User talk:Mike 7/Archive2

[edit] Jared Padalecki-lookin' dude

Hey, doesn't this dude (Alexander Baumjohann) look like Jared Padalecki? By the way, I think you messed up the archives someonw. There shouldn't be a re-direct from your talk page. Just a link to them. You should try going down through the birth year cats sometimes. It's kinda fun. (i.e. Category:1989 births) Mad Jack 06:31, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Oh, and just to explain, you don't/shouldn't have to actually move the page. All you do is copy the text and create a new page (called User talk:Mike 7/Archive2, for example), where you paste that text. And then link to it from your page. Here, I'll do it on my page to demonstrate, though I'm sure you understand anyway. Mad Jack 06:37, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Since I know you love being stylish, you'll probably want to add the little "archive" tag that is over at User talk:Jack O'Lantern/Archive1, for example, to your archive page. I am 99% sure, by the way, from family trees and the like, that Padalecki's father is 100% Polish. Some of the names in that tree are distinctly Jewish - like Springer and Rackowitz, but I reckon most of the family was Catholic in Padalecki's recent generations. Mother's name is, as you may remember, Sharon Kammer, so Padalecki may indeed by German or German Jewish from that side. But, of course, don't take my word for it, I am not a reliable source. :) Mad Jack 06:41, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

This is the guy I am 99% sure is Padalecki's paternal grandfather or great-grandfather.[1] This guy's mother's name is Rackowitz, I think that side is Jewish or partially Jewish, not sure, you can track it back there generations. But we can't really use this in the article, it's too unofficial (i.e. basically "some guy"'s family tree) and original research-y tying it in to Padalecki himself. Mad Jack 06:47, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

What do you mean of Polish origin? You can click on her name and track her, the family's from Poland on the Rackowitz side, too. Mad Jack

Yes, it would be much, much easier. As for Jared Padalecki, I'm sure he goes around saying "I'm Polish" to everyone he meets, or just random people on the street, just to spite us Wikipedians Mad Jack 06:59, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Yes he is likely half, his grandmother was an Anna Skalski or Shalski. I've narrowed his mother down to two women listed on Ancestry - one a Shawna Kammer who is surely Jewish, and another a more traditional Sharon Kammer whose mother's maiden name was Archer (I know from Ancestry.com when his mother was born). Padalecki is not that big yet, I'm sure he will say something eventually. Wait, both of your grandparents were part Polish? That is interesting Mad Jack 07:05, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Ah, so your mother is a Jewtalian. She must look exactly like Rachel Bilson, considering their identical background Mad Jack 07:15, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

As for Eastern Europe, yeah, it is annoying, it is all messed up (see Nick Adams and Charles Bronson discussions for two actors who have been attributed every single background imaginable from East Europe. Mad Jack 07:18, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

I am boring, which means mostly British-origin with the one Irish and the one Jewish (though also from England, mind you) paternal grandparent. This allows me to squash the ethnic pride of all groups out there, per the British side. Mad Jack 07:24, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Oh goodness no, that's just because of Jack O'Lantern, a rather masterful villain in the Spider-Man comic books (the third incarnation, natch). It has nothing to do with my grandmother, who wasn't even born in Ireland and I have a feeling who wasn't even "full Irish", though maybe close. Mad Jack 07:27, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Oh yes, I got a Jewish surname, but it's not incredibly Jewish and could be just German, or "anything". "O'Lantern" is a great last name, but, it does not, sadly, exist, I think. Mad Jack 07:31, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Wait, what does "play on words" mean? Jack O'Lantern is a play on words? Mad Jack 07:32, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Oh... I actually thought it was already a name, because of the comics. I mean it was basically a name there, so... It's a cool name, though Mad Jack 07:35, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Well it wasn't really a pun in the traditional sense. The guy wore a big pumpkin head and called himself Jack O'Lantern. More of a literal interpretation. Mad Jack 07:39, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Tell me you couldn't get the wrong idea from this poster of tonight's philosophical discussion's next film [2] Mad Jack 07:42, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

And you wanted to shame the great Irish people by associating them with that disgusting image Mad Jack 07:48, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

She never said she did, remember? :) Aren't you Irish too? You're like everything else Mad Jack 08:00, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

By the way, if you're tring to improve the Young article, the good format usually is one "Young" and then one "he" and then one "Young" and so on, i.e. alternating. Also I'd insert the trivia into the article, it is unencyclopedic as a section. Finally, it's not clear if it's just his mother who is a Mormon or he is as well, the article puts him in the cat but just says mom was. Mad Jack 08:19, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

You welcome! You may want to use all the GA's that I did that are listed on my user page as models (shameless self-plugging and vanity aside) I see Young's page has already failed one GA, maybe with your help it can get it Mad Jack 08:24, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] My RfA

On my RfA you said that I have no real devotion and only come on once a month. Niether is true. While I fully accept the point about inexperience, I resent the other parts as I use this site on a daily basis and edit several times most weeks. I also think it wonderful and only want to increase my role within it. Tom walker 10:16 GMT 22 July 2006

Thanks for your reply - that time was because my computer failed but ok. How do I withdraw?

[edit] User:Misza13's pile!

Thank you for contributing the impressive the pile of supports gathered on my RfA, which passed with a final tally of 0x0104/0x01/0x00. I'm happy that so many people have put faith in my abilities as an admin and promise to use the tools wisely and do my best not to let you down. If I ever may be of assistance, just leave a note on my talk page. Misza13, the rouge-on-demand admin wishes you happy editing! NOTE: This message has been encrypted with the sophisticated ROT-26 algorithm. Ability to decipher it indicates a properly functioning optical sensor array.

