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Contents 1 Indonesia 2 Java collaboration 3 Religion In Indonesia 4 Image Tagging for Image:Pariaman Symbol.gif 5 Mount Tambora is on FAC 6 Indonesian Chinese vs Chinese Indonesian 7 Indonesian architecture 8 Candi 9 Architecture 10 Geographically challenged tourist brochures and editors etc etc 11 Thanks 12 Indonesia collaboration 13 Infobox 14 Yamin 15 Work 16 Airports 16.1 Rumah Gadang 17 Weh Island 18 Article in need of cleanup - please assist if you can 19 WPI on indonesian localities

[edit] Indonesia

Are you really on wikibreak?? he he. Anyway, what do you think of the Indonesian Civil War => to Overthrow of Sukarno move? ACtually, i think it is an improvement although not ideal. (also i don't think much of that guy's style - he buggered it up and left a bit of a mess). Maybe "Downfall of Sukarno" is better? But i admit i had never heard of it referred to as a Civil War. Also, what do you think of the last few days' changes to Indonesia? There have been quite a few. A new section on Natural History. It's currently within Geography as I think there is a definite relationship between them (which I'd like to strengthen) but Imoeng wants to seperate them cos he thinks it's too long - lol. SOme article have FLora & Fauna, but that is very narrow IMO as it Geography-Ecology-F&F is all linked. Also, i extended the Further Reading section. I saw such a section on another country's page, but forgot which. I wanted to add a description of each book, but Imoeng discouraged me from - he likes it as it. --Merbabu 08:21, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Java collaboration

hi MichaelJLowe. Starting today, the Indonesia Collaboration is Java. Come along and help make this a page worthy of the world’s most magnificent island. There’s a suggested to-do list on the the Talk page to which you can add, or just pick a task. All sorts of tasks are required, Images, Citations, Research, Copy Edit, you name it – this important article needs your help!! regards --Merbabu 08:56, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Religion In Indonesia

Saw your comments - I agree wholeheartedly about the fact that there is a world out there that wasnt "official" ifor most of Indonesian national history - my problem is that my refs are not at hand (still) - there were and probably stil are issues that I think will not "fit" easily into the main article - as I was trying to put in a talk item to merbabu a day or so ago -that my interest is in the "difficult" items that need separate articles from the main generalised entry articles - I mean - having been exxposedd to the ephemeral nature of kejawen groups in central java in the early 90's - or the clues about them - they quite possibly simply are belum cocok with current uindertsandings - I dont know SatuSuro 01:51, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image Tagging for Image:Pariaman Symbol.gif

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[edit] Mount Tambora is on FAC

Hi, sorry for this spam. If you have some time, then could you please chime in FAC? Thanks. — Indon (reply) — 16:25, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Michael. I was trying to update the FAC to reply your comments, but you've changed it support. ;-) — Indon (reply) — 11:30, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Indonesian Chinese vs Chinese Indonesian

Hi -- regarding your recent edits on Overseas Chinese etc., pls see Wikipedia:Redirect#Don't fix links to redirects that aren't broken (unless it's a redirect from a misspelling, an incorrect or offensive term, etc.). In this case, both terms "Chinese Indonesian" and "Indonesian Chinese" are widely used and there's no reason to say one is more correct than the other. Thanks! cab 00:40, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Also of interest, see Talk:Malaysian Chinese/Move debate. That didn't come to consensus on much, but one thing to note is that both nationality followed by ethnicity (e.g. British Chinese) and ethnicity followed by nationality (e.g. Chinese American) are grammatically correct in English. There's no rule that says one must follow the other, contrary to what has been asserted (without citation) on Talk:Chinese Indonesian. cab 00:56, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

So how exactly are "Indonesian Chinese" or "Malaysian Chinese" grammatically incorrect? cab 01:16, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Indonesian architecture

The traditional housing section was fun cos there were too many examples from all over Indonesia to cite. But, as I research the religious and colonial sections, I realise a Java focus would have been better. Oh, well - it's still a good place to start. I am sure Indonesian architecture is esoteric enough for most punters! --Merbabu 14:43, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Candi

Fair enough, It'll be a cat fight when I start getting nit-picking with some parts anyways(heheh) enjoy! I love the absent notes on your page and your heavy editing at same time - reminds me of the Douglas Adams thing about Zarniwoop he's off on an interstellar trip... yes he _is_ in his office SatuSuro 15:27, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Architecture

Well, let's be parochial then!  ;-) Nice work Candi - it's great. What do you suggest? Maybe expand the opening section, and then slowly create the "child articles"? --Merbabu 15:25, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Geographically challenged tourist brochures and editors etc etc

Prpls produce some of the crppiest maps of java with so many mistajkes - ten years ago I went to great length to explain to them - their checkers couldnt give a dam - they more or less replied with slartibartfast (douglas adams again) nonchalance (who liked his norwegian fjords) that they were pleased with the rivers - after I had pointed out that their roads in the bantul area were impossible! So wrong locations/directions/ and fifty year old railway lines long gone all recurr like anything in almost all maps and guide books - I've long given up taking any of the publishers on about such stuff. As for candi - if they dont show up on a google or clusty check - they're out! IMHO regardless. As for merbabus suggestion - I would be very wary avout child articles for some individual candi - I think it'd be much wiser doing clusters of some as there simply isnt enough to create more than a stub anyway. Oh well, two bobs worth for today SatuSuro 09:53, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

	Thanks for your support for Mount Tambora's FAC entry. The article is now featured.
	— Indon (reply) — 10:51, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Indonesia collaboration

Hi MichaelJLowe! It's the last few days of the Garuda Indonesia collaboration. Please contribute!!!

