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[edit] Welcome

Hello, Mcginnly, and welcome to Wikipedia. Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. If you are stuck, and looking for help, please come to the Newcomers help page, where experienced Wikipedians can answer any queries you have! Or, you can just type {{helpme}} on your user page, and someone will show up shortly to answer your questions. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

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[edit] Permcat names

It's normal for category names to be plural, for the reason you mention, it's just a matter for stub-cats whether they're "double plurals". Or in the case of "buildings and structures stubs", I suppose triple. You're very welcome for whatever points I made about adminship... not that I recall what they were. :) Alai 15:02, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re Islamic architecture

Hi Mcginnly. Sure, no problem at all. Just be bold and do it. By the way, you are doing a very good job at the article. Here are some refs re to Quba Mosque as the first mosque in Islam:

• Muhammad: The Messenger of Islam by Hajjah Amina Adil (p.286)
• The Naqshbandi Sufi Tradition Guidebook of Daily Practices and Devotions by Shaykh Muhammad Hisham Kabbani (p.301)
• Happold: The Confidence to Build by Derek Walker and Bill Addis (p.81) -- Szvest 15:55, 12 October 2006 (UTC) ^{Wiki me up ®}

[edit] Portal:Architecture

Hello, are you interested in rotating the Portal every third week?

Very nice pictures of Barcelona. May I nominate some for featured picture at Commons? Thanks --Dogears 16:52, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

You're right that it always needs updating in many ways. Don't forget also DYK and in the news (in the news we sadly seem to neglect the most). It would be nice to even rotate the SI and SAs on a shorter than 1 week basis sometime, I don't know if were ready for that yet even though we have something of a backlog developing in the nominations. What do you think of this, Hallidie Building? I found a picture for it finally, and need to substantiate the claim about the first curtain wall. I forget where I read that, but know I did somewhere. Once I remember and add a little more, it might be my first DYK. Best, DVD+ R/W 18:36, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

• Proposal accepted - re: "…so my proposal is:- perhaps you guys would consider lending a hand keeping those bits up to date and I'll rotate on the 3rd week. How does that sound?…" See also new toolbar, below. Feel free to edit if its useful. —dogears (talk • contribs) 17:46, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

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• Thanks! You can rotate the portal tonight, if you'd like to, or I'll get to it tomorrow, since I delayed two weeks now. —Dogears 01:46, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] mosque to house

I think that will be more accurate. it's a pilgrimage site therefore a shrine... the use of mosque in the ref is used not in accurate fashion. Amoruso 17:12, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Pilgrimage site and worship site. It is more accurately a worshiping site and muslims come from all over the world to visit it as it is one of the 3 holiest sites. Maybe having it Mosque for worship is enough and fair along with the word shrine. Almaqdisi 17:16, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

house of pilgrimage. if not, it's best to leave it. almaqdisi, stop stalking. Amoruso 17:19, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

I do not undersand. Mginnly is saying that there are many sources which mention it is a Mosque. This is true. Now you are discussing it is for piligrimage or worship. Pointless. Keep the word a Mosque only if pilgrimage will be an issue of debate too! No need to mention piligrimage or worship, just a mosque. And accroding to the definition of a Mosque, it is a place of worship. In Mecca the piligrims go to worship in a Mosque called masjid al-Haram. But again, if this is an issue of debate, forget it and just keep the word Mosque along with the word shrine. Simple... Almaqdisi 17:22, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

it's by definition not a mosque. some refer to it as mosque because of pilgrimage. No, the article will never say in the lead that it's a "mosque" because it isn't. Live with it. Amoruso 17:27, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Alternate version will be to leave "shrine" and in the end of the lead say something like "Some refer to the Dome as a Rock as a mosque even though it isn't". That can be acceptable too. Amoruso 17:29, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Amuros, please let us not repeat the stuff we did in several talk pages...! Any one can go to Google and find "Dome of the Rock Mosque" or "Mosque of Umar" to see that this is indeed a Mosque.! I will stop discussing this any further. Almaqdisi 17:29, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Please do stop this nonsense and violations. Amoruso 17:30, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Gary Kirk's RfA