[edit] Wiki-Birthday

Thank you to all who wished me a happy wikibirthday! It did not go unappreciated! --D-Day ^{I'm all ears How can I improve?} 09:59, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks For The Happy Birthday

I always knew that my first Happy Birthday would come from the ranks of Esperanza and Wikipedia! M@$+@ Ju ~ ♠ 19:21, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Birthday

Thanks :) Redwolf24 (talk) 09:52, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Me again

Gnocchi is not the only Italian dish there, there is polenta and related dishes, and some other that have a Portuguese-like name, but have an Italian origin, like "macarronada", that I've just aded.

It's funny having to explain it to someone... Talking to some paulistanos (most of them with Italian origin) about your amusement over the existence of Italians here, everyone was amazed that people outside Brazil don't realize how many Italians we have here, specially in Sao Paulo. --Yardena 05:14, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] My RfA

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[edit] Articles

Hi Michael,

Just wanted to have some information regarding the articles.

Writing an article is one of my hobbies, so just want to know that  
whether can I post my own articles on Wikipedia, related to some  
opinion based Topics. I have recently posted an Article 
in 'sandbox'for the topic Anatomy. As per my knowledge the sandbox is  
meant for only trial work. So can you please tell me where i can post 
these articles? Also i am very new to this so please guide me 
accordingly.   
 
Also are the writers paid for the Articles?

regards,
Sameer

[edit] my RfA

Thanks for your opinions in my RfA. Ultimately, the request did not pass, with a vote of (43/16/7). But your honest opinion was appreciated and I'll just keep right on doing what I do. Maybe I'll see ya around -- I'll be here!
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[edit] Welcome-back present

For when you return - here is a ridiculous nugget from Paris Hilton. Now you can list her on the German page.[3] (she is what? 1/16th I think). Mad Jack 04:41, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Ah, and also I got the straight line about Jesse Metcalfe from a new source (see entry for source). Says his father was Italian and French and his mother Italian and Portuguese (nothing, of course, is said about what Metcalfe himself should be referred to). Metcalfe is not a French last name so I'm guessing there's a bunch of stuff to his father's ancestry. Mad Jack 03:00, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] My RfA

Thanks for your support opinion on my RfA. With a final vote of (62/0/1), my RfA passed, and I am now an Administrator. I will work hard to ensure that the tools entrusted to me will not be abused, and will wield my mop proudly.
Happy editing! --Firsfron of Ronchester 23:45, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks from Yanksox!

Hey, Michael, thanks for supporting my RfA, which registered a tally of 104/4/7. Which means... I am now an admin!!! I was and still am very flattered by all the kind comments that I recieved, I will also take into account the comments about how I could improve. I guarantee I will try my best to further assist Wikipedia with the mop. Feel free to drop in and say hi or if you need anything. Again, thank you so much! Yanksox 04:05, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mz. Hilton

So.... you took the bait on Paris Hilton, didn't you? Little knowing that ahead of time I had set a special timer that would go off when you added her name to the German-Am.... Oh, wait, I forgot to do that.... Maybe next time. :) Interesting situation with Jennifer Love Hewitt, btw, it seems that the online sources on her were completely wrong, considering her family tree. Mad Jack 07:21, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

BTW, this is the only family tree of Steven Tyler that I could find on Rootsweb [4] (Rootsweb is simply a great family tree source, especially for old and dead people). It doesn't have anything, again, on Tyler's mother. But it lists Steven Tyler's maternal grandfather, a Felix Blancha, as having been born in Poland rather then Russia. "Felix Blancha" is a weird name for a Polish guy. "Blancha" - maybe spun off from "Blank" or something? I don't know if he was Jewish or not. Mad Jack 07:27, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

What's weirder is that even Tyler's own site says this Blancha guy was "Russian". It also indicates that Tyler has significant Native American ancestry, but I kind of doubt his maternal grandmother - her last name isn't listed but still - was Native. Maybe part. As for Hewitt - as far as I can tell it's not like she herself lied about it - I don't think she has ever personally mentioned it. Mad Jack 07:32, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

"Blancha" is even a less Russian name then it is Polish :) Personally I think all these Eastern European countries should just unite together and stop confusing me with the whole Nick Adams/Jack Palance were "half Ukrainian/half Lithuanian/half Polish and also Russian" nonsense :) Mad Jack 07:39, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Oh, well, if they were Jewish, sure. But you threw me off because I thought when you said "Russian" you meant ethnic Russian. Which brings me to - another thing that annoys me is when whichever actor says they have Polish, Russian, French and Dutch ancestry and then it turns out they are 100% Jewish. Just say Jewish. If you must, say Jewish of Polish, Russian, etc. descent. This usually makes "Jewish" the hardest ethnicity to track out there. If you're part Italian, then you're part Italian. The sources would say "Italian descent" and not anything else. But with Jewish, you can have, logically speaking, a person who is described as being "of Portuguese, Dutch, French, German, Russian and Italian descent" and who is 100% Jewish by ethnicity. I mean, for all I know Jesse Metcalfe and Eric Balfour are part Jewish (well, Balfour probably is on his mother's side - maiden name "Salter", Russian ancestry, etc.), but you could never tell from these "X/Y/Z descent" which are fairly misleading. Mad Jack 07:45, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