Also, could you please vote for the next fortnight's collaboration? Please vote down the bottom of this page. The collab for the fortnight will be decided this Sunday 26th (or Monday at the latest). By the way, we could also chose Garuda Indonesia for another week.

So please visit and help choose the next article. Any questions/comments, please let me know. I'd love to hear from you particularly if you have any good suggestions! :-) --Merbabu 10:31, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Infobox

Hey, nice one. I'd like to make also for Borobudur. I can't find any useful box for a monument. Do you have any idea? — Indon (reply) — 09:04, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

I found one: Template:Infobox Historic building, but there's one caveat that one mandatory parameter is "Location Town" of which Borobudur is not in a town. I have asked this to the template's talk page and it seems that the creator agrees to change it. Oh about the picture, yes I agree about it. There is one even better: eo:Dosiero:Borobuduro1.jpg (from esperanto wikipedia), but too bad that it has no license. Actually, there are many good pictures of Borobudur that needed to be allocated in the article. I still have also some ideas about Borobudur ground plans. Oh well, there are still a lot of things to do for this such a great monument. Thanks for your reply. ;-) — Indon (reply) — 11:18, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Yamin

Hey, I think it needs lot of copy editing - dont you? Its a good start, but... SatuSuro 12:45, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Wow - how can we slip something in on that? difficult i think. anyways - I have foolishly spread myself further - now doing oz maritime history as well as everything else! SatuSuro 13:05, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Seems to be attracting tags like flies - trying to chase them off not very successfully - have you had contact with the person? dosnt seem to respond to things SatuSuro 10:00, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Work

You need barnstars by the bucketful - I hope you realise your hard work hasnt gone un-noticd! SatuSuro 00:13, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Funny that - the feeling I had when I saw the huge panel/story on Borobudur - simply passed it on to merbabu who deleted it - sometimes it is very wearing on here... :( SatuSuro 05:09, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Airports

Hmm - i certainly agree a good series of articles on airports is important, and for all airports. But, personally, i find editing and reading them a bit, um, dull. Since we are on the aviation, I recently removed a whole section on Garuda's new frequent flyer program. Do you agree a wise move? Btw, i knew you are an aussie but i thought you lived in Indonesia? Oh, and i got some info on Rumah gadang. Actually, it suggests that rumah gadang is the more elaborate versions - for the chiefs/regents, but the ordinary homes, even with the fancy roofs aren't actually rumah gadang. any thoughts? --Merbabu 14:41, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Airports - yeah - I used to live within woopee of Adisucipto - if the info sources are easy to track count me in (counts - 1,546th thread to follow up) SatuSuro 14:49, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your web link. Your experiences, are very similar to mine - yet being a completely different island, very different. Wow - what a house!!!! It's gorgeous. So, is Joyce your wife? I heard thru the grapevince/(the late great imoeng) that you are married to a Minangkabauen. You know my wife is Javanese? Orang Salatiga. Hence my username. lol. Sumatra - wow. One day, sigh. I am about to start the oma sebua article. The traditional chief houses of Nias. I love them. Maybe my favourite Indonesian rumah adat. --Merbabu 15:27, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rumah Gadang

I have a text explaining the use of ijuk or sugar palm for the tatch. Do you now the correct dab for sugar palm? My dictionary says, "palm fibre from sugar palm". --Merbabu 16:07, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

...and, my text describes the rumah gadang as the larger "communal" version, of minangkabau rumah adat. Not regal/chief version. sorry. --Merbabu 16:08, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Weh Island

Thank you. I think I get addicted now with wikipedia, lol. :-) It was a side-effect article from the list of volcanoes, created a new page, googling once to create a new stub article, digging more, digging more, more and more, hahaha. Oh, I saw your website in geocities (I see your face now ;-) from Merbabu's talk page. Nice to have visited Minangkabau. My wife is also Minang, from Bukittinggi area, but I've never been there, lol. It's been one item in my vacation list.... someday. Again, thanks. — Indon (reply) — 14:53, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

I got a mixture of Java and Melayu (Riau), but grew up in Sundanese area (Bandung), then got a wife from Minang who's parents live in Medan. So I guess that's we call it Indonesia, lol. Worse that I only speak harsh Sundanese from the street. :-) — Indon (reply) — 12:32, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Article in need of cleanup - please assist if you can

[edit] WPI on indonesian localities

I had put a whole range of Indonesian locations on my watch list - and have noticed they have no wp tags on their talk pages - I am thinking of doing so - I'd be interested to know whether you think there's a problem with that or no. Hey cannot believe your productivity! Well done! SatuSuro 12:21, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Most of them are the stub locations that you have been working on with the regency and distruct boxes - so I know that here and there I can add bits and pieces so I might do it manually anyway,,, but I know in early stages of WPI there was considerable antagonism about too much material being placed in midlle or higher status - at least i know most are stubs! When I get my wali sanga and sacred places lists working (if ever) - tying into localities and districts will be v. useful SatuSuro 22:16, 14 December 2006 (UTC)