[edit] Islamic architecture

Hi Mcginnly!! Yes, about the Regional architecture template, I personally think it is quite irrelevant to be honest with you. There is no point of putting it in a Regional architeture articles, it gives an article "the lack of informative language, that gives the article a loss of appereance and describition". It should be either re-constructed or deleted. Nonetheless, I have observed the article's progress during the last week and it is being re-constructed very well. However, the small paragraphs (i.e. the Fatamid architecture) don't have a main article like the other ones. I have searched for them but I couldn't find any artciles by that name. I was going to ask you about other issues regarding this article but I hopelessly forgot them so I will post a message later on when I remember them!!!!!

Abdullah Geelah 19:29, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Hi Mcginnly!!, I have been warching the Stirling Prize award on TV and when I went on the PC I found out that someone put the Taj Mahal picture on the first paragraph on the Islamic architecture page. Was it you?? because it looks irrelevant on the first paragraph.

I think you should remove it from this article but different languages help us to understand and the point is that Persian, Arabic and Turkish are the major languages in the Islamic world. However, can you keep Arabic as it is the main language of Islam???

Abdullah Geelah 21:34, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] RfA thanks

Thank you very much for your support in my RfA, which passed on October 17, 2006 with a tally of 53/6/0. I am equally elated and humbled by my new capacity as administrator of Wikipedia, and I send my heartfelt thanks for your unflinching support. If you need me for anything, just ask me! With gratitude, 210physicq (c) 04:03, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Please Vote

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/AutoCAD Layers Please vote and voice whatever opinion you have. Thank You.--Endgame1 21:30, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] What do you think about

While Islamic architecture is on the improvement drive, what do you think about Berber architecture? It is now a redlink, but might it make a useful addition? DVD+ R/W 20:49, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes sounds good - At first I wasn't sure if it wasn't just a subset of Moorish architecture - the stub of which I created this week, but this site seems to disagree with that. some more sources here, here and some great images at the commons. --Mcginnly | Natter 08:39, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Graz Art Museum, Kunsthaus Graz, or Grazer Kunsthaus

Which do you think should be the title of an article about this in English? Could you take a look at User:DVD R W/Grazer Kunsthaus and de:Grazer Kunsthaus, and double check my translation? (/me knows that you can translate German well) Also feel free to add anything, when I release it into the wild it will be moved rather than C&P'd so it will keep the history of revisions. Also, do you think we should have a Portal:Architecture/New article announcements like Portal:Russia/New article announcements? See ya, DVD+ R/W 00:29, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Two more

I'm starting two more from de: User:DVD R W/Killesbergturm, and User:DVD R W/Praemium Imperiale if you want to help again :-) see de:Killesbergturm and de:Praemium_Imperiale. I am also thinking about this one de:Multihalle Do you think we should have a box on the portal listing new articles or announce them like in the example above? Also take another look at de:Portal:Architektur und Bauwesen, they've totaly re-done it. DVD+ R/W 02:13, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Two more

Look, a new de: architecture EA de:Historisches Rathaus Münster, I haven't moved it to my userspace because it is too long and I'm going to finish Killesbergturm first (I just about finished User:DVD R W/Автопортрет from ru: today). I brought over User:DVD R W/Baustelle, Baustelle means building site right? Do you think it is worth having it's own article? Now it redirects to construction, where I don't think it is mentioned. I don't know, I might just zap it. I'm excited because I found GFDL pics of Casa Malaparte too. See ya, DVD+ R/W 06:19, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Happy Eid

Happy Eid!! to you as well, yes i was away for a couple of weeks because of Eid and Ramadan. About the picture, I think you should put the Taj Mahal picture at the lead but can you find another appropriate picture to go on the Mughal architecture section. Abdullah Geelah 19:50, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you

