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[edit] You forgot to sign
Hi! Just a friendly note: You forgot to sign your vote on Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Year 10,000 problem. You can sign your posts by entering four tildes (~~~~). — David Remahl 19:01, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)
- Yeah, I forgot to sign one, and within minutes, I get hammered ;)
- ;-). Happens to the best of us. — David Remahl 19:06, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)
[edit] teh teh
You're welcome. Thanks for the kind words. Taco Deposit | Talk-o Deposit 12:43, Nov 12, 2004 (UTC)
[edit] Mars Desert Research Station front entry and greenhab.jpg
Hello. I moved this back to being the talk page for the image. Nice pic, BTW. I'm not sure exactly what you were wanting to do, but if you were trying to rename the image, I've got some bad news -- see renaming images. If that isn't what you wanted, you can probably find your answer in either HOWTOs Index or Modifying a Wikipedia page. SWAdair | Talk 01:52, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)
[edit] Relational database
Both the citations you gave are good examples of bad articles. They are both bad in a manner typical of technical articles: overly theoretical regurgitation of dull classroom lectures. No good purpose is served by their presence, but it is a daunting task to rewrite such a mass of verbiage -- so daunting that few attempt the Stygian task.
I intend to insert in Relational database a lucid description of the beast -- not the theoretical model, not a plug for FileMaker, but the thing itself, filmed as it were in the act. Is there a cabal of WPdians waiting to jump on me for this? — Xiong (talk) 02:28, 2005 Mar 25 (UTC)
I'm sorry if you feel my initial remarks were confrontational. My comments were directed more toward the discussion, not to the stub. I just took a look at the page history; it's a sight. For some abominable reason, this has been the focus of a long-running edit war; I gather considerable content has been written and removed. I guess there is a cabal.
Actually, the article itself, Relational database, isn't so bad. It's just way too short, a stub; almost a disambig where there should be a glorious article. The articles to which content seems to have been moved are just terrible. They don't need "work", but a complete overhaul. I do not intend to do that overhaul, either. But I do intend to put together a lucid article on the subject which, I imagine, interests most readers: relational databases themselves, not the theory which discusses them.
I hope you may be willing to lend a hand. — Xiong (talk) 07:10, 2005 Mar 25 (UTC)
You and I are in perfect agreement, I think. I don't know where I'd be if I didn't have the power of a good RDBM tool -- FileMaker Pro. I came to the article, Relational database, by way of a desire to set WP firmly on the relational road -- I do not consider it to be there now.
Can't discuss RDB without laying the groundwork, so I've attacked the much simpler Flat file database first. Please let me know what you think. — Xiong (talk) (post facto)
Well... let me preface my reply by saying I've been somewhat abused by One-Thinger WPdians lately. Forgive me if I'm a little acrid or mistrustful. I don't know how well you know FileMaker Pro. It is greatly improved from the FileMaker of the Bad Old Days. I grant that it is unsuited for scaling up to a massive database, with hundreds of thousands of records and tens of thousands of queries per hour. It's a tool best used by anything from a single user up to a small company -- say, 1000 users, not all of whom access the DB at one time. But these are engine limitations, a statement of horsepower. And despite what I've said, I see FileMaker, Inc. is pushing their products into ever-larger companies.
I don't have the money, inclination, or need to upgrade to the latest version (7); let me note some of the features of mine (5.5):
- Fully customizable layouts -- Setting up a layout is as easy as drawing with a pen tool. Layouts -- forms, reports -- are almost too plastic. Fonts, colors, styles, borders are editable as a matter of course. Field formats -- besides a straight box full of text -- include menus, radio buttons, and check boxes, all of which use a value list that may either be static or dynamic. I especially like dynamic value lists. Field formats are tied to the layout in which they appear, as distinct from field types -- text, number, date, etc.
- Relationships -- Fields from a related file can be used in a layout just as if they were local to the master file, or inserted into a portal to display one-to-many relationships. So long as match fields ("keys", in SQL jargon) are properly defined, you can create and delete matching records in the related file from within the master file (if permitted).
