Talk:Mineiro

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There is absolutely no such thing as a Mineiro dialect. It is, at most, a regional variant. The claims that (1) "mineiro" is avoided by its adopters is false (most inhabitants of Belo Horizonte adopt a milder version of it) and (2) that it is considered a lower variation is unfounded. It's probably considered no better or worse than "nordestino", "gaúcho" or "carioca" (Well, perhaps better than "carioca.") --200.198.16.222

It is simply not a dialect. It's just a type of accent and different expressions, which is quite common in all countries. It's like saying the english from New York is an english dialect. And by the way, the claim above that "carioca" portuguese is "worse" than "mineiro" is absurd, since not only is Rio de Janeiro the most culturally and historically important city in the country, but the accent and expressions of its inhabitants are both shared and recognized by most Brazilians. The same thing could not be said of regions like São Paulo and Rio Grande do Sul. In any case, this article should be simply deleted, since it's totally misrepresented. -- 201.52.16.108 00:57, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

I fully Agree with the statement above. I actually speak Portugese-Brazilian with a Belo Horizonte accent. Simply due to the fact.. I'm from there. The overall difference between the soft spoken paulista accent og the fast talking accent of Carioca. Is just that. Citizens from both Sao Paulo and Rio, say that people from the Minas Gerais, simply speak more clearly and slowly. Nothing more...

Just to put the discussion in context for non-Brazilians who might be following it: the reactions above illustrate a typical Brazilian reluctance to use the term "dialect", which is culturally perceived as having a negative connotation. Of course, in purely linguistic terms, "mineiro" is obviously a dialect of the Brazilian Portuguese language (no negative interpretation attached). Likewise, contrary to what one commentator wrote above, one usually refers in the U.S. to e.g. the "Southern American" , "New Englander", or "General American/Midwestern" dialects. Personally, I think there is nothing wrong with the "mineiro" article. In fact, it is quite well-written, especially its description of "mineiro" phonology (further information on "mineiro" grammar and vocabulary could be added though). 201.52.32.9 11:58, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

The expression "dialect" carries some negative conotation in Brazil. This is probably thanks to the historical fact that slaves had all these different ways to talk among themselves and Portuguese was seen as the one "right" language to speak. Hence, there's a lot of protective feelings regarding the Portuguese language. Most Brazilian people wouldn't even consider Brazilian Portuguese as being a dialect of Portuguese - in fact, people would even consider it a different language, but wouldn't say it's a dialect. The same thing happens in the United States and is probably a characteristic common to countries with a large territory. I'm removing the "disputed" sign since it's there mainly due to linguistics ignorance - the Brazilian mineiro way of speaking is indeed a dialect, from a pure linguistic POV, albeit not a radical one (just in case you're wondering, I'm from Belo Horizonte, Minas Gerais, Brazil). --200.139.133.7 03:57, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

How much of this is original research? I've never seen such a discussion in scholarly fields, and Mineiro is more classified as a "falar" and not a dialect in itself. But if there are any scholarly works saying Mineiro is a dialect, please quote them in the article. As it stands, seems like original research. Bruno Gripp 20:42, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Made a few changes, see if you like it. Cheers"