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Ridiculous amount of cheerleading in this article. The liberal bias of Wikipedia never more apparent than with this entry.

Wikipedia is anyone. Does this mean the world has a liberal bias? Debivort 06:29, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
To members of the right wing, reality has a liberal bias.


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[edit] Defunct Air America?

From the current state of the article- "i.e. America Radio Network

Malloy first gained national popularity with a radio audience when his program was syndicated between October 2000 to February 2004 on the now defunct I.E. America Radio Network"

The Air America Radio Network is not defunct, nor is his show discontinued. I am removing the 'defunct's and rearranging this section to be in the present tense.

--Ghoti 04:21, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

I reverted. You might have been a bit confused. The ie America Radio Network is indeed defunct. It was owned by the United Auto Workers, and Employed Mike in the years prior to Air America. BenBurch 11:03, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Clearly Mike Malloy has a point of view, but this page nevertheless seems very POV to me and I suggest the language needs a good bit of improvement. Calicocat 20:16, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Great job on improving the Malloy page. While I am a strong Mike Malloy fan, I do have to admit the previous version of the page could have used some improvment. Thanks! Caseybuck

Thanks Caseybuck! I like Mike Malloy, too, but also wanted to make sure the article was NPOV which I think this is. Calicocat 03:31, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)


Why is it that Rush Limbaugh's page can say he's a college dropout, but if someone makes an edit saying the same thing about Mike Malloy's page, it gets reverted?

What on earth? This is the most POV article on here. I just changed it for the better. Wild statements and phrases like "illegal invasion of Iraq" (I believe the war authorization passed by Congress would disagree) and "Laura Bush's conviction for vehicular manslaughter" (NOT TRUE AT ALL, snopes.com discredited this claim-- no charges were filed.) Man, you'd think Malloy himself wrote this. I changed some but even still, I think this needs improvement.

[edit] Excessive quotes

The usual limit for quotes here is five, with excess going to our sister-project, Wikiquotes. In this instance, the number of nicknames and catchphrases is excessive. Why don't we cut each down to a few examples? -Will Beback 20:46, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Hearing no objection, I'm going to trim down the list to five each. -Will Beback 03:54, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
I'm coming to this discussion late, but I think the excessive quotes serve a good purpose here because they are quite characteristic of the show, and convey its flavor. I'd prefer bringing them back. Debivort 06:29, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
Do we have a verifiable source for them? -Will Beback 03:48, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
I've heard all of them personally on the show, though that may not count. The broadcasts are archived at [1]. Debivort 06:56, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
Can we limit them to five? We do that for Mark Levin, for example. -Will Beback 16:04, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Separate The Mike Malloy Show?

I'd like to move the stuff about the show over to its own page.

[edit] his show is cancelled in NYC

can somebody check?--71.247.176.250 19:19, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

He mentioned it a couple of times, so I'm pretty sure that it's canceled. Its probably irrelavent to the article though, he goes on and off certain affiliates on a fairly regular basis. Pumpkin Pi 17:34, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

How is a little-known, not very popular radio host losing his platform in the biggest radio market in the country "irrelevant?"
Even if he had millions of listeners in other affiliates throughout the country-which he doesn't-it would still be relevant, insofar as the New York media market is paramount.
The fact that he was dumped-in favor of the Satellite Sisters-is very relevant to any discussion of his (flagging) career, which was already anemic.
If you don't believe me, then I suggest you check out some left-wing blogs and fora-such as the Randi Rhodes Message Board-where this issue provoked intense discussion at the time.

Ruthfulbarbarity 02:08, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

M'kay, you make good points. I made the previous comment only because Mike can be heard on XM, the internet and dozens of other Air America stations across the country. I thought that the closure of one source would do comparitively little to a listening audience of 500,000 strong. Pumpkin Pi 22:31, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image

I have asked Mike to provide an image with known copyright status for inclusion. BenBurch 18:38, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Moving Catch Phrases & nicknames

Should we move these sections to The Mike Malloy Show where they may be more appropriate? This would effectively remove most of the content that violates what can be in a Wikipedian biography. What say you? Pumpkin Pi 22:36, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Absolutely. Talk show hosts get two articles: a personal one, and one for their show. I am assuming that the catch phrases and nicknames are leftovers from the days prior to the existence of The Mike Malloy Show article. --Asbl 22:45, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
Okay, I'll move it after we figure out the implications of the apparent removal of Mike from AAR (see below). Thanks. Pumpkin Pi 20:41, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Malloy fired from Air America