- Lookups -- Data from a related file is copied to the master file one time only. E.g., a file containing invoices looks up prices for products. The actual prices may change later, but the prices shown in the invoice do not change.
- Self-joins (self-relationships) are possible. I've done some weird things with self-joins. I admit, sometimes I've broken it with this kind of stuff. But I've created solutions in which data typed into one record forces the creation of a related record in the same file.
- Any field (except media containers) can be calculated. Defining a field as a calculation opens a window and you type away. Fields from the master file and all related files are available as atoms from a menu, as are all functions. The functions themselves are so comprehensive that you can emulate nearly any spreadsheet. Of course, you can do much more.
- Of particular note are the many calculation functions that return some aspect of system status.
Status (CurrentPortalRow)
, for example, tells you where the user is. Or, you can fiddle with other DB files, as inFieldStyle (dbname, layoutname, fieldname)
. This returns a status word, depending on whether the target field is a straight text field, or perhaps a menu, or list of radio buttons.
- Fully scriptable -- Almost anything you can do at all, you can script. You can add or delete records, switch layouts, find, sort, print, etc.; you can define any object (including a displayed field!) as a button that invokes a script. I've done some weird things by defining a field within a portal as a button; FileMaker understands which related record the user has "pushed".
- The script engine has been upgraded to allow for all the usual flow control functions. I've written several solutions that makes very heavy use of scripts; for a notable example, a slot machine that operates entirely within one record, resorting to a very complicated set of scripts whenever the "handle" is pulled. (The slot machine is also relational; there are, oh, IIRC, 2 related files, one with the reel icons, one with payoffs.) It's even possible to script SQL queries, to access foreign systems.
- Security -- I admit, security is not as robust as it might be. You can protect whole files or control access to certain layouts and certain fields. You can roll up a finished solution into a sort of kiosk mode and you have a lot of control over what the user can do; you can lock almost the entire UI out and replace whatever functions you like using scripts and buttons.
- Getting out of the box -- I'm not as interested in this as others may be, but FileMaker is "...Level 1 ODBC compliant, with limited Level 2 support." More interesting to me is the ability to publish solutions -- databases, with their layouts and their scripts -- on the web. This ability is unfortunately limited in my version; I gather that the more $expensive developer versions do much much more. Search for "filemaker hosting" -- I can host a simple solution right from my desktop, or pay somebody else to host it for me; it's a niche market. Pricey, too: FileMaker, Inc. is always sure to get a piece, by controlling the number of files that can be open at one time.
I intend to use FileMaker Pro to demonstrate RDB, not just because I like it, but because it's what I've got, and because its layouts and dialog boxes are so visual and easy to understand that they make good examples for someone not steeped in the subject. And, after all, if you already know all about RDBMS, you won't care to read a simple introduction to the subject.
FileMaker, Inc. is giving away a free 30-day trial. You might want to check it out, but I suggest you plan the 30 days for when you can afford the time to exercise the demo. Let me know if you plan to do this, and I will send you some old solutions and demos you can play around with. (It doesn't matter what box you're on; FM is almost totally transparently cross-platform). Who knows, you might decided to beg, borrow, steal, or even $buy it for yourself. — Xiong (talk) 15:00, 2005 Mar 28 (UTC)
[edit] James Earl Salisbury
Thanks! I just wanted to see what you thought and such. I gave some counter-feedback (or something like that). I'm glad you responded. =) — Indi [ talk ] 11:52, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Relational database 2
Hi, thanks for your interest in editing this article.
What we need is an article that bridges the gap between the mathematical terminology used in a strict definition of the relational model and the popular terminology used by people who work with relational databases. For instance, an explanation of the relationship between "relations" and "tables". At a minimum I feel this article should explain the terms covered in my attempted rewrite at Talk:Relational database/rewrite. When I suggested this rewrite many complained that it was not true to the relational model; since I am not an expert in the relational model I could not fix this problem and abandoned the rewrite.