Well I seem to finally have time to visit the Wikipedia again, and I offer you a belated thank you for your input in my RfA. In a few months after I graduate I think I'll be able to come back and try again later. I'll be sure to be involved in MfD, AfD. Any tips or suggestions for me based on what you remember?X [Mac Davis] (SUPERDESK|Help me improve) 06:40, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Urban studies project

The goal is to list the projects under each of the headings appropriate to the project, on the hope that people who are interested in a particular heading are most likely to look there. Which "heading" would you like to see the Urban studies project prime listing be under? That is the one which will not have the "please look here" line, but will actaully list any departments, portals, etc. Please let me know and I can make the appropriate changes. Alternately, you could do so yourself, but, given the complexity of the directory, you might prefer it if I did so. Having created the bloody thing, I know quite well how easy it is to screw it up. You really don't want to know how many times I have done so already. :) B2T2 16:40, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re vandlism

Hi Mcginnly! I am sure it would've been you if it wasn't me! It's a wonderful article and it would be a pity to not control the sneaky vandalism. Happy editing! -- 18:19, 26 October 2006 (UTC) ^{Wiki me up ®}

[edit] Pierre Rossier

Hi, thanks for the support and kind comments on the Pierre Rossier FAC. Ciao! Pinkville 03:22, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Architectural visualization

Hi Mcginnly, thanks for dropping me a line. Dictionary definition is not a criteria for speedy for deletion. But I haven't speedied the article, I prodded it. Prod allows just about any good faith argument you'd use in an AfD to be used and, if uncontested, the article is deleted after 5 days or so. But anyone can remove the tag for any reason, if they do the article is not deleted. That's why I thought I'd announce on the architecture project page, since it seemed like the best place to reach people with reason to keep the article. If anyone there thinks it should be kept that's good enough for me, I'm won't follow up with an AfD. --Siobhan Hansa 15:03, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll add it there too. --Siobhan Hansa 15:07, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hi

Hello, long time no see. --159.101.23.168 14:45, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] RE: St Nicholas Cathedral Of Cyprus

Of course my friend ,if your interested in cathedrals and churches and architecture in cyprus ,more and more coming , my camera and my info are ready for improving such article please keep me in touch we can always discuss thank you very much .

--Jhabib 23:54, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Joining

How to join the project Thanks

Jhabib 10:52, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re:thanks

You are very welcome. I noticed the arch project banner is missing categories and assessment features. Do you have plans to add them? -- Ganeshk (talk) 20:25, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Noticeboard

If you want to keep that noticeboard afloat, with an everyday supply of new announcements, we should post a standard message about this board to the talk page of each editor who creates articles about buildings and architects on a regular basis. The message may contain a mild advice to add the noticeboard to their watchlist. Best, Ghirla ^-трёп- 12:42, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Architecture of Ancient Sri Lanka

I found out that the article above has been chose for the WikiProject Architecture Improvement Drive, I have added the underconstruction tempolate on top of the article. However, the article does need images and more information. There are citations missing on it, unfortunately I do not know much about the Architecture of Ancient Sri Lanka. I looked for some references and sources on the internet but I could not find a sutiable and reliable source to back up the article. I also noyiced that not many people are improving the article, therefore can you ask the members of the project to help to improve the article.

P.S. Last month's article Islamic architecture could be now a candidate for a featured article status but I need the support of you and the members.

Thanks!!

Abdullah Geelah 09:46, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hey there

Architecture star

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See Architecture or Architecture Project for more information. A list of recipients is also at Architecture.

This award was introduced by the WikiProject Architecture on 14 November 2006.