What do you mean diluted? There are plenty of red-haired Jews, or blond full Jews like Jonathan Lipnicki and Corey Haim. What I was saying was there are people who are ethnically 100% Jewish, and who have ancestors who were Jews from, say, Italy, France, Poland and Russia, and are described as being "of Italian, French, Polish and Russian descent", which makes it hard to tell that they are Jewish without a mention that they are. So it's confusing, which it wouldn't be with, say, Italian, because a person isn't Italian-American but said to be of "French Dutch and Irish descent". As for diluted, the very large majority of Jews simply did not "marry out" at all until the mid and late 20th century. Heck, there are more "full Jews" in acting now then there are "full Italians" (compare list of Jewish American actors with List of Italian American actors in the 1990s section) because Italians married non-Italians pretty quickly and with no great remorse. I suppose it's possible that every Jewish family has some non-Jewish ancestor, a long time ago, who converted into Judaism, but otherwise, if Jews in most European countries "married out", they either converted to their spouse's faith or didn't, but in either case the "Jewish line" essentially stopped there. Therefore if you have a person who is Jewish on both sides - they are almost certainly very close to 100% Jewish by ethnicity. Mad Jack 07:58, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

What assimilation in Poland? :) In my experience, the only Jewish Americans referred to as Polish-Americans in good sources are those actually born in Poland. I have truly never seen any US born Jew called a "Polish American" in a reliable source (Michael Vartan says he is a "Polish Jew", which is close but not quiet exactly Polish or Polish-American, though he is on the Pol-American list. Besides, he's French :)). I've seen "mother of Polish descent", which was a grossly misleading bit about Scarlett Johansson and Jennifer Connelly and a few others, but never Polish-American. Notice that "The Polish-Americans" TV program they were talking about on the Pol-American list didn't include any American Jews of Polish descent. As for red hair, well, why not? Northern Italians had red hair, apparently Jesus may have had red hair, so I dunno. But yes, original Jews were certainly not as blond as Haim or Lipnicki. Maybe several generations of living under the California sun blondened several Jewish actors. Mad Jack 08:10, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Yes, but if we have Northern Italians and Southern Italians, surely we had Northern Israelis and Southern Israelis back in the day. :) Well the quote Michael Vartan gives out in the Pol-American list says it all. Since his father was definitely not Jewish it must be his mother, who was from Poland, according to him. Are you talking about Polish Jews in Poland or the United States? Well, in either case, there is a gigantic rift between Polish Jews and non-Jewish Poles mostly caused through a lot of history, especially during the 20th century - culminating in the expulsion of the Jews from Poland in 1967 - by a Communist leader whose wife was Jewish - but never mind the ironies. Don't we have an article called History of the Jews in Poland? I'm sure it can explain it better than I can :) Mad Jack 08:18, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Hmmmm I really find that's no longer the case. Most Jewish Americans who had grandparents or great-grandparents who came over from Poland in the early 20th century with the rest of the Bronx immigrants really have/feel no connection there (and as I said, I've yet to see a single person described by reliable source or by self as "I'm Polish" or Pol-American). In a lot of cases, "Jewish" is just the accepted ethnic/cultural designation and anything beyond that - or beyond "Ashkenazi" or "Sephardic" - is basically irrelevant. Most Jews feel the connection with Israel - the majority of American Jews have relatives in Israel but few really have relatives in whatever Eastern European country their ancestors came from. It is essentially, you could call it, a mass cultural and ethnic identity migration from Eastern Europe to Israel/America and it is a fascinating phenomenon - but it has unquestionably happened. You get the rare Scarlett/ Connelly thing where some article about them actually mentions where their ancestors came from - but for the most part - just look at the majority of actors listed on the Jewish American actors page in the sections from, say, the 1970s to the 1990s - for most of them we have no idea where their ancestors came from and it likely will never been anything they bother mentioning in the press. But - me - I like it - it keeps it simple - and you know I like it simple and don't like the ethnic/cultural lines between Polish and Jewish blurred - I don't mean for people of both backgrounds like Leelee Sobieski - well you know what I mean. Mad Jack 08:42, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I do have relatives in Israel - very distant. By "Jewish Americans" I meant people who are essentially fully Jewish or maybe half - in that case, yes, there are a very large number who have relatives in Israel - certainly a bigger number than those who have relatives in whatever Eastern European country their ancestors came from. And of course there is a very strong connection to Israel in the Jewish community overall - definitely bigger, by a lot, than to whatever country their ancestors were recently from - Israel is sacred to the Jewish religion - and all the Jewish-American organizations always collect donations for whatever causes in Israel. I check out a few of the Jewish online papers looking for tips on actors - every week there are tons of articles about Israel and what is going on there - you could say the connection between most American Jews and Israel is strong than that, say, between full Italian Americans with no recent immigrants ancestor and Italy. Mad Jack 08:55, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Well, of course, it's needless to say, when the ancestry is distant for any X that's usually the case with the "connection". You don't see George W Bush speaking about his powerful connection with his English ancestry :) As for the number of Jews in your area, well, that doesn't have much to do with anything, although I'm surprised there aren't more (New Jersey and New York are often cited as having big Jewish populations - though by the large number of Jewish actors born in California, it seems the census-takers are unederstimating Cali). You seem to be living in the more Italian-ized section of New Jersey, judging only by the number of Jewtalians (according to you). By the way, there aren't really that many Jewtalians in Hollywood, all the "half Jewish" people are usually something other than Italian on the other half, except for Rachel Bilson and a few others. The number of Italian American actors is, in fact, dwindling, as - I don't have the data to support this but I'm sure it's true - such a large percent of full Italian Americans marry non-Italians and have been essentially since they started immigrating over here 150 years ago. It's a lot to do with religion - marrying within one's religion - so obviously Jews marry other Jews but Italian Catholics married other Catholics - i.e. why we have the Italian-Irish people in largre numbers and to a lesser extent the Italian-Polish people. What you end up having is a larger number of people with some kind of distant Italian ancestry who can not really be honestly described as Italian American, except by an incredibly loose and misleading definition of the term, like say Liv Tyler. I believe, but am not sure, that people with these distant Italian roots probably outnumber the "full" and "half" Italians in the US today. Mad Jack 17:54, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Which Law & Order official site?

