Talk:Mike Godwin

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The subject of this article, Mike Godwin, has edited Wikipedia as User:Mikegodwin. (This message should only be placed on talk pages.)

Contents 1 User:Mikegodwin editing this page 2 Inappropriate editing? 3 Dispute with Larvatus 4 Birthdate 5 Vandalism Alert

[edit] User:Mikegodwin editing this page

Mr. Godwin, it is inappropriate for you to edit an article about yourself. Please do not remove content because you disagree or don't approve of listing it here. This is not your user page. - Tεxτurε 18:29, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

That's certainly not a Wikipedia policy, although creating articles about yourself is discouraged (while not prohibited either). Even members of the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Directors seem to edit the articles about themselves[1][2]. Welcome to Wikipedia, Mikegodwin! --Grouse 19:26, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Texture apparently has a problem with my correcting the mistaken impression that I hosted a panel at H2K2. I was booked to host that panel, but because of scheduling problems couldn't attend. --Mike

Would it be better if Mike posted suggested corrections to this Talk page and asked somebody else to do the edits for him? I don't have any problem with Mike's edits, but if you allow it to happen then you end up with the current problem of politicians replaced well written articles with their own sickeningly sycophantic drivel. Although I suppose any such policy could draw a distinction between fixing uncontroversial verifiable facts and the politicians just removing uncontroversial verifiable facts that they don't want publicised, such as their voting record. Aaron McDaid (talk - contribs) 13:28, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

That's why the wiki-gods created reverts. If for some reason there were a page about you that had out-right factual errors, why should you not fix the errors? I see no difference in a person editing details of his own life and a person editing details of an entry in which they have any other form of interest.--Smallwhitelight 17:59, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Inappropriate editing?

(Copied from User talk:Mikegodwin)

It appears you are claiming to be Mike Godwin and editing Godwin's law. If you are Mike Godwin then it is inappropriate for you to be editing content related to yourself. If you are not, then please cease pretending to be Mr. Godwin. - Tεxτurε 16:06, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Texture, would you please cite the Wikipedia policy you are referring to which states that it is inappropriate for a user to edit content to which they are personally related? I was not aware of such a policy. Hall Monitor 15:58, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I believe the Wiki guideline he's referring to is Wikipedia:Autobiography. Basically it discourages you from writing or significantly editing articles about yourself, since it is difficult to maintain a neutral point of view about yourself. Of course, you can edit clear cut mistakes and typos, etc, but otherwise it's better to talk about your suggested changes in your article's talk page and let independent editors handle implementing those suggestions in the actual article itself. Dugwiki 21:35, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Except that it wasn't actually a guideline more than a year ago when that claim was made[3]. Why bring this up now anyway? I think this talk page may need a cleanup. Grouse 22:03, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dispute with Larvatus

This page is being repeatedly vandalized by an anonymous user posting from IP address 68.49.2.164 removing information supported by public Usenet record. Larvatus 00:37, 6 November 2005 (UTC)larvatus

The article is still being vandalized by the aforementioned anonymous user posting from IP address 68.49.2.164, now extending his or her censorship efforts to this discussion page. Larvatus 05:24, 6 November 2005 (UTC)larvatus

Anonymous vandalism is ongoing with no attempts at justifying the removal of documented information. This cowardly behavior pattern is strongly reminiscent of the titular subject in the referenced incident. Administrative assistance is welcome. Larvatus 21:18, 6 November 2005 (UTC)larvatus

If Mike Godwin is notable, his entitlement to public attention is due to his Usenet presence. His career as a tergiversating duellist is well attested in that venue. [4] The referenced public record of his Usenet posts includes notice of Godwin's own escalation of the imbroglio into the pages of The Wall Street Journal. [5] Godwin's effort at promoting himself as an Internet peacekeeper deserves to be commemorated here. Larvatus 02:32, 8 November 2005 (UTC)larvatus

These comments are highly inappropriate. Wikipedia is not a place for personal attacks.

As for the substance of your claim, remember that Wikipedia is not for original research. A Google search is not proof of anything. The referenced Wall Street Journal article only contains a quote from Mike Godwin which does not concur with your version of events. Not that Wikipedia is an appropriate place for this he-said, she-said kind of thing. --Grouse 08:33, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

I defer to the notice of impropriety and extend apologies to all concerned parties. I have replaced the offending epithets with a neutral description of the subject matter at issue.

Thanks for making Wikipedia a more civil place. --Grouse 18:03, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

As to the substance, a Google Groups search is 99% dispositive in matters pertaining to Usenet celebrity. It does not represent original research, but rather comprises the matter at issue. This is owed to the undisputed fact that the article under discussion is predominantly dedicated to Mike Godwin's Usenet persona. I contend that my contribution is an accurate and neutral summary of the referenced events. Nevertheless, in the interests of impartiality, instead of reverting your edits, I am inviting any disinterested third party to evaluate the subject matter objectively. Larvatus 13:52, 8 November 2005 (UTC)larvatus

It's unclear why "larvatus" is trying to turn this biographical stub into a larvatus-centric vanity page. It seems to be the case that there's already a vanity-page entry for "larvatus" on wikipedia, largely dedicated, apparently, to his stalking of his ex-girlfriend. Probably that page should be marked for deletion, since it violates Wikipedia's policies under a range of criteria. In any case, MODERATOR ATTENTION IS INVITED regarding "larvatus" and his frequent attempts to insert himself into this page.

It is a base slur to say that the "larvatus" entry in Wikipedia is a vanity page, given that the discussion of my exploits on that page is an important entry in any relevant encyclopedia. Similarly, it is vile of Godwin and/or his allies to assert that my relationship with Erin Zhu was anything other than holy. Finally, given the baseness of Godwin, I believe I should be exempted from the three-reversion rule. Michael Zeleny

Note: Michael Zeleny is an impersonator of User:Larvatus. FeloniousMonk 05:18, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

I confirm that the party deceptively registered as Wikipedia User:MichaelZeleny has nothing to do with me, Michael Zeleny. Larvatus 07:38, 8 November 2005 (UTC)larvatus

If true, this is not appropriate behavior either. You guys need a timeout. --Grouse 08:35, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Birthdate

Erm, why doesn't this biographical article contain a birthdate? —Simetrical (talk • contribs) 06:15, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism Alert

This page has been vandalized by MCB and Calton operating in tandem. They deleted information about Mr. Godwin's elite undergraduate program and his Well membership. (Personal attack removed) --RichardBennett 10:42, 12 June 2006 (UTC)