According to this post by Malloy's wife/producer and his own website, he is no longer with AAR as of 8/30/06. --Fightingirish 19:55, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

This is a surprise... it seems like the network showed him the backdoor overnight. I'm streaming Randi Rhodes right now that he's supposed to be filling in on, and its Thom Hartman instead of him. Let's see if an official Press Release is given out from AAR before we edit the article. While the evidence is strong, it would be nice to double check from another source first. Pumpkin Pi 20:40, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
Never Mind, Mike's homepage confirms the termination. [2] Bring on the editing... Pumpkin Pi 20:48, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

I removed the AAR infobox and category. I also changed one instance of "is" to "was" in the intro. Someone before me got most of them, but missed that one. Crockspot 20:57, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Good work, we'll stay tuned to see what happens next. If there is no formal Press Release, Peter Werbe may have something to say about the matter this evening. Pumpkin Pi 23:56, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
SON OF A *****!!!! I was about to pay for Air America's premium service. Sure as hell won't now!Spazzz 02:05, 31 August 2006 (UTC) ((EDIT: Forgot to log in))

[edit] Head On Radio Network

I added a section on the rebrodcasting of best of episodes dating back to 2003 on HORN. Some have said that once HORN gets its finances straight that they may hire Malloy for a live show. Does anyone have any concrete information on this? Ben? Pumpkin Pi 03:08, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

I've done some research on it and right now it appears to be nothing more than speculation. Mike did state in a radio interview on Harrison on the Edge a talk program in LA that he was compleately blindsided by this and he was amazed at the response he had recived thus far over this issue. He said he and Kathy were "still pretty much in shock over it all" and that "As Arnie said, I'll be back." Spazzz 05:57, 4 September 2006 (UTC) ((I really need to remember to log in before I start posting stuff.))

No worries about the log-in, I do the same thing. Anyways, you're absolutely right, as of now everything is purely speculative about Malloy's future. On his message board [3], word is that he will be doing an interview similar to the one with Harrison later this week to update us on the latest information. Untill then, cheers. Pumpkin Pi 02:30, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Nova M Radio

I'm making a section on this based on the information here: [4]

Feel free to edit Pumpkin Pi 03:30, 16 October 2006 (UTC)


I think it's important that this "ENCYCLOPEDIA' not be without its corrections and clarity. Mr. Malloy sent me a threatening e-mail with nasty and severe profanity because I simply disagreed with him. No more. No less. I forwarded this e-mail on to management at WLS on a Friday Morning and he was terminated that afternoon. So my editing on Mike Malloy's profile is not without merit nor witness.

The information that he was terminated because WLS had purged left-leaning talk show host is Mr. Malloy's is an attempt by Mr. Malloy to cover up the real reason why he was terminated. Although my information could be construed to be inflammatory, however, it is to be understood that this website is not be used for strictly propaganda and self promotional purposes but it is to be used for the purpose of educating the public. For Mr. Malloy to write this also is to be noted that there are no witness' that he was terminated because of his leftist opinions. I think it would be important for the reader to decide who is right.

My information that I write will stand.

[edit] WLS

I found this section to be quite POV, in the pro-Malloy direction. Someone saw the need to add anti-Malloy POV for "balance". POV from either side should not be in the article, so I rewrote the section to be completely neutral, leaving no need for "balance". - Crockspot 16:20, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

  • I'm not sure it was POV so much as uncited - after all, whether he had the top ratings in 1996 is verifiable - though a google search was superficially unhelpful for me. Whoever wrote it initially - please provide your source. Debivort 16:38, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
  • If it isn't sourced, it is assumed to be POV and OR added by the contributor. If there are reliable secondary sources that talk about why he left the station, etc, then it can go back in, but lacking any reliable sourcing, it should stay neutral, factual, and uncontestable, ie., he worked there from X to Y. - Crockspot 16:43, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Not sure what "added by the contributor" means - we're all contributors right? But I agree, unsourced = out. Debivort 17:26, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
  • By that I mean, whoever contributed the text originally. The problem with a lot of these types of articles is that they are usually put together by fans, who tend to paint a somewhat rosy picture of the subject, and who tend to know more about the subject than is published in reliable sources. Then someone who hates the subject comes along and feels the need to add countering information to add balance. WP:NPOV calls for neutrality, neither a rosy nor a crappy picture, just the uncontested verifiable facts. I actually would still like to see some sort of citation verifying his employment at WLS, but unless people are contesting that he ever actually worked there for those dates, it's not a hot issue. - Crockspot 17:40, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