If you have any other questions or concerns you can put them here; I have watchlisted you. --Ideogram 08:18, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
- K, I'll put my response here, note, I copied your notice, and totally messed with it. Comments round one. Yeah, it's not perfectly in line with the realtional model:
- "This would result in a duplicate row, which is usually not allowed" In the mathematical definition (and in "truly relational databases"), it isn't allowed, but some (SQL i.e. non-relational) DBMSs allow it. This has strong correlation to primary keys "Most tables are created with primary keys." in SQL systems. In relational systems, all tables have at least one candidate key.
- "We are using the primary key of the organization table as a foreign key in the person table." "Primary keys" aren't technically part of the relational model. Keys are all some kind of constraint. Foreign Keys have to reference a Candidate key, and the primary key (if the DBMS supports it) is a good idea.
- I understand what you're trying to do with the relational integrity section, but could it be phrased in such a way that doesn't show a violation of a key, like saying "suppose we tried to delete row x".
- Normalization either needs to be pulled, or more detail should be included. It's a big leap from saying "data duplication" to "3NF"
- Joins, do we have to use SQL? I propose a relational Algebra. Maybe a translation in to SQL might be necessary (also, you're using MySQL variety, a SQL flavor that conforms to the SQL specifications would be better)
- Indexes are not really a part of the relational model (you admit this), so again, I'll say either more or less data. (oh, and saying "directly" is a bit of an oversimplification).
- No, Views *are* stored in the database, (unless the DBMS violates rule four of Codd's 12 rules)
- SQL is not part of the relational model, and so, doesn't really deserve a section like you mention it, and it is not a standard part of all relational databases.
- Having said all of that, I think I still prefer the overall feel of the current relational database article. It might just be me liking the technical side of things, but I think the techinical stuff is the important part of the article. Simple English Wikipedia maybe? McKay 08:52, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
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- We don't have to start with my proposed rewrite as a base. I simply wanted to reference it as a list of terms that an article about Relational Databases should cover. If you prefer to use the current article as a starting point that is fine. What I'm trying to say (which other people didn't seem to understand) is that we need an article that talks about both the theory of the relational model and its implementation in modern relational databases, so that someone wondering "Why are Oracle, MySQL, and PostgreSQL all called relational databases?" can get an answer that isn't too mathematical. --Ideogram 08:58, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
- Ahh, you misunderstand the term. Oracle, MySQL, and PostgreSQL, are not relational databases. Some people call them Relational Database Management Systems, but relational databases they are not. The changes I made to the Relational database article today reference some of those differences (ordered rows and columns, three-valued logic...). But specific reasons as to why Oracle isn't "truly relational" belongs in RDBMS or Oracle. McKay 09:05, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
- We don't have to start with my proposed rewrite as a base. I simply wanted to reference it as a list of terms that an article about Relational Databases should cover. If you prefer to use the current article as a starting point that is fine. What I'm trying to say (which other people didn't seem to understand) is that we need an article that talks about both the theory of the relational model and its implementation in modern relational databases, so that someone wondering "Why are Oracle, MySQL, and PostgreSQL all called relational databases?" can get an answer that isn't too mathematical. --Ideogram 08:58, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
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- I am quite familiar with the argument that relational databases are only those databases that conform to the relational model. I simply do not agree. Only theoreticians claim that my examples are not relational databases; the term is well-entrenched in popular usage.
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- Fundamentally this is a disagreement over terminology. However, the fact that Codd invented the relational model does not mean he owns the term. If you look at Talk:Relational database you will see my mention of a Google define: search that shows abundant evidence that the common usage of the term is not limited to databases that conform to the relational model.
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- As an encyclopedia it is not Wikipedia's job to prescribe correct usage of terms. We should be following the common usage and writing about what people expect to find when they are looking for an explanation of the term "relational database". --Ideogram 09:18, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
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- In summary, when someone asks "Why are Oracle, MySQL, and PostgreSQL all called relational databases?" (and in fact they are called such), the answer "They aren't really relational databases" is not helpful. --Ideogram 09:20, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
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- You misunderstand me. Yes, I'm the kind of guy who doesn't think that Oracle (or any other DBMS that employs SQL as its primary DDL and DML) should be called relational. But, I understand that that is my point of view. It is a matter of fact that the world calles Oracle a Relational Database Management System. Therefore, the Wikipedia entry on Oracle should refer to it as a Relational Database Management System. And likewise, the Relational Database Management System article should reference Oracle as one of the most popular. So, yes, we disagree over termonology, but I don't think we disagree as to what the wikipedia article should say regarding this terminology. Namely that both camps are a valid way of looking at it. Codd created the term, Codd doesn't own the term, but Chris Date's Definition and Larry Ellison's definition should both be mentioned.