• I think the template needs to be fixed ... --evrik ^(talk) 20:57, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

I copied it from scouting - what needs to be done? --Mcginnly | Natter 20:59, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] re:Your request on Wikiproject architecture

I left a reply to your request on the project page - do you have a photograph of the interior of the mosque's dome and vaults - it will be easier to say what type of vault it is then. Also, if you create any other architecture articles, you might consider adding them to Portal:Architecture/New article announcements. Cheers. --Mcginnly | Natter 12:58, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Mcginnly, unfortunately i don't have any other photos. I've taken it in my home town, whenever i go there i will take interior parts photos:) I like taking architectural photos and writing about them but sometimes it's difficult to find exact terms in English. I've written a few articles, in 1-2 months. Can i add them to new article announcements. Thanks again for your interest. --Ugur Basak 13:09, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Hi Mcginnly, i've found a few photos and also added the link to project's talk page. Cheers --Ugur Basak 13:21, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vault merger proposal

could you explain your thinking on this merger? do you really wish to obliterate the article Barrel vault? to indicate the importance of Barrel vault as a topic, there are over 60 incoming links to that article. Just by the measure of links alone, Barrel vault certainly should have its own article and is destined to have significant expansion. Anyone interested in medieval architecture should have a strong interest in preserving this article. there is no reason that you cant borrow from Barrel vault to expand vault if you wish. puzzled Anlace 18:54, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

• your compromise proposal is acceptable regarding barrel vault. i assume to be in good faith your doubling measurement is based upon the stub version of the article when you installed the merger tag? Anlace 21:46, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

• You might want to review Vault sub-types in architecture before deciding what to do. -- Jreferee 00:45, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] translation question

Out of my depth here. You should ask a native German speaker what it would mean in this context. - Jmabel | Talk 19:29, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] re: Palais Strousberg

Looks good, a few thoughts:

• In the lead - splendour, grandiosity, refined luxury, and opulence seem like peacock terms though they are not listed there.
• Maybe merge the sections "Use as the British Embassy" and "Fate of the Palais" or differentiate them further.
• You also only need to link an article once, when the name first appears in the text.

DVD+ R/W 00:00, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

• That lead sentence could be put in quotes, even if it was written in German(?), but agree with the large number of unqualified adjectives. Otherwise the article is destined for FA status, very interesting. P.S. Still traveling to London soon? —Dogears (talk • contribs) 03:33, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

I don't understand this reversion, specifically this sentence: "Some details of the exterior such as the Baroque balustrade and the rich decoration of the interior, were borrowed from many other architectural styles, single the palace out as an example of eclectic historicism." I think that either the number of commas is wrong, or a conjunction needs to be added. We have:

Some details of the exterior

such as the Baroque balustrade

and the rich decoration of the interior

[comma]

were borrowed from many other architectural styles

[comma]

single the palace out as an example of eclectic historicism.

Taking out some of the detail, this reads as:

Some details, were borrowed, single the palace out.

Surely this should be one of the following instead?

Some details were borrowed, and single the palace out.

Some details were borrowed, singling the palace out.

Some details were borrowed. They single the palace out.

—Serein 21:16, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for that, the page has undergone a load of changes today which I'll look at tomorrow - ":Some details were borrowed, and single the palace out." looks favourite to me. Cheers.--Mcginnly | Natter 21:35, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

You're welcome! Good luck making sense of the page history tomorrow. :) —Serein 21:48, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Germanic thoughts from Giano

We had an edit conflict a few minutes ago, I think I have incorporated your changes.

Well since you asked!!! - It is good - very good - but it is still very Germanic and a little laborious to read. Also many people know a lot less about architecture than you do and find the subject less thrilling - so will be less interested to start with, so it needs to be quicker and punchier to keep their attention span.

It needs be clearer. I suggest in the interior description using the room key numbers within the text so the reader can follow where he is going, then you can cut some of the text. The place is demolished people do not need a step by step account of how to find their way around.

It is also a little verbose, for example you don't need to mention the stables are for horses, they are not likely to be for the family hamsters are they? There is quite a bit like that. Images need to be swapped about I would put this one in the lead Image:Palais Strousberg - Facade.jpg and save Image:Berlin Palais Strousberg.jpg for when you are banging on about the portico and the windows etc. Regarding the relief of the portico, if you don't know the answer don't beg the question, just say classical figures and leave it there. Otherwise every idiot that edits will stick in their own theory about who they represent.