Which Law & Order official site? NBC.com still says Gafney...I do the Law & Order guide at Tvrage.com and we still have heard Gafney...

But that isn't NBC. NBC still states it is Gafney. Wikipedia isn't an official source, NBC.com, however is.

[edit] "Full" people

You know, someone ought to do some kind of study on every single European ethnicity and how it has changed in the US. I would imagine that, despite all the complaints from all the Rabbis on mixed-marriages, Jews are easily the #1 ethnicity in terms of people who are "100%" (well aside from WASPs who live in small mid-Western and Southern towns and are really hard to track as being 100% "English" or so). Just look at the X-American lists of all the major European-American ethnicities - Irish, Italian, German, Jewish and a few others - there are virtually no 100% Irish born after 1980 listed and only a few Italians - on the Italian list[5] I think Heather Matarazzo, Vanessa Ferlito, Vincent Martella and maybe Michael Angarano are the only ones post 1980 who are full. On the Jewish list [6] there are probably three or four times more full Jews (post 1980) than full Italians on the Italian list (not even counting people with one parent who converted) - interestingly the ratio of people who are all Jews vs. half is higher in the 1990s then in the 1980s (i.e. more full Jews in the 1990s). I just did some work on List of Dutch Americans and the very very small number of actual Dutch Americans (i.e. people who are, say, at least half) is really due to the fact that so many Dutch arrived in the US so long ago, almost immediately married non-Dutch and so on - and this is the case for some of the big American families with Dutch names - Roosevelt and Vanderbilt. Rootsweb really helped me understand how ridiculously distant the Dutch ancestry is for people like say, Dick Van Dyke (I couldn't even find his original Dutch-born "Van Dyke" ancestor, even after two centuries worth of Anglo-Saxon ancestors that I tracked back). Anyway... Mad Jack 04:45, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Sure, it depends on location, but the film industry and actors - which I am using as an example - usually gets a roughly even sample of people from all parts of the country (if anything the mid-Western "non-ethnic" are those left out, mostly due to location) - so it's a pretty good indication - in a way - of what the various ethnic groups in the US are up to. Mad Jack 04:57, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

BTW, speaking of location - you'll notice almost - or all actually - "Full Italians" listed on the actors page post 1980 are from New York or New Jersey. The full Jews are roughly half from California and half from New York. The full Irish - though I don't think there are any at the moment post 1980 on the Irish page - would probably be from Boston, Chicago and the like. Mad Jack 04:59, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Oh yes, I agree, I am all against ethnic pride and the whole one drop rule, which was recently tried to be applied to the Greeks - what they tried to do - really annoyed me. They had this one actress listed whose quote said she was half Filipino and also a bunch of stuff, including Greek. So, of course, the editor put her in the Filipino cat and the Greek cat. Didn't even bother to go all the way and put her in everything else - her other ethnicity cats. Just Phil and Greek. Why? Pretty obvious. The German-Americans are really frankly just not united as a community in any way anymore - and you get people who are half German like Meryl Streep and June Allyson who probably didn't/doesn't even know they are at all German! (both were seemingly told they were Dutch because of WWI1). Jewish, Italian, Greek, Polish, and a few other minor ones are still united as communities so you see the ethnic pride thing going - except maybe with Jews - they are fairly evenly divided between people who love to claim everyone who is, say, half, as Jewish - fairly reasonable in my opinion - and those who sort of resemble the WASPs of old in terms of how "selective", inclusive and strict they are in who is or is not Jewish. Though ironically enough - Jews have easily the highest representation among actors - in comparison to every other distinct ethnic community - I mean our Jewish American actor list towers over the other ethnic-American actor lists in terms of numbers of people listed - and it is not for lack of trying to find names to add to those other lists. As for Presidents, I would count Van Buren and Roosevelts as WASPS - all the "Vans" and Dutch of old are really WASP in every way except for English origin. I don't know how German Ace Young is. He seems like another example of someone who is maybe 1/4, I dunno, and probably is a bunch of stuff besides Irish and German. Mad Jack 05:14, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Oh, and Paris Hilton is just nuts. Her "I am German" comment is exactly the type of comment Arniep said is completely pointless and irrelevant and essentially makes these lists stupid if we use that system. The whole "When in Germany, I'm German" is pretty silly. Mad Jack 05:21, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Ancestry.com is useless for longer family trees. Rootsweb.com (which is free) is your friend. You can find a lengthy family tree of almost any major (B or A level) celebrity and certainly all dead ones. I tracked Courteney Cox back to 1000 BC!! Though I think at that point it reached speculation. If you track her back far enough you get to King Henry I of England - that may or may nor be true. Germans at that point in the US were upper class and Protestant enough to be considered WASPs just like the Dutch, and usually were. Kennedy is really the only one who was distinctly an outsider - distinctly Catholic and distinctly Irish. Herbert Hoover was very, very distantly German. He was mostly WASP on his father's side and Swiss on his mother's. Scottish - most were distantly Scottish - the majority were mostly English. You can track down the ancestry of every single US president for hundreds of years on Rootsweb, btw. See Meryl Streep's entry, I updated it with the source - this very competent web blogger who tracked her ancestry down. Paris Hilton is 1/16th German. The original big-wig Hilton had a Norwegian father and a German-American mother. Every ancestor since then has been a WASP. Look her up on Rootsweb. You can track all of her paternal ancestry. Mad Jack 05:30, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Oh yeah - instructions on RootsWeb - just in case - you enter the name and then click on the matches in "World Connect" Mad Jack 05:33, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