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- What I actually said was "Relational Database" does not equal "Relational Database Management System". The article in question is "Relational Database". What I actually said was that Oracle is a Relational Database Management System, but Oracle is *not* a Relational Database. Relational Databases can be created in Oracle though. McKay 09:31, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
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- For reference I duplicate from Talk:Relational database#starting on a rewrite the results of my Google search on "relational database" here.
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- All of these articles do not make a clear distinction between "Relational Database" and "RDBMS". I feel that all of these articles do a better job of answering the questions a typical novice will have about the term than the current Wikipedia article. Again, I invite you to do a Google search of define:relational database and see how many entries reference the relational model. I seem to recall there is only one other instance besides Wikipedia.
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- By my evidence you are still insisting on a definition of Relational Database that is at variance with its popular usage. --Ideogram 09:44, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
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- No, you're still missing what I'm saying.
- "Oracle ... is a ... relational database management system" [1]
- Oracle is *not* a Relational Database
- Oracle can be used to make Relational Databases [2]
- McKay 09:51, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
- No, you're still missing what I'm saying.
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- I don't think I'm missing what you are saying. If you read the articles I linked to you will see that they do not draw the distinction you are making. --Ideogram 09:53, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
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- Okay, I think we're almost on the same page now. A Relational Database Management System enables you to build Relational Databases. But Relational Databases still store data. Example: At the last company I worked for, we had Microsoft SQL Server (an RDBMS). Using it, I created a Relational database that I called "ULS". This database stored data in it. Now, for how those links verify this:
- EDM/2 "A relational database stores all its data inside tables, and nothing more." If I also stored data in files in the file system. My collection of data could not be called a "relational database", because it stores data outside of tables.
- Whatis.com: "A relational database is a collection of data items organized as a set of formally-described tables" The ULS database has collected the data, and has organized the data into relational structures called tables, or relations.
- McKay 10:07, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
- Consequently, google:"define:relational database management system" invariably describes software, or applications, it also references the term "database management system" and applies the "relational" adjective, and in some cases, lists commercial software applications. A relational database is a logical structure.
- Okay, I think we're almost on the same page now. A Relational Database Management System enables you to build Relational Databases. But Relational Databases still store data. Example: At the last company I worked for, we had Microsoft SQL Server (an RDBMS). Using it, I created a Relational database that I called "ULS". This database stored data in it. Now, for how those links verify this:
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- If I understand you correctly you want to call the Oracle software that creates the database an RDBMS and the actual collection of data the relational database. This distinction is not important to me. What I hoped to achieve by listing the links is to give examples of what I think any article on the term "relational database" should cover. Do you agree with that? --Ideogram 10:14, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
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- Yes, an RDBMS is an applicattion, software, code. A relational Database is a collection of Data, structures and data stored in memory. An RDBMS can monitor several Relational Databases. While this distinction may not be important to you, it is a valid and important distinction. This distinction is probably at least one thing that needs to go the relational database page. Some of the things mentioned in the articles you linked could be mentioned. Those articles are good references for the source material contained in the page. McKay 10:20, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
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(outdenting) The Wikipedia article as it stands is woefully inadequate. It only explains relations, and a one sentence description of normalization. Do you agree that the topics listed in my example rewrite need mentioning? --Ideogram 10:27, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
- Hmm. Relational Database has a template at the bottom mentioning the following subjects under "objects":
- Trigger | View | Table | Cursor | Log | Transaction | Index | Stored procedure | Partition
- If I were to do a brief outline, I'd do something like this
- Definitions
- Simple
- Formal / Mathematical
- Prerequisites (Horrible section header name)
- Briefly cover Database
- Briefly cover Relational Model
- Objects
- Table
- View (Relvars in general?)
