Talk:Merlin (The Chronicles of Amber)
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I think the cleanup tag can be removed. The page has roughly tripled in size and quality from December 2005. Dslotman
- I removed it (as I'm the one who placed it way back in the hoary depths of time). Good work! --Syrthiss 19:33, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Ghostwheel and the conclusion of Merlin's cycle
I don't have the books at hand right now, but I'm quite sure that the Pattern and the Logrus don't see Ghostwheel as an equal; they specifically talk about how annoying it would be to destroy Ghostwheel, and that doing such would leave them vulnerable (but not destroyed themselves). It's more along the lines of "I can't afford to deal with you when there's a bigger rival." Merlin is no longer a pawn, due to the powers at his command, but they don't see him as an equal by any means. Of course, if they knew that he had two Spikards, their attitudes might change. ;) Ladlergo 19:39, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
I agree 100% that the Pattern and Logrus don't see Ghostwheel as equal, but they don't see each other as equal either. They are impressively arrogant. I seem to recall an implication that Ghostwheel could match them, particularly in their delicately balanced and fragile state of flux. Perhaps my memory has faded. I do remember that Merlin tries to juice Ghostwheel with the Spikard (I believe during the Pattern-Logrus skirmish in Amber), but Ghostwheel informs him that he had found his 'own sources of power.' Can we agree at least that the Pattern and Logrus have decided to treat Merlin and Ghostwheel as equals in temporary practice if not fact? (That's why I used the word nominal as it implies a "lesser" sort of equal.) Dslotman 28:14, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
- Here's what I found in a quick flip: "It is not yet time to weaken myself in your destruction. Not when another waits for me to falter." (PoC)
- I think your change is fine, unless we decide to go into more detail (unlikely). Ladlergo 12:22, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
- After rereading that section, I agree with your conclusion--the Logrus (and probably the Pattern) both believe they could easily beat Ghostwheel at the price of weakening themselves. My memory was probably biased by how much I like Ghostwheel. Feel free to edit it in that direction; perhaps something like: "...Ghostwheel had developed enough that his support of Merlin temporarily forced the Pattern and the Logrus to treat the pair with greater respect than mere pawns." (Changes in italics) Dslotman 16:47, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
- I'll let my brain mull on it for a while. I'm not sure of the best way to phrase it. Ladlergo 15:56, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
- After rereading that section, I agree with your conclusion--the Logrus (and probably the Pattern) both believe they could easily beat Ghostwheel at the price of weakening themselves. My memory was probably biased by how much I like Ghostwheel. Feel free to edit it in that direction; perhaps something like: "...Ghostwheel had developed enough that his support of Merlin temporarily forced the Pattern and the Logrus to treat the pair with greater respect than mere pawns." (Changes in italics) Dslotman 16:47, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Ghostwheel separate or under Powers?
Should Ghostwheel be listed under Merlin's powers or should it remain separate? For that matter, should Merlin's magical artifacts be listed under his powers or go under a new heading? Ladlergo 15:30, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
I'd keep Ghostwheel separate because it is its own entity and it is interesting in and of itself. On the other hand, Merlin's Spikards and Frakir are only interesting because of their association with him. If there is more to say about them, they can be separated, but Merlin's powers are somewhat minimal when separated from his power items. Dslotman 20:33, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