I think the pause in the middle was just to catch her breath Mad Jack 05:34, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Hilton's German-AMerican great-great-grandma was this Mary Genevieve LAUFERSWEILER woman, born in Iowa. Her father, Conrad LAUFERSWEILER, was German. Nothing is listed on her mother. So maybe Paris is only 1/32. :) Mad Jack 05:35, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Well this woman's German immigrant father could have married a WASPY American, making Paris 1/32. It is hard to tell. Anyway, Rootsweb is fairly credible when it comes to the past 300 years or so. Any further back and you know there may well be some kind of error. Mad Jack 05:39, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Well for example type in "Richard" and "Nixon" to the first and last name section, respectively. Then you should get a World Connect as your first match. Press on that to see a whole batch of Nixon family trees. Mad Jack 05:42, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

The deepest Nixon family tree is this one, btw [7] Mad Jack 05:44, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Oh look, Ashton Kutcher's mom is full Irish.[8] I wouldn't have thought Mad Jack 05:57, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

No it does not track his father's ancestry at all, but it tracks most of his mother's to Ireland. It doesn't really track Demi Moore much - and it cleverly calls her "Guynes" - her birth name. You can track Bruce Willis' ancestry - click on Living Guynes and then Living Willis (i.e. from the Kutcher page I sent you) - it goes back for generations of American WASPS on Willis' father's side. Mad Jack 06:00, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

LOL! What do you mean? But of course, it's easier to track American ancestors and most of the people in the US throughout the centuries have bene WASPS. It's hard as heck to track Willis' German mother. Usually, the ancestry has been tracked because someone was interested in that particular side and tracked it, though. It's just basic fact that, if you go back far enough, everyone who has no recent immigrant ancestors tracks back to a lot of WASP ancestry. And a ha! It looks like [9] Kevin Costner's German ancestry is so far back - back to the 1700s - that his father being described as "German and Native American" is grossly misleading (his father is clearly mostly WASP based on that tree). I can't really find the Native either. Maybe from that Reno grandmother. Mad Jack 06:05, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

And it does not look like his mother is particularly Irish either[10]. Matches with the fact that she was Baptist. Probably an exaggeration on Costner's part. Not surprising that a lot of celebs bring out the even vaguely exotic "Irish and German" when these are fairly distant roots to them Mad Jack 06:08, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] L&O

go here: http://www.nbc.com/Law_&_Order/bios/Milena_Govich.shtml

what is the law & order homepage? URL?

[edit] Luxembourgian American at European American template

You may want to also change the article istelf. Currently the article is named Luxembourg American, while Luxembourgian American is merely a redirect to the prior. Al-Andalus 07:05, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Happy First Edit Day!

Thanks for the wiki-birthday wishes :) — FireFox ^(talk) _{11:43, 30 July '06}

[edit] John List

Just look in the article itself - the article states that his parents were German, so that automatically qualifies him as a German-American. Editor88 16:55, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rosemary Podrasky

No, I'm sure she was not Jewish. Any political positions as high as that, and the reporters go to work digging up your Jewish roots. I am actually frankly surprised that the fact that she was Polish or part Polish, if she was indeed, was not reported anywhere. Podrasky is an ethnic sounding name in itself. Yes, I'm sure his dad was a WASP. Maybe his mother raised him Catholic. There are no matches for a Podrasky and a Roberts married on RootsWeb, so they are no help. I guess we will have to wait and see. Mad Jack 04:48, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Yes I noted the last name around the time Roberts became a big deal and I always thought it would come out fairly soon but I guess it never did. Maybe his "exotic" ancestry is distant so they did not mention it. Mad Jack 04:53, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

LOL! The media failed us on this one, my friend. Mad Jack 05:00, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Ah, but the media doesn't make stuff up. Internet fiends :) do. Look Roberts up on the IMDB. Maybe he is of French, Irish, Dutch, GREEK, and Polish descent, and speaks fluent Greek and considers himself mostly a Greek, having grown up with his Greek Polish mother. Mad Jack 05:03, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

BTW, the IMDB accepted my changes on Fanning so she is no longer Scandinavian on their page, she is now half German with an Irish last name. I guess miracles do happen. Mad Jack 05:06, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Well I know that IMDB is #2 behind Wikipedia in terms of amount of sites that copy the content (yup, we are #1, no doubt about that, our mirror Google matches usually far outnumber theirs), so once in a while I am generous enough to share my knowledge with them and try to set them on the path to redemption. :) Mad Jack 05:10, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

When have we blamed them for plagiarism? I mean I never have. For starters, their info is all wrong while ours is all right, sooooo.... Mad Jack 05:20, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Normys Day

haha lol i need one of them ;)
THanks for the comment
--Deon555|talk|e 05:09, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the birthday message, much appreciated! Normy132 07:36, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sophia Bush

Hmmm... do you know anything about her background? Since you seem to be more of a TV person. I saw her in John Tucker Must Die and I just got a "half something" vibe out of her. Maybe Jewish. I don't think she married Chad Murray in a religious ceremony of any kind, but I am not sure. The movie isn't that good btw, though I have a feeling Arielle Kebbel could amount to something if some casting director really unleashed her - she has a sort of All-American villainess thing about her - has a look on her face like she'd make you the apple pie and then poison it. Bush in comparison is much more conventional. Mad Jack 05:29, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Really, you never heard of her before? I thought you knew everybody, from your edits. I.e. relatively fairly obscure people Jesse Metcalfe. Well, out of everyone from John Tucker Must Die, Kebbel is the one to keep your eye on. As for the Italian thing - it is weird - but I doubt that means she is Italian. Mad Jack 05:39, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Well there was one actress - at least - from one of the cop shows you must watch - that even I hadn't heard of. If I haven't heard of them - they're obscure. :) I am a big movie person but I don't really watch TV so I don't know most of these people or the American Idol contestants beyond Wikipedia, though I am aware of the existance of most of them through Wikipedia. Careful with the Italian thing, someone from the IMDB could be reading this and they'll make sure she is Italian within days :) Mad Jack 05:45, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