- Constraints
- Superkeys / Primary Keys / Candidate Keys
- Foreign Keys
- Other constraints
- Table and column constraints
- Transition Constraints
- Stored Procedures (and other "code", like triggers)
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- Normalization?
- Definitions
- DDL and DML should be covered in RDBMS, and that should cover all of the topics you had in your rewrite, and in the original article.
- Transactions, Logs, Cursors, (indexes?, ) and partitions should all be covered in DBMS or RDBMS.
- What do you think?McKay 10:41, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
- K, In any case, I'm going to bed. I'll get any further messages in the morning.
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- I think if you could write an article following this outline that would be great. Good night. --Ideogram 10:45, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
- Okay, I spent the morning writing this up. it is available at User:Mckaysalisbury/Relational database for your perusal. Comments and suggestions are welcome. Obviously, it could use the "see also"s and "external link"s available on the current version of the page. It could probably use some references, but I didn't really look anything up. All this was basically from the top of my head. So someone should probably go thorugh and find valid references for the thigns that I said?McKay 20:32, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
- I think if you could write an article following this outline that would be great. Good night. --Ideogram 10:45, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Provo, Utah
Well, I'm still puzzled by something. What 2000 data are you referring to on that page? The data from List of cities in Utah (by population) was (and I guess still is) based on 2005 estimates from the Utah Population Estimates Committee. What 2000 info are you talking about? Also, the 1RR isn't a rule, and I felt like I could explain myself well enough on the edit summary, so I felt no need to bring up the discussion on the talk page. Also, I'm wondering what exactly you meant by your last sentence? It doesn't really make sense to me. Generally, your entire post doesn't make sense...I need clarification of what you're trying to say. bob rulz 08:02, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
- Okay, I think I know what you're saying. However, the estimates from the U.S. Census Bureau actually aren't more recent; the UPEC estimates are for October 2005, while the Census Bureau estimates are for July 2005. It's just that the UPEC estimates are released earlier, because they only have to do Utah estimates while the Census Bureau does estimates for the whole country. However, while the accuracy of either of them is debatable (the Census Bureau doesn't have the greatest track record for accuracy), the Census Bureau is official, and using Census Bureau estimates maintains consistency throughout the entire country. I think we should use Census Bureau estimates for the sake of them being official. I was updating the information last night when I completely screwed everything up and didn't have the patience to fix it...so I just gave up. I might update it today. bob rulz 23:40, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] University of Michigan
If you check out E.F.Codds entry here you will see that he got his doctorate from Michigan in the late 60's. His work with the database group there led to the development of Micro, a relational database management system. Micro was used by acadmics at Michigan, Alberta and Wayne State Universitys to manage microdata.
As that this system lived and died before the internet existed, no documentation regarding it will be easily found on the net. There are of course dank and spider infested physical archives. What from these physical archives do you need?
Robert Bressan 14:00, 8/2/2006
I've found a link int the ACM journal documenting a system in production existing 1972. [3] Association for Computing Machinery SIGIR Forum archive Volume 7 , Issue 4
Do you have other problems with incorperating this change or shall I go ahead?
Bressan 17:19, 27 October 2006 (UTC) Robert Bressan
[edit] Leet
You're going to need a better reason then "This page sucks" to add all of those templates to Leet. In fact, doing so again without said reason, it will probably belooked at as vandalism. tmopkisn tlka 06:24, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
- I made a post to the talk page. Finished about 10 minutes after I made the changes to the leet page. Give me some time! WP:AGF McKay 06:28, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] StarCraft Ghost "revert"
Hello. You have sent me a message about a revert about the StarCraft: Ghost article. I didn't revert anything, although I did add the category "vaporware" to the end of the article, since, the game fits the parameters of vaporware. If games that had actual demonstrations but have had a long and protracted development cycle, like the video game S.T.A.L.K.E.R.: Shadow of Chernobyl have vaporware tags on them, why not apply these tags to StarCraft Ghost? StarCraft Ghost has been announced for a while, and it has yet to materialize as a real product. - XX55XX 19:39, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Periodicity
Sorry to bother. If you have questions regarding authenticity, please use the internet archive. The information is freely available and has been for a long time. The subject is current and you are right there is a better way to explain this. Wish I had the time. Will start working on it though, could you please add whatever to the information, but don't delete as it is timely and relevant. Thank you. This was added by anon user User talk:71.215.54.11
- Sorry for messing up your page, I really don't know how to let you know things.
