling in his first appearance in Book 1. As I understand it, this description was an addition to the US/Scholastic "translation"/edition, but is not present in the original UK/Bloomsbury edition. If memory serves, it was during the Sorting; it went something like "a black boy even taller than Ron." --Mercurio 10:43, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Break this page up?

I was looking for information about specific characters in the Harry Potter series and found that although there is a category "Harry Potter characters" individuals are not listed. I've been rectifying this, and came across this page. I wonder if it would be better to create a category "Gryffindors in Harry's Year" and break this page apart so that each of the individuals here can have their own listing in the "Harry Potter characters" category page? It would seem more consistent with the way that other characters are being treated and provide a way to quickly identify and find pages dedicated to these three individuals. --billlund 22:54, July 16, 2005 (UTC)

I've opened a discussion at Talk:Harry_Potter#Breaking_apart_articles_of_characters which applies to all of the group pages. Please participate if you have thoughts on the matter. --billlund 21:17, July 17, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Cormac McClaggen

Shouldn't he be in the next year up? —Phil | Talk 14:10, July 18, 2005 (UTC)

Page 137 of the British Edition of Half-blood prince: "there were also two seventh-year boys Harry did not know..."


[edit] Title Of Page?

I believe the title 'Gryffindors in Harry's Year' should be changed, I know some people would know exactley what it means but I believe a change in name to 'Gryffindors in Harry Potter's Year' would be more appropriate and is also a clearer name. As I do not know how this would be done I would be grateful if somebody could do this change. Electricmoose- Electrifying 19:43, August 11, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Note to anyone intending on splitting off a section

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As a result, anyone who intends to split a section out of this page should be aware that, as of 27 August 2005, the following sections were linked to from the following pages:

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[edit] Change to Minor Gryffindor Characters?

It seems odd to have full entries for Cormac McLaggen, Romilda Vane, and the Creevey brothers. I think we should change this to a page for all minor Gryffindor characters and include the aforementioned folks here. Comments from anyone else? I don't actually know how to change the title of the page. And I guess links would have to be changed also. Kam Tonnes 02:58, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

Cormac McLaggen no longer has a full entry but the other two do. You can change the title of a page by clicking "move" but make sure you fix any double redirects (and preferably all redirects but sometimes that's ridiculous).
As for your suggestion, I would rather have separate articles. For one thing, how do you draw the line between "minor" and "major" characters? For another, why have ridiculously long titles like the one on this article? Finally, some articles like Minor characters associated with Quidditch sound like a random collection of characters. Brian Jason Drake 10:48, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] What does the line in the Parvati Patil section mean

"In real life, their origin is Bangladesh"?

Does that mean that the actresses who play the Patils in the movies are from Bangladesh? Because that should be in an article about the actress, not the Patils. They are fictional characters; they have no existence in "real life".Serendipodous 21:14, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Picture of Jennifer Smith as Lavender Brown accurate?

Is the girl on the picture for sure the right one? I am asking because in a discussion on the IMDB webpage one user stated that the girl in the middle behind Emma Watson and Rupert Grint in the following picture was Lavender Brown: http://www.ronandhermione.net/files/images/ahg25.jpg 198.53.127.233 09:35, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Both pictures are incorrect. I know Jennifer Smith and that isn't her. She hasn't had any lines in the films yet. Jennifer Smith is indeed black, but she's a different person than the one shown in the picture on the wiki page. --86.133.216.114 04:00, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Lavender's parentage, JKR's list of students in Harry's year

In 2001, the BBC aired Harry Potter and Me, an interview with J.K. Rowling that included the author showing some of her papers to the camera. Among those shown was an old, hand-written list (only glimpsed in part, as seen here, courtesy of the HP Lexicon) that Rowling said was of the names of every student in Harry's year, along with notations indicating house, parentage and gender.

This list is cited by some as proof of info on Harry's classmates that has not been mentioned in the books themselves. Though the notes are undoubtedly Rowling's, I believe it must also be noted that the info therein is not final; rather, they represent the author's plans at a certain point in time -- at an early (dating before the publication of Book 1 in 1997 at the least) and possibly much different stage in the process. In fact, several key pieces of information in the list are called into question (if not outright contradicted) by what finally made it into the books:

  • Seamus Finnigan's parentage - From the list it would seem that Seamus's parentage is the same as that of Vincent Crabbe, Gregory Goyle and Lavender Brown since all have an encircled star notation, the interpretation of which is immediately problematic. From the very first book, Seamus is identified as a half-blood. On the other hand, Crabbe and Goyle are arguably pure-bloods. Is Lavender then a pure-blood? If so, then why was she as baffled as Dean and Harry at the first mention of the Grim (in Book 3, Chapter 6)? It's questionable, to say the least.
  • Houses of Michael Corner, Anthony Goldstein - The list seems to indicate they are Hufflepuffs, however in their actual appearances in the books (in Books 5 and 6) these students are Ravenclaws.
  • Names of students - The list includes a "Trevor Boot", a "Queenie Greengrass" and an "Isabel MacDougal". In the books, the author apparently also decided to change these names, going with "Terry Boot" (Book 1), "Daphne Greengrass" (Book 5) and "Morag MacDougal" (Book 1), respectively.

Considering these, I believe info that purely derives from the said list (e.g., the parentages of Lavender Brown, Susan Bones and Hannah Abbott) must be considered tentative and less certain than what is known from the books as published. --Mercury McKinnon 15:10, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 2 missing girls

Someone replied to my additions on the 2 missing girls directly in the article:

"This is a common belief, and one thought to be canon, but the rat and eyeball were noted to be when the boggart was "confused", meaning that it would've simply transformed randomly."

It should be on this discussion page, rather than on the main article. I am rewriting it, so that it sounds like if a single writer observes the various suppositions, and sumarises them. Lag 12:17, 24 April 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Lavender Brown

This section is in serious need of editing. I don't know much about the character so I'm not willing to do it myself but someone at least remove the needless references to Ron and Hermionie's supposed relationship, please. --Adrianics 17:53, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

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