No I really don't remember. It was one of those over 30 attractive brunettes who mostly do stints on TV shows and are soon forgotten. Mad Jack 05:49, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Haha no, it was def some actress on a cop/law/justice show Mad Jack 05:53, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Neal, probably. I think there may have been another actress as well. Parrisse I remember from How to Lose a Guy in Blah blah blah. You do have a source that she is Sicilian or Italian, right? I've been meaning to ask. She's not on the Italian actors page. Mad Jack 05:57, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

I hate to tell you, but I removed the cats on Parrisse. I just could not find a source. Mad Jack 06:02, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

BTW, seeing Clerks II also reminded me today - the IMDB claims that Jason Mewes is of Polish descent. But again, no source for this. I suppose he could be. Mad Jack 06:04, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

The very first one you get when you search for Italian. The one that compares the Italians on Law and Order to the non-Italians. Mad Jack 06:07, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

And yes, it was Diane Neal. I remember now. The whole female rapist thing - I thought - what, what, that's a crime? Mad Jack 06:08, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

What, what, that's a crime? Diane Neal raping someone is a crime? If it was Carol Burnett or someone, OK, but Diane Neal.... Mad Jack 06:11, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

My biggest ? about the whole Mewes thing is why has no ardent Wikipedia editor picked up on it and put it on Mewes' page? Weird, but makes my job easier Mad Jack 06:14, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Everyone who has watched any or most or all of Kevin Smith's movies will never forget who he is... I guess that doesn't include you :) Mad Jack 06:17, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Why, because film actors suck? :) Mad Jack 06:21, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Once or twice a year... my gosh.... that's.... I couldn't make it. That's the number of times per week for me, on a slow week :) Mad Jack 06:29, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Clearly. I hope, btw, that Nancy Grace is just good ol' British-American. It would be annoying if she was like "Oh I'm French and Dutch, and also Spanish" out of nowhere Mad Jack 06:34, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] John Roberts

I'm afaid your mistaken, I haven't posted on there, and if I have, it was a vandalism revert... See Special:Contributions/HawkerTyphoon. Sorry! HawkerTyphoon 14:35, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wickethewok's RFA

Thanks for your support on my RFA. The final vote count was (61/9/3), so I am now an administrator. Feel free to let me know how I'm doing at any point in time or if you need anything. Once again, thank you. Wickethewok 16:24, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Shariod Harris

Why are y'all trying to delete the article BoomBox and Electrobe?

[edit] Talk page

If you would look to the bottom of the user box on my talk page, you'd notice that it has a link to my archive. I don't like to keep things in my talk page that are simply messages that I only need to read once. My user box column is on all of my personal pages. --BoaDrummer 22:34, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you.

I'll keep that in mind. BoaDrummer 22:40, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] GangstaEB's RFA

Thanks for your oppose on my RFA. The final vote count was (0/10/0), so I am now an normal user. Feel free to let me know how I'm doing at any point in time or if you need anything. I can't give it though. Once again, thank you. GangstaEB help me improve! 23:28, 31 July 2006 (UTC) I did steal this off Wickethewok's RFA thank-you too.

[edit] BTW

I find it funny when people call me Jack. My real first name is the same as yours (if your screen name is indicative of your real first name). Though of course I should not be called by it Mad Jack 01:46, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Well these are all the Podraskys RootsWeb gives out...[11] (sorry, just search for "Podrasky" under "last name", impossible to display it otherwise) Most have married WASPs, clearly, so I can't tell if it's mostly a Polish last name or what it is. Very odd. Mad Jack 01:56, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Meh, he is probably just Greek. I bet his mother changed it from "Podraskous", plus I heard him speak fluent Greek on TV (the captioning translation said something like "I consider myself mostly a Greek, having been raised in a Greek..." Or that may have been a dream. I am not sure. Mad Jack 01:59, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

I love the IMDB bit on Chris Noth. First it says : "Is incorrectly believed to be purely Irish-American, like his character Mike Logan on Law & Order.". A few sentences later it says "Irish-American". Pwned! Mad Jack 04:59, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Hmmmm it is still fairly hypocritical. You know "Incorrectly believed to be purely IRish American... but he's Irish-American" Redundant and silly Mad Jack 05:03, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Here is a Noth family tree for you.[12] His maternal grandmother seems pure Irish. Too bad they didn't track his daddy Mad Jack 05:07, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

You should add that Noth's mother's family is of at least part Irish descent, and mention where they came from in Ireland, since we can verify that. Just a thought :) Mad Jack 05:09, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

You're so obedient Mad Jack 05:11, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I'm known for that. BTW, I've noticed you do a lot of behind the scenes work (i.e. greetings or votes, which I don't do and find boring), but you've never voted on Wikipedia:Good articles/Nominations or Wikipedia:Featured article candidates. Those can be fun Mad Jack 05:18, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Yes but I don't really need any more votes on that one. I already have something like 10 supports which is enough. I stopped counting. I meant in general, FA/GA voting is a lot more fun than greeting people, I'm surprised you have never done any. Mad Jack 05:21, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

How did you ever stumble on television, anyway? Mad Jack 05:42, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

I don't think I've ever heard anyone referred to as a "Caucasian-American" (what the IMDB calls Ace Young) Mad Jack 05:44, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

"Hi! I'm Elle Woods and this is Bruiser Woods, my Chihuahua-American" Mad Jack 05:48, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

No, sexuality is a big no-no on the IMDB, just like any risky stuff like religion i.e. mentioning people are Jewish, Catholic, etc. They could, however, reasonably offer us that Daughtry and Young are brothers, much like the Brody pair, but lovers - red zone. BTW, did you know who Elle Woods was before pressing on the wiki link? Mad Jack 05:53, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

They might, rarely, put up that someone is a homosexual if everyone knows that and I've seen the occasional religion bit sneak in, but for the most part, these seem to taboo subjects for them, though I can't see why. Obviously another area where we have the advantage (we = Wikipedia) Mad Jack 06:10, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Welcome!