The lead needs to be a little longer followed by info on builder and architect. Then a complete architectural section describing exterior and its ethos I would like to see all the architecture and construction information together at the moment it seems to be scattered all over the article. Then interior using the plan far more than at present - that is why it is there after all. Then having completed all palais info. Give some social history in one section only i.e. happened to the Strassbourgs and "Use as the British Embassy" finally last of all "Fate of the Palais".

The following statements I would question if it were on FAC

• "and mark the palace out as an example of eclectic historicism." will anyone not highly educated understand what that means?

• "and bathrooms, which were unheard-of in the domestic architecture of Berlin" - Is this true?

• "Porticos in the 1860s were an unusual motif in Berlin" - were they?

• "partially grilled windows to the basement extended under the road level" - does this mean a semi-basement with windows in grated pits?

• "reception rooms on the ground floor " The plan does not show any reception rooms on the ground floor. The images and plans show the reception rooms were raised above the ground.

• "and so the face of the building could be kept close to the back of the footpath" - what does this mean?

• "In addition to the wine cellar, the boiler for the hot water heating was favourably located for both goods deliveries and the entrance to the servant's quarters" why is this favourable?

Well that's my opinion - no offence if you don't agree Giano 10:37, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

• I think also when refering to the architecture I would be tempted to mention Empire not the best page to link to, but the genre may be useful, and this one Greek Revival as the building is not Neoclassical in the strictest sense of the word, as you say in the article. Regards Giano 10:53, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] re: Vaults

Barrel vault looks way better to me than any of the others. Mostly because of the botched move at vault (architecture). I think the best course would be to improve the various articles along the lines of barrel vault, and avoid list making and renaming. DVD+ R/W 00:19, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Did You Know?

On 21 November 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Palais Strousberg, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--GeeJo ^(t)⁄_(c) • 06:33, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

On the front page already, Congratulations. :-) Giano 07:31, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Erm well as a DYK anyway...... cheers. --Mcginnly | Natter 12:36, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Heh, thanks. Excellent work. Biruitorul 09:38, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

It's more relaxing to just leave the page alone and sort it oout tomorrow! Giano 12:34, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

And there was me thinking my carefully crafted edit summary completely masked my irritation..........time to think again about that professional poker career. --Mcginnly | Natter 12:36, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

I hadn't realised that was "carefully crafetd" I find it best to leave people in no doubt whatsoever, it saves a lot agrivation laterGiano 12:42, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hmph!

[1] Well that's you put in your place! :-D.....Giano 12:24, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re User 193.63.62.188

You're welcome Mcginnly. -- Szvest Ω ^{Wiki Me Up ®} 14:14, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] IG Farben Building

(I answered your request on my talk page). I am planning to display this article on Portal:Germany as the December article. If you have a comment which image will look best in the Selected article box on the portal, please comment at Portal talk:Germany. Thank you, Kusma (討論) 14:04, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Constructivism

Hello, ta very much for the extra editing on the Constructivism page. Was thinking of expanding the individual architects' pages and adding some colour pictures from the Moscow State Architectural Museum- the seem to be OK with it as long as they're cited, but am wondering what the copyright issues are... Owenhatherley 18:10, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vault

Hi, Mcginnly - sorry to take so long getting back to you - busy holiday here. That's quite a dilemma. In theory, my answer would be that I would object to one source, but in practice, I know of review articles on Tourette syndrome that completely and thoroughly serve the topic, and from which I could write a comprehenseve referenced accurate article. So, in practice, it's possible that one source could do the trick. I guess one reservation in this case would be that the Britannica article is so old, and I'd want to be assured it's still comprehensive, and that it covers any contempary controversies or changes in thinking. Perhaps there are two things you could do: get the endorsement of a number of editors from Wikipedia:WikiProject Architecture before you approach FAC, and try to complement the article with some other sources - surely you can find something else to add from some other sources, or other editors may object ? Best, Sandy (Talk) 14:52, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vault (architecture)

