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[edit] Hiatt Baker
Why get rid of a whole article, that people have contributed to, and set it back to the redirect? I Have reinstated the article, as well as added some recent news Mikey - "so emo, it hurts"©
- Because the hall is not notable, and it's a better option than having to go through AFD, where it would be deleted, anyway. Also, please don't use a tempate for your signature. Proto::type 13:54, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Hi Mikey
Thnaks for your message on my talk page. Here's the contents of the article, as it stood. I will explain why this article is not suitable for Wikipedia:
- Hiatt Baker Hall is one of the nine halls of residence of the University of Bristol. It sits at the bottom of the hill of the Stoke Bishop site, overlooked by Wills Hall. The Hall houses around 440 students, the largest number in a University of Bristol hall, plus tutors, in two buildings, each of which is divided into three blocks (i.e. A,B,C and D,E,F blocks).
Nothing of encyclopaedic value. Knowing where the block is and how the blocks work is not suitable for Wikipedia, and does not suggest why the hall is notable.
- The majority of these students are in their first year of study, but a number of students decide to return to the hall for their second or third years of study. The Hiatt Baker JCR committee consists of first year students, all of whom are voted into office in the first week of November. Their term lasts a year before handing over to newly elected freshers. The current president is Lisa Belton, however she will relinquish her position in early November. The Current Warden of Hiatt Baker Hall is William Boyd, Dean of Science at the University of Bristol, and a lecturer in mathematics.
Nothing of encyclopaedic value. We don't need to know who the staff and the JCR of the hall are. This is not information of interest to anyone outside of Hiatt Baker Hall. Again, it does not suggest why the hall is notable.
- Hiatt Baker Hall is one of the cheaper[1] catered halls of the University of Bristol.
A point that would make it (particularly as it's referenced) into an encyclopaedia article, but not a reason for an article. Doesn't assert why the hall is notable.
- Hiatt Baker Hall was built in 1966 and is named after one of the University's distinguished benefactors, the late Hiatt Cowles Baker, an eminent botanist[2], after a large part of one of his botanic gardens was destroyed whilst building Senate House, the administrative offices of the University of Bristol.
Interesting, again would be in the article, but no assertion why the hall is notable or important amongst other halls.
- The Future of Hiatt Baker Hall, at least in it's current form, appears to be under threat from demolition[3]. A recent meeting of the University of Bristol's Estate Development Committee has discussed plans to modernise the Stoke Bishop site in an attempt to provide more study rooms, and ease sometimes tense inter-hall relations. Although no names were mentioned in the report, it seems likely that University Hall, and possibly Hiatt Baker and Badock Halls, face demolition.
After the first sentence, this is original research and speculation.
- The sports facilities at Wills Hall are nearby and are available for use by all of the students on the Stoke Bishop site, but Hiatt Baker also has a few of its own sports facilities, including a table-tennis table, two full size Snooker tables, a Pool Table and a darts board. There is a full-size Grand Piano in the hall and a separate music room.
Useless. Reads like a tourist guide, not encyclopaedic.
So, that is the article. It doesn't assert why the hall is notable, it contains speculation and prospectus information, it is not encyclopaedic, so I'm afraid it isn't suitable for Wikipedia. Have a look at the other hall articles you listed - these ones assert why the hall is notable, and provide suitable references, without any speculation (or did when I went through them a few weeks back). If you can create a similar kind of article that is suitable of Wikipedia, do so on your user space (perhaps here: User:Mgumn/HBH), let me know, and I'll take a look at it for you. If it's ok, I will get rid of the protected redirect. How's that? Proto::type 10:04, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Hiatt Baker Hall
What's there is already far, far better than was there before. It now asserts why the hall is important, and references it - well done. I have moved it back to its original position, at Hiatt Baker Hall. Keep up the good work! :) Proto::► 18:51, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