Welcome!

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If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to ask another fellow member, and we'll be happy to help you. Again, welcome! We look forward to seeing you around! plange 06:32, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

you're welcome! I see you're interested in film and tv so we're definitely needing members who cover that area. It looks like Arts and Entertainment is getting some votes for a task force, but it would n't hurt to get more votes... See ya around! plange 06:38, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dakota

This is getting nastier by the minute.[13] Mad Jack 17:26, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] About.com

Experts.about.com, as I'm sure you can easily tell from the exact same format as us, is a copy of Wikipedia. Right now it reflects an older version of the articles - maybe from early this year. Amurri's mother, of course, is not actually half Welsh, as we know from a first - hand source cited on Sarandon's article. Mad Jack 20:47, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

You got my hopes up, btw, that you actually found a source that calls Amurri Italian. I've been looking for one, but she is such a minor actress and hasn't done anything since 2004. Mad Jack 20:48, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Are you sure? There are different levels of About.com. On the hand, there's About.com, a reputable celebrity site who do interviews with actors which obviously can be used as sources. There's About.com geneology and another site that I don't believe is a Wiki copy. And then there's Experts, which is a copy Mad Jack 20:51, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Geocities/Angelfire etc. are all personal websites and as such inadmissible as evidence in the court of law. :) to use some legal jargon Mad Jack 21:29, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Christina Ricci - what do you mean? You're saying that AION should just give off the impression that Ricci is 100% Italian, which they do by not specifying exactly that her grandfather or less was Italian? Mad Jack 23:07, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

So? Your whole point was that the AION doesn't suck. Obviously if they list anyone with an Italian last name and don't give out full info when they have it, then they suck. Mad Jack 23:35, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

You didn't really reply to what I said. The AION does not call these people ITalian-Americans or Italian-anythings, and that is good, because they're not. Not a single person, not even you, except for the extremists out there considers someone who is 1/8th Italian to be an Italian-American. That is simply fact. That's why you won't find anyone like that described as Italian-American in a reputable source, in fact. And the discussion was about AION sucking or not sucking; I say it sucks because it doesn't give you the full info, just last names. Anyone can list based on last names, like that horrid version of the French American page early July. The trick is finding reliable info and informing the reader as much as possible. So, I say the AION sucks. Mad Jack 23:43, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your Happy Birthday message

Thank you very much for your kind message regarding my birthday. The cookie looks very tasty and I wish I could eat it. Thank you again.--Chile14 03:06, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ewing

You probably pressed on my version when you were looking at my edit, and accidentally reverted it. It's ok, I won't press charges Mad Jack 06:12, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

You were probably possesed by the ghost of something dead... like that television article. Mad Jack 06:13, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Yup, "Television" is haunting you for taunting it with your two year late "Oppose" vote Mad Jack 06:17, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

I think sometimes it takes a little while - or used to - for the change to go through. Because your second edit to Cabot didn't do anything at all. It already added her the first time Mad Jack 06:31, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Grabeel

This may well be the only case I've ever seen of anyone born in the last 30 years or so having a note about their religion - and as detailed as that - on the IMDB [14]. Lucas Grabeel. I can't verify the info or I'd put it in his article. Mad Jack 06:57, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Hmm... well it does say he went to church regularly, went to Brazil or somewhere as part of a mission (Christian Mission, i.e.). Likely true. Same high school as Brad Pitt - must be a big Baptist region. Evangeline Lilly was a missionary, too. Mad Jack 07:03, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

What, Evangeline Lilly or Grabeel? Grabeel, yes, Lilly, a bunch of reliable places. She comes from a very Christian family. Mad Jack 07:05, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

BTW, Grabeel is one of the great surnames. Especially if you've seen Tremors. Mad Jack 07:06, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

I knew that. Of course you haven't. But you have heard of Lilly. Mad Jack 07:07, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Many thanks!

Hi! Thanks for wishing me a happy first edit day! =) That was a spirit lifter for sure!

[edit] My RfA

Thankyou for your participation in my RfA. Due to an almost even spread of votes between Oppose and Support (Final (16/13/6)) I have decided to withdraw for now and re-apply in a couple of months as suggested. I thank everyone for their kind support of my editorial skills; it meant a lot to me to get such strong recommendations from my fellow editors. If you ever have any hints as to how I can improve further, I would love to hear from you. Viridae^Talk 15:24, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Diane Neal

I do not have a cite-able source. She was a member of many of my friend's congregation in NYC. So she is, I just can't find anywhere to document it.

[edit] Yes it is

Polenta is on the list, and so is polenta frita and frango com polenta. I am sorry if you there don't talk about Italian population in Bazil, but it is really huge here. Argentina does have lots of Italians too, but Brazil has even more. Actually, all the Brazilian coffee that Americans drank during the first half of the last century was grown by Italian imigrants. At that time Brazil was the biggest coffee producer on the world and coffee was pratically our only exportation product. Here in southeast, and in south their influence is tremendous. We also have lots of Portugueses too, more than we have Italians, but really, if you lived in São Paulo, you would understand what I mean by "huge population". And about the gnocchi, we have it every Sunday and on every 29th of each month here at home, and we are not even Italian. And we are not the only paulistana family that does it. Trust me, Brazilian ethinicity can't be reduced merelly to Indians, Portugueses and Africans. Specially on the south-southeast area.

