Talk:Mike Long

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Articles for deletion This article was nominated for deletion on September 18, 2006. The result of the discussion was keep.


[edit] This is supposed to be history, not a commercial

The bias in this article is ridiculous. Mike obviously just wrote his own profile. Mike is a cheater and this is what he is remembered for.

  • Mike didn't write his own article. I wrote this article. There are a lot of articles that read like commercials, but don't act as though Mike didn't develop some of the most revolutionary decks in the history of the game. Davemcarlson 20:59, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Bluffing, not cheating?

"At the 1997 Pro-Tour Paris, Long was playing Mark Justice. Mike realized that he would lose the next turn if he could not get his "engine" to go off this turn. However, in order to get his combo to go off, he would have to discard his only win condition - a single Drain Life he had placed in his deck. He decided to do so anyways. After drawing a large number of cards with a large Prosperity, Long asked his opponent "Do I really have to go through all the motions?". Before the days of well-known and circulated internet decklists, Justice didn't realize that Mike had no way of winning the game, so he said "No" and conceded the game"

Isn't that just a solid bluff? MewtwoStruckBack 16:40, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

That incident is definitely a bluff. There used to be a lot more describing him as a cheater, but since it was unsourced it had to be removed per WP:BLP. Jay32183 17:52, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Then shouldn't it be removed from the controversy section? That's an entirely legitimate move, just like going all-in with 7-2 offsuit in No Limit Texas Hold'Em. I don't doubt that he's done his fair share of cheating; it's just that this wasn't an instance of it. MewtwoStruckBack 16:45, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

It's contraversial because many CCG players consider that kind of mind-play inappropriate. A common view is that the strategy should be in the deck building and studious play. Mind games like rushing a player or bluffing are generally viewed as unsportsmanlike. The controversy grew after Mark Rosewater nominated Long for the hall of fame for this very incident.[1] -- Malber (talk • contribs) 17:03, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] That's it?

That's all he's done? The controversy section needs more material. If most of his criticisms had no sources or proof (and were removed from this article); and these are the only verifiable criticisms/controversial actions he's made, than why exactly is he so hated in the Magic tournament community? I know there is a lot of controversy surrounding him; but this article does not do that any justice -- I could still not understand how he's become so disliked. The section mentions a bluff; although it is controversy and unsportsmanlike; it is not against the rules; and I consider it to be very smart -- it reminds me of what people do in Poker. So based on this, I KNOW that there is a lot more stuff Mike Long has done wrong; he is hated for bigger reasons than the ones mentioned here. Can someone include in the article some of his more important and controversial-moves and cite sources for them? 24.23.51.27 11:26, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Sure, you can, if you know of these things, and can cite them properly. Mister.Manticore 20:19, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
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