I see you've put a lot of work into this article, but I think quite some amount of content could use transfer to the subarticles (especially the almost inexistent rib vault), who are that developed, if only to check that the entire this consistent with itself (see also WP:SUMMARY). Circeus 22:56, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

It's in it's infancy - the 1911 source all needs checking and I'd rather get the main article up to scratch first - you'll notice on the talk page I originally suggested merging most of the sub articles into the main article but the consensus was to maintain them. Please let me finish the article first before cutting and pasting into other articles - It's my contention that the main vault article will have sufficient depth to be considered for FAC - what others prefer to do with the content later regarding the sub articles is up to them - but it makes sense to have a good main article first - if it get unwieldy (and it's about the right length now IMHO) we'll fork it. Whay are your plans for Category:architecture? --Mcginnly | Natter 23:01, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

re:category:Architecture, it,s just one of those cats where nothing and everything gets dumped, so it's mostly moving many articles in their proper subcategories (e.g. Atrium (architecture) to category:Architectural elements and Architecture of the Teutonic Order[uh? Why was this allowed to even survive??] to category:Architectural history). Circeus 23:09, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Oh! sorry I thought you were talking about deleting the root category, that's fine by everyone I'm sure. I hadn't noticed the teutonic order article - I've left a jee-up message on the talk to get some content added --Mcginnly | Natter 23:24, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] British Embassy in Berlin

Hi McGinnly, thanks for your comments and clarifications on my talk page regarding your recent edits on British Embassy in Berlin. - Even after the German spelling reform Straße should be spelled with ß instead of ss, because Straße is actually pronounced with a long vowel a (see de:Straße). Although the spelling with a double-s is incorrect, you could easily find examples of the “strasse” spelling in German texts. People tend to think that the "ß" was abandoned altogether in the spelling reform, but that’s just sloppiness in my point of view. – In my opinion it should be a matter of respect for other languages and cultures, to try to preserve the "native" spelling as closely as possible. Cheers and take care, MikeZ 20:09, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] FYI - Ashgrovian is an AfD

Hi - I noticed that the article Ashgrovian is up for deletion, and after clicking around a bit, wonder if you'd be able to help suggest what should be done about it. It appears to have been created by an architecture student in Austrailia. I've made a couple suggestions in the article's AfD arena, but bet your words would carry more weight. Thanks for your consideration! Regards, --Keesiewonder 11:49, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Not sure about that, but I've made a few comments. --Mcginnly | Natter 13:40, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

• Excellent! Thanks for your efforts. I think between you and me and some others we can turn this AfD around! Keesiewonder 14:21, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Greek Revival architecture‎

I've just had a marvellous idea! Why don't you raise this to FA standard, it would compliment Palais Thingy really well, wouldn't it? Giano 19:42, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your German question

A native German speaker just weighed in on a translation question you had a couple of weeks ago. See User_talk:Jmabel#Translation_request. - Jmabel | Talk 16:52, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] re: Expressionist architecture

He DVD, I notice we've both revived editing the Expressionist architecture article, prior to it's impending GA review. I've archived the talk BTW, because most of it was used as a scratch sheet for translations etc. - hope that's ok. I'd like some discussion about the article though if you wouldn't mind, because there's still a few fundamental things that I think we disagreed on at the time and I'd like to us reach some sort of agreement on. I've started a thread at Talk:Expressionist architecture#Taking stock. Cheers --Mcginnly | Natter 16:51, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

• Mcginnly, I think you are asking about whether Gaudi made expressionist architecture, I see it as common knowledge, here are some quick examples of other peoples deductions:

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Shannon Ricketts, Leslie Maitland, Jacqueline Hucker. A Guide to Canadian Architectural Styles. Published 2003 Broadview Press. ISBN 1551115468

p. 211

"This style had its roots in the European Expressionist movement of the early twentieth century. At that time, architects such as Antonio Gaudi, Hans Poelzig, and Eric Mendelsohn were experimenting with the ability of new materials, especially concrete, to produce dramatic and often eccentric structures."

