Talk:Mil Mi-24
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The combat experience section is written horribly:
The aircraft was operated extensively during the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. The US supplied Stinger missiles to the Mujaheddin and the Hind was a favourite target - around 300 were lost during combat operations in Afghanistan, an unknown number to missile hits.Also during the Russian invasion of Afghanistain Mi-24's were heavily armoured and could easily take .50 cal rounds to it but a lucky shot in the fuel tank would set the Mi-24 a blaze into a fire ball but it was still proven effective during the war in Afghanistain and war very reliable and earned the respect of it's pilots.
I'm removing it until someone can come up with something better.
- Unless you know the content to be factually incorrect, please improve it yourself rather than remove it. I've restored it. -- Hadal 04:18, 22 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Has anybody heard of the Black Ops Hind? I saw a site about it a while ago that mentioned 1 or 2 Black Ops helos that were modified off of I believe a Hind-F. Ryan Salisbury 01:37, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)
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[edit] lucky shot
"but a single lucky shot to the fuel tank could set the Hind ablaze." Any source for this?
Since there has been no source found, and the original "combat experience" section(see above) sounds like something from an action movie(where balls of fire due to bullets hitting fuel tanks seem to occur on a daily basis), I'm removing it.
[edit] Museum Hind's
A Captured Iraqi Hind can be seen at the Military museum at Sadabad Palace, Tehran, Iran.
[edit] Iraqi Hind shoots down Iranian F-4 - disputed
Apparently this never happened. An article in AirEnthusiast, volume 104, March 2003 looked into this claim. The article is reproduced on the ACIG forum (you need to be a member) http://acig.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1920
extract of the extract:
The most controversial of all the Iraqi claims ever was published on 27 October by the Iraqi magazine “Baghdad Observer,” a publication controlled by the Iraqi regime and targeting Western reporters. In the report with the title “The Day of the Helicopter Gunship” an air battle was briefly described that supposedly developed several days earlier, and in which one Mi-24 Hind attack helicopter had shot down an Iranian F-4 Phantom. According to the “Baghdad Observer,” the engagement happened “north of the Eyn-e Khosh area” and the Phantom was destroyed by a “next generation, long-range, AT-6 Sprial ATGM,” fired by a Mi-24 helicopter specially prepared and brought to Iraq by the Soviets in order to test the AT-6 missile in the air-to-air mode.
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...a very intensive research with the help of several former Iraqi and Iranian pilots brought no confirmation that an engagement of this kind happened in the given area at the given time – and especially not with the result as claimed by Baghdad Observer. Two former Iraqi helicopter pilots who flew with the 4th Squadron IrAAC in 1982, and three other former officers of the Iraqi military remember being told about how Iraqi helicopters had shot down Iranian helicopters time and again during the war. They remember also that pictures of the wreckage of Iranian helicopters were shown to them, and they also remember many of their comrades being killed when Iraqi helicopters were shot down by Iranian helicopters and fast jets. But, they never heard about any claim that any of their Mi-25s had shot down an Iranian F-4, nor about the Soviets ever deploying any Mi-24s and AT-6 missiles to Iraq and achieving anything similar. In fact, all of them consider this claim a propaganda plot of the Iraqi government – which, after the severe setbacks from the previous fighting during 1982, was in a bad need of some good news at the time this claim was published. Both of the former IrAAC pilots confirmed – just like US documents released to the authors under several FOIA inquiries – that the AT-6 was never accepted to Iraqi Army service, especially not by IrAAC Mi-25s, and that the Soviets also never tested that weapon in Iraq (as mentioned, all the “combat testing” of the AT-6 has been done in Afghanistan).
To the best knowledge of the authors, the IRIAF wartime records as well as other official documents mention no losses of any F-4s or F-5s over the front near Eyn-e Khosh in October 1982, and no losses of any Iranian fighters to Iraqi helicopters ever. Finally, none of several dozens of other former Iraqi and Iranian pilots and officers interviewed can remember about hearing any similar claim either: several of them actually ridiculed the idea alone.
For all the mentioned reasons, the only conclusion about the claims that some Mi-24 might have shot down an F-4 Phantom in the Eyn-e Khosh area during October 1982 is, that it never happened.
I propose this claim is removed from the article.
Megapixie 13:07, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
Since nobody replied - I have removed the following text from the article
One Hind even shot down an Iranian F-4 Phantom on 26 October, 1986.
Megapixie 02:12, 7 August 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Value in Currency
I was wondering what the value of a Hind D would be (in any type of currency) --69.128.156.130 04:10, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
- I'm not sure if you're serious.... new - pretty expensive (A guess - maybe $5 to 8 million USD) - second hand - [1] sells 15 year old Ka32s for around 1 million dollars - they also sell second hand Mi-24s - but they don't post any prices. I would have thought maybe 1.5 to 2 million USD. I can probably track down a more exact figure on the prices (based on arms transfers) if you need one. Megapixie 13:57, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Star wars trivia removed
I've taken the following piece of Trivia out of the article, because I felt that it added nothing.
- The Hind-D gunship was used as a rough template for the 'Republics clone armys LAAT/i gunship', a Low Altitude Assault Transport, in the Star Wars universe within the Attack of the Clones and until Revenge of the Sith, Episodes II and III respectivly. Also within the clone wars cartoon series. Providing a troops transport and support for ground attack manouvers.
If you feel differently please add it back in. Megapixie 17:34, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Speed
I remember reading somewhere that Mi-24 used to be one of the fastest (if not the fastest) combat helicopters of its time. Can anyone confirm this? --72.137.194.104 18:39, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
- Technically speaking, given that the Mi-24 still represents the majority of attack helicopters found in Russian military service, it's time hasn't passed. If you keep that in mind, then the Hind is not the fastest. My bet is that the single-seat Ka-50 has that honor these days, but not by much. Don't forget that, like a sports car, acceleration and not top speed are often what matters in a combat helicopter. And that, mate, the Hind definatly ranks low on.(USMA2010 05:27, 20 June 2006 (UTC))
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- The Kamov is contra-rotating and therefore has an inherent speed limit - it is by design a slower helicopter than new single-rotor types. The EH101 Merlin is probably one of the fastest (167 knots, 192 mph, 309 km/h) military helicopters in service today, although I think the world record for helicopters, combat or civilian, is still held by the Westland Lynx. I'm also not certain if the speed listed for the Mi-24 here in our article is a Vne or maximum cruise. ericg ✈ 06:12, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Material removed
Some material was removed from the article by an ip - http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mil_Mi-24&curid=384591&diff=71646128&oldid=70698334 I didn't insert the material in question but I seem to remember it largely agreeing with a reliable source (A book specifically about the helicopter by Russian authors) - I'll take a look and re-insert what agrees with the source. I do remember that the airframe was only certified for a relatively low number of operating hours as a cost / weight tradeoff. Megapixie 01:52, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
Added in South Africa as an operator - they displayed a variant called a 'Superhind Mk III' at an airshow today. Shanada 18:27, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
