Talk:Michael Mann (film director)
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[edit] Ali
Someone familiar with the film, please rewrite the section. — Shadowhillway 00:48, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
Is it just me, or does this page have an extreme problem with POV? Examples: "This movie is a cops and robbers epic with an impressive bank heist sequence that is one of the very best of its kind ever put on screen." "While it received mixed reviews from the critics and a lukewarm reception at the box office, Ali is an absorbing historical biopic in the grand tradition of Oliver Stone." When I go to the wikipedia, I don't want to read reviews and opinions, just facts. This article is in need of some serious rewriting. Wilpower 14:35, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] cleanup tag added
Like Wilpower, I came here looking for facts and got what looks like a publicist's statement. This article is a mess -- for one thing, most of it is just a summary of all of Mann's films, each of which already has its own page, and the info here adds absolutely nothing. And the final section is a list of unsourced fanboy rumours and wishful thinking. It also has serious POV problems and is rife with peacock terms in place of facts. --Misterwindupbird 19:39, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
Okay, I've cleaned up this entry considerably so that it is much more fact-based. -- J.D. 2:15, 29 April 2006
- Nice work. It reads much better now. --Mr Wind-Up Bird ✈ 15:08, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Film Template
I've created a template for Mann's films: Template:Michael_Mann_Films Anyone interested in having this perhaps replace the filmography which looks kinda clunky? -- Count Ringworm 19:52, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
- I just readded a filmography section, not realizing that the article had previously had one and had it removed in favour of the template at the bottom (which I looked over when I was reading the article and didn't even realize was there). Anyways, it seems to me that the "clunky" filmography section is standard practice for directors at wikipedia (see Francis Ford Coppola, Steven Spielberg, Martin Scorsese, and Alfred Hitchcock for examples), and I think it's what users are expecting to find in the Michael Mann article, so I vote to keep it in. SweetP112 13:53, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Color: a small point
The section on color is a little flaky. The color blue in Mann's films is not necessarily a sign of safe haven, but of isolation, barrenness, introspection. Mann himself says this in the director's commentary on the Heat DVD, going so far as to point out that, in the subsequent dinner scene, it's "not by accident" that the background is blue when Neal goes to call Eady (the phone room's background color is blue)...Neal is the loner, attempting to close the distance that he's created between himself and the rest of humanity. That's what blue represents (at least in Heat).
(Ironically, in the wiki article, the caption to the famous "blue" scene in Heat, just to the right of the section on Color, says "the use of color and physical space to symbolize the isolation of Neil..." [emphasis mine])
Also, the comment "in Heat, two cops hide behind a red truck"--if I understand which scene we're talking about--is off...they're hiding behind a U-haul truck, which is A) orange and B) more important for being a truck (i.e., cover), not red. Also, yes, an attempted suicide in a bathtub is red, because blood is red. I think the color is a non-issue as far as color choice goes; it's more important that there is blood and there's been an attempted suicide than anything else.
In short, there's no argument that color plays a huge role in Mann's films, but this article shouldn't overstate or misrepresent those uses or generalize across films.
[edit] Thematic Preoccupations section
The "Thematic Preoccupations" section is crammed with original research, who made this list? Wikipedia is not the place to give your summaries of films or directors. Nor is it a place to give your interpretations of films or director's perceived motivations.Quadzilla99 23:17, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
- Why not? other directors have sections devoted to their themes. For example: the Wes Anderson entry. 209.204.80.34 14:05, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