- google 1ceres
- yahoo 1ceres
- There is a definitive publication regarding
- 1ceres as a planet and the periodicity
- It may not be in as organized a manner that is preferrable
- but, it beats Science.com HANDS DOWN regarding the subject.
- You aren't looking.
- Try the archive, and 1ceres is the most popular web site for 1ceres.
- And, until redefinition becomes accepted 1ceres is the name of the object.
- I am again sorry to display it this way. But, it has been open for debate for a long time.
- thank you. This was added by anon user User talk:71.215.54.11
[edit] Scrum (rugby)
I've had a go at making the introduction more user friendly. Sometimes it takes somebody from outside to point out what all the 'experts' miss.
What I think may have confused you is the term 'set scrum', this term is archaic and is not any use to the article - I have deleted it.
What is more confusing but cannot be avoided is that there are two different sports called 'rugby'. They differ from each other much more than US and Canadian football do. Both have scrums but the scrums are quite different, but there is only one type of scrum in each sport.GordyB 22:42, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Black hole (disambiguation) and Micro black hole
RVs are only ment for own editorial work, so who is doing the vandalism? And please check your references about micro black holes because the new adapted name is "black hole analogies".(Scientific American, December 2005, An echo of Black Holes), [4] --Quasarq 21:16, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
I see some investigation is done by a computer freak. Nevertheless you are right at some point. Hawking named: mini black holes. "Black hole analogy" is a newer term for a quantum phenomena which is a smaller definition. But my reference is right, a "Black hole analogy" IS a mini black hole (not reverse). I change it again because most probably you don't have the scientific literature. I know my points are controversial but very often I'm right in the end because I base most of my work on WP:VERIFY and WP:REF. And please can you change my work back because evidently you just based your conclusions on opposite opinions. High regards. --Quasarq 22:06, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
o YES, you refer WP:MOS. As I'm not an English native, you better help in this regard instead of RVs, because we share the interests of black holes apparently --Quasarq 22:57, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] 87.211.151.42
See also: User talk:87.211.151.42. You will probably need to look at the page's history, as he likes to delete messages sent to him.
I deleted your "id". See Help:Talk page --87.211.151.42 16:50, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
It states clearly:Help:Talk page Etiquette Most users treat their user talk pages like regular talk pages, and archive the contents periodically to a personal subpage — either when the page gets too large, on a regular schedule, or when they take a wikivacation. Others delete comments after they have responded to them. (I boldened) I realize other pages say otherwise but I stick in this context to this.
The policy WP:FAITH Assume good faith is apparently strange to you, as I was just trying to write something and was accused of vandalism. As long as you do not apologize I assume you continue to invade the space at the IP address and continue to harass that page. There is no policy that states I have to create an account. So the IDs you label are at your own account. --87.211.151.42 18:44, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Minor planet numbers
The Minor Planet Center (MPC) (and yes, wikipedia *does* have a link to it) is the official minor planet naming and numbering service - and they operate under the auspices of the International Astronomical Union - the science's "governing body". The MPC release electronic circulars (and MPEC refers to Minor Planet Electronic Circular) about various topics - including minor planet/comet discoveries, minor planet/comet naming, and also regularly updated orbital elements and coordinates. Searching google for "Minor Planet Center" received 233,000 links. The IAU's website says that "When the orbit of a Minor Planet becomes well enough determined that the position can be reliably predicted far into the future (typically this means after the Minor Planet has been observed at four or more oppositions), the Minor Planet receives a permanent designation - number issued sequentially by the Minor Planet Center, for example (433), (4179) or (50000)."