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Faia Wertheimer, Lester Wertheimer. Architectural History. Originally published: [S.l.] : Architectural License Seminars, c1985. Published 2004 Kaplan AEC Architecture ISBN 079319380X

p. 117

Casa Mila

"This fine example of Expressionist architecture, perhaps even late-blooming Art Nouveau..."

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Ernest E. Burden. Illustrated Dictionary of Architecture Published 2002 McGraw-Hill Professional ISBN 0071375295

p. 124

Expressionism

"A northern European style (1903-1925) that did not treat buildings only as purely functional structures, but as sculptural objects in their own right. Works typical of this style were by Antonio Gaudi in Spain, P.W. Jensen Klint in Denmark, and Eric Mendelsohn and Hans Poelzig in Germany."

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Sufficient? Now that the thread is there, I'll take a look - but I've been up late so probably won't answer 'till tomorrow. While I'm here, what is your opinion of this [2]? DVD+ R/W 17:43, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Portal:Architecture again

…Hallidie Building? I found a picture for it finally, and need to substantiate the claim about the first curtain wall.

I Just read an article that gives some credit to a proto curtain wall used for the Paris Exhibition of 1889 which opened at the same time as the Eiffel Tower. This pavilion was the culmination of a long line of buildings that started with The Crystal Palace and copied in New York, Vienna and Philadelphia. "The side walls of glass did not span between the arched girders, but stood outside them, being a precedent for the 20th-century curtain walling."

Do you think it would be helpful to enroll in the system of evaluation that has been used on the WP:NRHP? The existing architecture template could be modified to include this information. Refer to: Category:National Register of Historic Places articles by quality. The regional arch template can be updated with that new one that you found, but maybe only the one particular continent should be inserted in the pages, with a new link to a page with all the "architecture in..." infoboxes? —Dogears (talk • contribs) 06:40, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

P.S. What should we do about the featured pictures on the arch. portal? There's also a wealth of pictures fetured on Commons. I'll set up a google news alert to find items to add to architecture in the news [3] —Dogears 19:37, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] here's another about Gaudi

James M Richards, Nikolaus Pevsner, Dennis Sharp. The Anti-Rationalists and the Rationalists. Architectural Press. Published 2000. ISBN 0750648155

p.75 (Casa Vicens)"The Gaudi building contains the germ of all the later Expressionist developments..."

another about Gaudi. DVD+ R/W 01:58, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

I read it and have no idea where you are going with it. After the "archived discussion - instigated review and requests for comment" I wonder, are you filing a WP:RFC? DVD+ R/W 02:07, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Reporting abuse

Have a look here. If this IP builds up a significant history of vandalism, it may be reported, but it's too early right now. --Gray Porpoise_{Your wish is my command!} 00:29, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

If you want to contact someone personally, you might be able to find a school staff member that you can email: http://www.csus.com/page.cfm?p=1058 --Gray Porpoise_{Your wish is my command!} 00:35, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Many thanks. --Mcginnly | Natter 00:36, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Let's have a drink

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ganymead (talk • contribs) 03:43, 6 December 2006 (UTC).