I was just released from BLOCK status because I keep editing Mr. Malloy's employment at WLS. First of all. Yes, he was employed there. He had a 10:00 to 12:00 time slot. Second, he was terminated because his lack of civility with his audinace on and off the air. One of the reasons I was blocked was that I was adding some information that wasn't verified. My question is, by who? What I was writting wasn't heard from a third party. It was I who had this entaglment with him. Mr. Malloy or someone wrote in this profile that he was terminated because the station was letting go all left-leaning talk show host(s). I don't know if that is true but THAT WASN'T VERIFIED. Someone recent edited Mr. malloy's stint at WLS radio that he was simply employed there. I can accept this edit. Capsource1

  • Capsource, your edits were being reverted because at wikipedia, no original research is allowed. As Crockspot said quite well, articles on controversial people are mostly written by fans (in this case mostly liberals), but also attract those with against more progressive ideologies. Unfortunately Capsource, regardless of whether your claim is correct or not, it would not be appropriate in a wikipedia article even if you were a fan talking about your experiences having a picnic with Mike and Cathy. See the first pillar of wikipedia for more information (Wikipedia:Five pillars) I hope that this explains why we had to revert your work so many times. Its nothing against you, its just that we must respect the rules of this website. Pumpkin Pi 22:02, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
  • I understand but let me ask you a question. In the body of his stint at WLS it said that he was terminated because WLS was purging liberal-leaning talk show host. Isn't this a biased statement? Isn't this information unverified? Doesn't that tend to make him looke like a 'victim'?

That's why I challenged the statement. I tend to agree that my writings on the matter were inappropiate but I made an attempt to point out that what was written was also inappropiate. At this time I see that it was removed and that's what I was attempting to accomplish.

  • First of all before I comment on this let me just throw out a little self disclosure here and say I am an avid Malloy fan. However as a Wikipedia editor I try my best not to allow my personal feelings on any given matter to POV my edits I also am relitively new so if my argument is flawed please feel free to point out how. It is a verifiable fact that all of WLS's left leaning radio hosts were replaced by people like Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity. Therefore I feel the statement that Malloy was fired as part of a left wing purge is a valid statement. I also feel however that there should also be documentable proof of Mike Malloy or another news source stating as such. Then the statement should stand. However a middle ground approach could be to simply state that his program was replaced by, whatever. I belive this to be the core issue. Neither viewpoint has been sourced to my knowlage.

[edit] Nova M Radio Affiliates

What is the best way to catalogue this? To my knowledge the former AAR affiliates in at least Seattle, San Diego and Florida have released statements similar to this one: [5]. I'm sure I'm missing some, and Malloy has stated that he has set up a dialogue with about a dozen stations around the country. Thus, how should we document this? Should we list the affiliates as they start to carry the show, or just edit the current broad statement, "It remains to be seen whether Malloy's former affiliates will carry the program"? Pumpkin Pi 03:22, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Documenting Nicknames

Is an audio clip sufficient sourcing? BenBurch 05:30, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Does wikipedia have a policy to determine how many nicknames would be too many, too few or just right? Do you seriously believe anybody's making them up? And should anyone be compelled to search through hours of archives at whiterosesociety.org? It does no harm. Leave it be, in fact this section should be reverted. 70.18.126.18 03:20, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bush Crime Family

I believe that primarily the "Bush Crime Family" statement is about the Bush family and at best secondarily about the associates. Starting with GWB, he had three insider trading issues while his father was president. There was wheeling and dealings that he and his business partners did to get land around Arlington stadium on the cheap, originally purchased through citizen sales taxes. He had a DWI arrest where the paperwork has been lost. He was involved in "pranks” during his college days that were criminal (theft). etc…

His grandfather did illegal business with the Nazi's during World War 2. At least three of his children or nieces or nephews have had drug and drinking related arrests. His brother Neil was part of the savings and loan debacle. His wife was involved in a car "accident" that killed her ex-boyfriend. etc… A truer description of a family has never been quoted.