P.S. Are you sure you haven't heard that Brazil has a very diverse population... Because as far as I know Argentina is noted for having Spanish, Italian, Arab and German imigrants only. While here we have a large amount of Spanish, Portuguese, Italian, Arab, Greek, Armenian, Jewish (from everywhere), Japanese, Korean, Chinese and other imigrants. We are not the contry on the world with more Italians beside Italy, but we also are the country in the world with more Japaneses beside Japan.

[edit] Oh! That list!

That's because noone bothered including polenta there. I'll include it, I forgot it.

[edit] Sorry

Oh, I have forgoten the tildes... Argentina is ethinicly very diverse, but it is too bad that outside here people don't know how diverse Brazilians are. I myself am half Portuguese, half Jewish (grandparents from Iraq and father from Israel).

Yardena 03:48, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 75.3.11.87

This seems kinda fun, I'll get to it later. Anyway, the spacing issue - I distinctly remember reading somewhere in Wikipedia's rules that the citation should be directly after the "." at the end of the sentence or directly after the word if there is no "." - i.e. with no space. So if there are entries with a space - they should be de-spaced. :) Mad Jack 05:02, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

While obviously, that user's edits are really stupid and incorrect - a few points - Kennedy would definitely not have been regarded as a WASP, and still is not today. In fact, the whole fact that he was Catholic was a big deal at the time (the KKK had "Catholics" on its hate list well into the 1950s and some branches, I believe, still do). As for Urban Dictionary, please don't cite that web site as a source. It's a joke and a Wiki. People can submit whatever they want there. :) Again, that has nothing to do with that guy's edits, which were silly, but I'm just responding to some of your comments :) As for the Irish page, having no space seems good to me (now that we have descriptions by the names), so how about it? Mad Jack 05:09, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Does that guy know you from school or somewhere? I sensed a certain familiarity at first. Anyway, weird edits by him. Mad Jack 05:14, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Polish list

Just so you know, I archived all the discussion and left all the unverified names, to make work there a lot easier (since the discussion, as I hope and pray every day, is finally over ) Mad Jack 05:26, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

BTW, I noticed you previously commented on Talk:Michelle Pfeiffer. Well, a few days ago I looked up a family tree of hers and figured out "who as who" in her family, as well as where her last name originates from. (see her article and talk page) Mad Jack 05:35, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Why do you want to add fuel to the fire? The guy is already blocked and can do little for 29 and a half hours. If you get him angry enough, he may just come back. If not, he may just forget all about it. Remember, we don't want to stand there and add fuel to the fire, we want to jump over the fire while it's not strong enough to follow us. Mad Jack 07:11, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Non-users

Is it no longer possible for non-users to edit? That's mainly why I signed up.

Well, I tried to create a new page, and I wasn't a user, and I couldn't. maybe I clicked something wrong. Is it possible for anonymous users (Those that aren't logged in or are unregistered) to edit and create pages? I know it used to be able to, I'm no longer sure.

Ah, right. I'll sign from now on. TheKhakinator 07:44, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

As of last December (I believe it was), unregistered users (IP accounts) are able to edit most existing pages, but not to create new ones. Newyorkbrad 22:34, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] From Christopher Isar

That is acceptable, but what happened to the Acronyms I added? Isar is more common as an acronym than the river itself.

thank you

Can we create something in the top that tells the user if they are looking for acronyms to redirect to a new page that could be created for the intent of showing acronyms. I believe that ISAR would be searched for in the form of an acronym more than the river itself.

[edit] Re: Welcome Message

Hi Michael: I have decided to join wikipedia because I feel I have something to contribute. At present it may be just limited to comments on certain issues that interest me, in time I hope to actively help with new articles and/or existing ones. The wiki mark up langauge seems fairly straightforward, although I wonder if there is editor-software for the PC that could parse text and convert it into WMUL for posting to wikipedia? Thanks for the welcome.Kerojack, Argenta 08:11, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Text Editors

Thanks for the links, however most if not all the programs listed are either for Mac OSX or Linux. I have Office 2007 Beta installed which probably doesn't help. I have installed the Mozilla Firefox wikipedia toolbar for the time being. Kerojack, Argenta 08:42, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Edits on Wki Entries containing incorrect data

I edited the Pulp (britpop band) entry this morning as one section had data that belonged in a later section. I also added extra information to this data and in my edit summary provided a link to the source. I also added commentary in the Talk page associated with the article. For my future reference, is this an acceptable way of editing pages where the data is incorrect? Kerojack, Argenta 14:24, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] From Cashlandcel

Is there a reason why we are unable to add an appearance date for our company? I signed up for an acct on here and everything just to put when he will be attending an event and you said I could be blocked if I keep editing the page. This is a legitamate appearance and was just curious as to why I can't post anything. Thanks for your time in this matter. Sincerely, Karrah

[edit] My RfA and your vote

Hello Michael, Thanks for participating in my RFA! Ultimately, no consensus was reached, but I still appreciate the fact that you showed up to add in your two cents. Hopefully we'll run into each other some time! You can feel free to talk to me about it or add some advice on my improvement page. Sincerely, The ikiroid (talk·desk·Advise me)

[edit] Klietmann redirect--sorry!

Sorry, what happened? I saw that there were two identical articles, one with Dr. and one without, so I meant to just tidy up. DanB DanD 05:15, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] thx

thank you!

[edit] From Adunaic layman

Thanks! I shall not to cause to much trouble as a newbie.

[edit] From Smalls717

I'll be as bold as I can..

accurate too..