Talk:Medical College

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Contents 1 A seperate Page for Medical College 2 Redirecting to Medical school 3 Merging medical college with medical school 4 A College is different from a School

[edit] A seperate Page for Medical College

In India and in other Asian countries there is NOTHING CALLED AS A MEDICAL SCHOOL. Instead we have something called as Medical COLLEGE. Hence, it would be more appropriate that the redirect from this page is removed and a seperate article dealing with Medical Colleges is brought out in this pageDoctor Bruno 17:23, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Redirecting to Medical school

In the US the terms medical school and medical college are used interchangeably, and I suspect this may be the case elsewhere as well. This page should therefore redirect to medical school, with its current contents perhaps being moved to something like Medical school (India) or merged into Medical school. --David Iberri (talk) 22:29, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

With due respect to your opinion, Unfortuantely, your suspicions are WRONG and this is NOT the case elsewhere. Doctor Bruno 17:30, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Despite the slightly missleading redlinks, it isn't called "medical school" in all (or even most?) places in the UK, judging from the links I clicked at Medical school (United Kingdom), and in many places in the UK and elsewhere, physicians would be trained in a Faculty of Medicine, which has been the normal term for the last 900 years in most European universities (although surgery was long not considered part of Medicine and was learned outside universities). The best alternative would be to use the neutral "Medical education" for the main article and perhaps all articles except the one on medical education in the U.S. (where I have the impression that "medical school" is the normal term used). (This article is awful, BTW, and has to be completely rewritten or just go away somehow as soon as possible.) Tupsharru 03:22, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

I am aftraid that there is NO thing such as Medical School in India and so having the same article for two DIFFERENT entities is wrong

The basic education structure in India is different.

We have School that is common for all - Whether you want to be an engineer, doctor, lawyer, teacher, accountant, nurse, driver, district administrative officer, pilot or whatever you want to do, you have to attend the SAME school.

After that there are various colleges like

1. Medical College - for M.B.,B.S., - to become a doctor 2. Engineering College - FOr B.E., or B.Tech - to become an engineer 3. Law College - for B.L. - to become a lawyer and so on

Hence we need a seperate set of articles on the following lines

1. Medical College 2. Engineering College 3. Law College 4. Arts College

and so on

• In a medical School - students receive four years of the preclinical training, followed by two years of clinical training in hospitals of their own choice.

• In a medical college - students receive 5 and half years of SIMULTANEOUS PARA CLINICAL and CLINICAL traning and they do the clinical Training in the SAME hospital attached to the Medical College.

Another difference

• A person is usually not allowed to practise independently or open and establish a hospital when he finishes his medical school. He has to WORK further in a hospital under a consultant (or so)

• Where as in a Medical College, the student can, immediately after graduation, run a big hospital. he can even start his OWN hospital

So you would like to tell us about medical education in India? The term "medical school" is used worldwide. It is probably better to explain in the medical school article what a medical college is and where it differs. I don't think this similar concept needs a seperate article. JFW | T@lk 14:39, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

What prevents from having the entire discussion on the page of Medical College and explain what a medical school is

The term medical school is NOT used World wide. In India we have Medical College. I am pained to find that just because you do not know something called as Medical College, you are so adamant that it does not exist. This attitude is an injustice for Indian readersDoctor Bruno 17:30, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Merging medical college with medical school

This should be merged with medical school. Medical school already has sections for various countries. Additionally, the distinction between medical "college" and medical "school" seems overly pedantic; I don't think most users would appreciate the difference. Andrew73 16:21, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

There are a lot of differences. The problem is that You DO NOT KNOW that there is something called as Medical College and hence think that it does not existDoctor Bruno 17:31, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