So it's clear that the IAU believes that the MPC is the official numbering service for minor planets.
The MPC IS notable - it holds the definitive source catalogue for all minor planets. Richard B 12:07, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Fibonacci number
Yes. I know the 3Revert rule. Can you pls tell what you mean by "Malcontent". How can one single word supported by a reference can be called as "Malcontent". I am also curious to know your feelings about this.Bharatveer 05:16, 11 September 2006 (UTC)Bharatveer 05:19, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
Mckay, Pls see the talk page of Fibonacci number.-Bharatveer 14:19, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] AVL_tree
Could you pop over to the AVL tree discussion page and respond to my comments, please. Toby Douglass 11:16, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] QM
Thanks. I usually do just make changes myself, but my limitations are mainly in communication, so it is often better to make suggestions. I did change the first paragraph in the QM article to include E&M early when I was here, and my changes remained for quite a while. Now it may be worse than before I worked on it. I was just saying to my wife "At least maybe some of the other authors are learning from me." David R. Ingham 06:40, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
In a case like this where my changes have been reverted (after a long time), it is better to make discussion first. I no-one answers I feel confident in making changes. David R. Ingham 06:47, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Provo
Those were filters I added. I originally had it set to change LDS Church to the full name, but I figured some people wanted to keep it shortened, so I simply set it to avoid redirects.
Although the LDS Manual of Style doesn't mention this, I like to use the full name of the church for the first instance on each article, with shortened versions thereafter, and I try to avoid redirects in general. Also note that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints requests that the term LDS Church not be used.
As to the easter egg effect, that doesn't apply here since LDS Church already redirected to the same page. The page on piped links is here: Wikipedia:Piped link, although it doesn't appear to be a policy per se, and I'm pretty sure I have not violated it. Although now that I look it over I have seen it violated several times in other articles. --Lethargy 01:18, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
- Update: I did find Wikipedia's policy for redirects which states that redirects don't necessarily need to be avoided, so I'll need to start complying with that. In this particular case, it is probably best to just unlink LDS Church since there is already a link for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints with a note that LDS Church is an alternate. Anyway, I'll try not to step on your toes again. :) --Lethargy 02:14, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] E.F. Codd
Thanks for your comments about my edit of the article. I have added a reference to the source. Janm67 16:41, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Category:IAU planet debate
I found an explanation for your creation of Category:IAU planet debate after I nominated the category for deletion. I agree that it was useful in the short term, but I really think it should be deleted and the articles should be shifted into other categories. Do you have any ideas on what needs to be placed within new categories, if anything? Category:Dwarf planets seems like an appropriate place to collect many of the articles that are central to this discussion (the objects in question, the lists, and the debate page itself). Is any additional categorization needed for the peripheral articles (most of which appear in some other appropriate category, such as Category:Trans-Neptunian objects)? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dr. Submillimeter (talk • contribs) 21:11, 6 December 2006 (UTC).
[edit] Battle.net
I noticed your recent edits to Battle.net. I understand the edits you made may be more correct in American English, they are not necesarily more correct in British English, and WP has a policy of leaving things that are correct in one locale. Personally, I don't care, and I'm only telling you because the Brit's can get pretty angry for changing these kinds of things. Good luck and have fun in WP! McKay 15:18, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks for notifying me about my Battle.net edits.
- System.out.println("Wow, you know a great number of programming languages!");
- System.out.println("I only know java.");
- s d 3 1 4 1 5 final exams! 23:26, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
Cool, glad I can help. Oh, your user page looks broken in IE, do you care if I tweak your user page to fix it? Merry Christmas (with a little Java present for you). McKay 05:15, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
- It would be nice if you could tell me about the changes you would make to my page beforehand. My page, in any case, is best viewed in Mozilla Firefox. That bit of Java was great! However, I don't know if this is a problem for you, 'Out' should be 'out' since Java is case-sensitive. Happy editing and happy programming! s d 3 1 4 1 5 final exams! 12:27, 12 December 2006 (UTC)