Nov. 25: Sam Bush and Prescott Bush, W's great-uncle and grandfather, respectively, were tried for treason in 1942 under the "Trading with the Enemy Act" by the U.S. Justice Dept. As a result they were forced to liquidate Union Banking, their Nazi-money laundering company. The proceeds of this liquidation, 1.5 million each, were used to start up the Bush family oil concerns in Texas. Thus, George W. has Nazi change jingling in his pocket while he has never spoken about this and has in fact spoken at Holocaust events. Please google to see my article on the Bush-Nazi connection that appeared in April 2001 in the Jewish Advocate and which was subsequently referenced by Michael Moore in his book "Stupid White Men." This is not meant to defend Mike Malloy in any way, but rather adds to previous commentary on the Bush family. Susie Davidson

[edit] New passage

The new text by 65.96.122.136 is contains many weasel and POV words, and lacks citations. It also strikes me as par for the course for political talk radio. I am inclined to remove it. Anyone have thoughts? Debivort 16:58, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

I will be happy to neutralize my text in certain places, but in looking over both Malloy's Wikipedia entry and this talk log, I see that there is as much POV cheerleading for Malloy, and also that you have consistenly defended Malloy so that you yourself might appear to be unobjective. I am an Air America listener and thus not unobjective, but would not put that within my comments. Also the mid-article inclusion was a first-time error which I deleted as soon as I saw it. Susie

  • Hi Susie, welcome, and thanks for registering, as well as joining the discussion of your edits. I'm afraid there are still a number of concerns with your passage. However, maybe I should address your above comments first. 1) If you see other aspects of the Mike Malloy article that are POV, you should remove them or tone them down, rather than add new POV content. 2) POV on the talk page is unfortunate, but not regulated by policy. It is also fairly inevitable, as the talk page is where all the details should be flushed out. 3) As for my personally having "consistenly defended Malloy" - it's possible I'm POV, but I try not to be - the most that can be expected of anyone. In several cases, I have relinquished my own editing stubborness, when persuaded that the text I was defending (but didn't personally write) was not consistent with the POV policies (see above discussion with Capsource1 and Crockspot).
Now for the meat of it. You need to "neutralize" your text in all places. Examples of the current version that are clearly POV include: "As far as airing any defense" = weasel words, "below-the-belt tactics", "at least one"=weasel words, "tried to defend", "stretched out his own anti-Israel commentary," etc. etc. etc. Because these weasel words and POV phrases are so prevalent, I express my continued doubt that the paragraph can remain in anything near its current form. Moreover...
Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a collection of anecdotes. Assuming it happened (it remains unsourced), this particular incident is not particularly important or noteworthy. This sort of exchange happens almost everytime a conservative calls a liberal show, or a liberal calls a conservative show. Would you see a paragraph like this in an Encyclopædia Britannica article? I doubt it. Please consider a heavy revision of your edit. Debivort 17:54, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks and although I don't entirely agree with your comments, I'll revise my paragraph again. I do not see my stated instance of Malloy's conduct as anecdotal but rather a concrete example of his style, to fit within the "style" section and to precede another paragraph of commentary on Malloy's style and how it has been taken. I did not say "he is known to do this" but rather the more objective "on at least one occasion" so as to allow the reader to decide whether this was one occasion, or typical of Malloy. I do not see how if this sort of thing occurs on say Rush Limbaugh, it should also not be stated in an encyclopedic entry (which should include both definitions and examples). I'll work on the weasel words. And I apologize for leaving out the t in consistent and thank you for repeating my error so as to draw my attention to it. As a final note, I have also added content to the talk section on the Bush crime family and the Nazi dealings of Sam and Prescott Bush, but this was not to defend Malloy but rather to state history as it occurred. Susie

  • The reason I believe this section is not encyclopedic has to do with its length and relative prominence compared to other briefer descriptions of malloy's style. The article already indicates that his commentaries are mocking, relentless and vitriolic. Adding a long story consistent with those descriptions seems to add very little. Also, by your own reasoning a supporter of Malloy could come along and add a long paragraph about a nice conversation he or she heard Malloy have. This too would be redundant and add little. I would refer you to the articles on Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and Randi Rhodes (all controversial political radio hosts with more prominence than malloy- and presumably more need for detailed encyclopedic descriptions). None of these pages has a single anecdote like the one you have included. I would encourage you to find a way to merge the text into the existing sections. Debivort 20:45, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
  • The point of the paragraph is all in the first sentence. The rest is superfluous, and not encyclopedic. I moved the first sentence to the end of the Background section, and removed the rest. A statement like that should still cite a source, but since the entire article lacks sourcing, and it probably isn't a disputed statement (I could be wrong), I'm letting it slide for now. But this article is in serious need of some sources. Crockspot 01:00, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
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