While there may be a difference, this difference appears to apply in a narrowly focused way, i.e. in India. The majority of the time, the distinctions are not relevant. Besides, why not create Medical college (India)? Andrew73 18:19, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Well. According to you there is Nothing called as Medical College in US and few other countries. You have Medical Schools instead There is something called as Medical College in India and other Asian Countries. There is no Medical School. The present question is as to why this page should redirect to Medical school. Doubts 1. Why can't this page itself discuss about the Medical College. 2. If we start something like Medical College (India) (we have already started that), will it not go to conditions like Medical College (Pakistan), Medical College (Srilanka) and so on. 3. There is no medical college in America and medical education is by Medical Schools. Agreed. Does that mean that there should not be an article titled Medical College which has been existing for 2 centuries in India 4. Should there be articles only about things or concepts that are in America. Is not Wikipedia Global Doctor Bruno 19:26, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

I agree Wikipedia should be global. But the "global" interpretation favors that for generic interpretation of "medical education," "medical school" seems to be more popular than "medical college." Andrew73 20:30, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

The problem here is that both differ in a lot of points

1. Admission process

2. Eligibility for admission

3. Mode of teaching

4. Degree offered

In this extent, though medical school may be popular for medical education than medical college, it does not mean that medical school = medical college.

In fact the only similarity between both is that they offer medical education.

Let me try to explain. You can travel by both car or bus. That is both are used for travel and car is popular than bus. Will you have a seperate article for Bus or redirect the link for bus to car and say that since car is more popular than bus and also since both are used for travel, there is no need of a fork.Doctor Bruno 02:37, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Alternatively, since there already is a page for Medical school (United Kingdom), perhaps one approach would be to retitle this Medical college (India). 16:24, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

What do we have in Uk. If that is a Medical School, then it is very appropriate to have a page Medical School (United Kingdom). On the other hand, even though I fully agree with you that we can have a page titled Medical Colleg (India), what we are asking is for a seperate article titled Medical College, which discusses about the Medical Colleges and does not merely redirect to Medical School.

How can you justify redirecting bus to car, just because both are used for transport. Doctor Bruno 12:35, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

The difference is that a car and bus are universally recognized as being different...the same cannot be said about the distinction between medical school v. medical college. Alternatvely, perhaps a middle ground could be reached where in the putative medical college article, a few sentences could be given recognizing where the terms are similar and where they are different. Andrew73 04:00, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

The medical school and medical college are ALSO universally different. But they are perhaps not recognised to be different, because many people do not even know that there exists something termed as medical college which is infact different from medical school. As you have rightly told, many people do not recognise it being different and the Wikipedia should tell the exact scenario. Shall I ask a question. Please don't get angry. What do you know about Medical College. How are you telling that "cannot be said about the distinction between medical school v. medical college" Please don't get angry. I am trying to tell you my point Doctor Bruno 12:14, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

The difference between a car and a bus is much more than the difference between a medical school and medical college. I think if you took a straw poll, the majority of people would view a medical school and medical college as being equivalent, aside from some exceptions as you point out in India, etc. Andrew73 14:44, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Many people will view as being equivalent. I agree with that and that is exactly why I want a seperate article because, even though many people would view a medical school and medical college as being equivalent, THEY ARE NOT THE SAME. People, unless properly told, would be STILL HAVING THE MISCONCEPTION. That is exactly the reason why we need a seperate article. By the way, how can you pass a judgement regarding medical college, when you do not know anything. WE should tell the people.

Well, the reason why many people will view them as equivalent is because they are in the majority of circumstances! I don't see this as a "misconception" per se, since the difference only applies in very specific circumstances (i.e. India). I'm not adamantly opposed to a separate medical college article. Andrew73 17:39, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

I differ. They are NOT equal. Many people DO NOT know a medical college. They assume that it should be the same becuase both offer medical education. Doctor Bruno 17:59, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

What do you thing should be the primary aim of Wikipedia

1. To Correct a misconception and tell the truth

2. To Tell the same misconception because many people do not know the truth Doctor Bruno 17:19, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

An encyclopedia, should tell the truth and the fact, and not what many people would view. if two things are different, they should be dealt differently and not as same just because they are not recognized as being differentDoctor Bruno 17:30, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] A College is different from a School

I am afraid that there is a LOT of difference between a School and College, at least in India. Hence we are having a page on Medical College that redirects to Medical School and another seperate page on Medical College (India)

Still I strongly argue that Medical College is a seperate entity and you are doing no justice by redirecting it to Medical School, just because you are not aware of medical college