Talk:Mesivta Tiferes Yisroel
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User:YeshivaResearch2: (AB-N?)
Please don't make unilateral deletions. Who requested the article's removal, and why? If there's a valid reason, take it up with the administration and ask for deletion. MTY may not be exactly famous, but what's the harm in keeping the information public?
--NoCoda 22:29, 18 May 2004 (UTC)
Does anyone know who wrote the original article? I'm a graduate of the place and I'm amazed at the accuracy and depth of detail. I'll certainly have things to add.
- It looks like the original article was written by an anonymous contributor, although User:YeshivaResearch1 and User:YeshivaResearch2 contributed and may or may not be the same person. (He or she blanked the article before disappearing, which might be interpreted as a sort of claim of authorship.) Wmahan. 22:55, 2004 May 3 (UTC)
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- Fascinating. It seems that User:YeshivaResearch2's email address is no longer in service. Well, I for one am glad that it's here. My non-Jewish friends are getting a kick out of learning what I was subjected to in high school.
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- --NoCoda 23:38, 3 May 2004 (UTC)
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- My guess would be that this ludicrous article was written by a graduate of MTY who unfortunately feels bitterness and hostility to his alma mater. In my experience, this feeling is usually directly proportional to any lack of personal success which the graduate blames on his ex-yeshiva. In addition, it is definitely original research and definitely a specific POV. Perhaps I will try to fix the more egregious slanders given time. Shykee 01:47, 11 July 2006 (UTC)shykee
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Too excellent! Found my way here via the Protocols web site. As a TIUNY grad (whose Hevrusa married Rabbi Harris' daughter) I'm impressed and amazed! -- Larry Yudelson
I unblanked the page despite the request of one of the contributors, because I don't think he or she can unilaterally decide to remove an article. It could still use a lot of cleanup and rewriting from a NPOV. Wmahan. 18:34, 2004 Apr 28 (UTC)
[edit] To 67.100.109.204:
Your general statement regarding the style of study at RSA's affiliates could be integrated into the article's structure better.
[edit] In Support of Deletion
I have read the MTY article in its entirety. Based on my reading, I have drawn the following conclusions:
1)Not one fact in the article, other than the Financial Information section, has ever been drawn from published - primary or secondary - sources. Therefore, we have no idea whether the information provided is true. This fails the Verifiability test.
Its tone would seem to suggest that it was written by former or current student[s], but in light of the time which has elapsed since the initial apparence of the article on Wikipedia, the continued reliability and/or relevance of the article must be doubted - especially in light of the author[s]' own portrayal of MTY as a small school which has undergone significant transformations.
Particularly egregious is the following sentence:
"Nonetheless, it is known that some students have, in fact, initiated and maintained contact with Orthodox young women."
To who[m] is it "known"? It doesn't sound like the author thinks the school is fully aware. As the article itself states a paragraph earlier:
"To those who did not engage in these activities, it is difficult to say with what degree of rigidity these edicts were applied in practice."
2)In describing the attitude of MTY's leadership to certain activities, e.g., college, the article evinces a certain degree of negativity towards the school's supposed goals, failing the NPOV test. For examples:
"Although many students who go on to attend post-secondary institutions tend to be those who were considered "less successful" (i.e. not rabbinically inclined) during their time at MTY, others have proved to be exceptions to this rule."
The attitude conveyed - that MTY's leadersip is condescending towards those who leave rabbinical school - is inescapable.
TBC.
Econapl 02:24, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
- If you want the article deleted, you're free to nominate it, though in my opinion it would be better to rewrite the material you find biased rather than deleting the entire article. Wmahan. 02:55, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