By the way, I responded to your comment on my talk page. *Exeunt* Ganymead | Dialogue? 04:38, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your input is requested

Your input would be appreciated at this Request for Comments. Kelly Martin (talk) 17:15, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Expressionist architecture

If you don't get anyone to assist in reviewing this article by the 11th, feel free to ask me to do so. I am editing a couple of others right now, all I have time for. I know very little about the topic, other than I assume you have Gaudi in there somewhere, and study the literature of the era, so have heard of some of the architects. However, I do read well, and can give you in-depth feedback from the perspective of a general audience reading the article. Let me know, either way, on Monday. KP Botany 16:51, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Architecture template

Hey, the bulletin looks great. What are your ideas about the importance tag? In general, I found architect articles to be Top-importance, High for notable buildings, Med for any old building, and Low for architectural elements, etc. Comments? Refer also to User_talk:BetacommandBot#WP:ARCH (template bot discussion) —Dogears 06:29, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

• You may want to consider adding an importance=X tag when you edit the {{Architecture}} template on the talk pages so the ratings will appear if and when we change the template. If we don't change the template, the tag will be ignored. I'm also considering adding a new "T=class" to te template for all the Timeline lists ("XXXX in architecture") and the related categories, all of which already have the template placed on the talk page. Dogears 14:58, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Importance assessment added w/o much trouble. There are so many building and structure articles. Do you think articles like the Indian Institute of Technology Kharagpur (featured article) should be part of "{{Architecture}}"? Any thoughts/edits on the importance criteria recently added to WP:ARCHA would be appreciated. Instead of class=T, do you think all year in architecture timeline articles (lists with captions) and categories:year architecture should be class=NA?

P.S. Went to Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC and enjoyed meeting 30+ people and listening to their stories. "Uncle Ed" was going on about Wikipedia in 2000 and 2001 when the software was germinating and tasks were done manually. A fifteen-year old administrator and his driver (maybe four admins or more total), Renaissance music seminarian, lawyers, activists, students, entrepreneurs, photographers, newbies and a kind older woman who came in and got seated and left 5 minutes later. One guys wife sat across the room, apparently not happy about the time he spends on Wiki. Do you guys get some time off over the Holidays? London still a vivid memory… —Dogears 19:35, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your note on Islamic architecture

Hi Mcginnly. Thanks for your message regarding my comments about the Islamic architecture page. I must confess, that I am not formally involved in the field; however, I will try to put something together that cohesively articulates that perspective. Regards -- Aylahs ^(talk) 16:05, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

PS why did you take your name off the architecture wikiproject?--Mcginnly | Natter 16:06, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Ah, well I'm still a bit green to wikipedia and sometimes I get overly excited! I had actually begun to add my name to a few wikipedia projects, and on sober reflection decided to remove myself from all of them. I will continue to contribute, but I don't want to spread myself too thin. The next few weeks are going to be busy, but I will reconsider after the holidays. -- Aylahs ^(talk) 16:17, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the bulletin - I've moved it to the top of my talk page. -- Aylahs ^(talk) 16:40, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Aga Khan Award for Architecture article

Mcginnly, thanks for your assessment of the Aga Khan Award for Architecture article. It still needs work - in particular, the article needs to discuss the outlook of the award and its impact over the past (nearly) 30 years. Any thoughts that you may have on how to improve it would be appreciated. -- Aylahs ^(talk) 16:39, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 1959 Chapel

Thanks, it's a pretty amazing building and easy to take good photos of. Dina 18:45, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Architecture of the Teutonic Order

Hi. I saw the prod you put up. I sort of understand your reasonning but I'm tempted to remove the prod tag, if only because it seems there should be something interesting to say about the whole thing. Can't we write a few stub-lines and place an expansion tag instead? Cheers, Pascal.Tesson 04:27, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Germany

Great, thanks a lot for your help. About Mozart, I did not really choose to put him in there but I think the idea is that German culture is not entirely German-specific and when speaking about German culture pre-1871 is always tricky for that reason. I suppose Austrians might take offense! By the way, if you're feeling more ambitious, I noticed that there's no article like Architecture of Germany. I don't know enough about architecture to write it so I won't try but I'm a big fan of the work of the Architecture Project which constantly produces high quality articles (I guess being used to building things is a good skill to have on Wikipedia). Cheers, Pascal.Tesson 17:41, 11 December 2006 (UTC)