Talk:Mayagüez, Puerto Rico

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Hola Amigos, I just wanted to clarify the following: Baseball was not first played in Puerto Rico in the town of Mayaguez on Auggust 11, 1898.

1. The first gane of Baseball was played in the old velodrome of the Pda. 15 in Santurce, Puerto Rico on January 11, 1898. This fact was established in a sports report of the then newspaper "El Pais" which on January 12, 1898 reported the accounts of how the Boringuen Baseball Team beat the Almandares Baseball Team with a score of 3 to 0. Both teams were to meet again on January 30.

2. I've searched the official website of the City of Mayaguez and other sites and there is no mention of that event ever taking place. Besides it wouldn't seem logical for people to be playing baseball in the plaza, which is located in the middle of the town on August 11, 1898, the very sameday that the Americans are invading the town in the middle of the Spanish-American War. Marine 69-71 28 June 2005 18:08 (UTC)

• Tony, the reference I used was that of a local "Fiestas Patronales" yearbook. They got the reference as the first game obviously wrong, but a game was, indeed, played in the plaza that day, albeit an impromptu one. No big deal, then... (BTW, don't expect the official city website to say much... it is eons behind what it should be! :-( ) Demf 15:51, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Contents 1 Disambiguation needed wrt to SS Mayagüez 2 Indigenous names 3 Things to do 4 Mayaguez has a sister city 5 Recent changes 6 Area of Mayagüez?

[edit] Disambiguation needed wrt to SS Mayagüez

The redirects to this page from Mayagüez and Mayaguez need disambiguating, because Mayagüez (possibly Mayaguez) is the name of a vessel involved in a famous international incident between the United States and Cambodia.

--David Woolley 12:30, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

I've resolved all the redirects that used Mayagüez, but have discovered that Mayaguez (no umlaut) used to be a disambiguation page. When it was changed to a redirect, the edit summary promised a disambiguation link on this page, but it never seems to have happened, so I've done that now.

My feeling is that Mayagüez (with umlaut) should become a disambiguation page, with a slight difference from the original in that:

1. it should give one line of context for the meanings;
2. instead of directly linking Mayagüez incident, it should link SS Mayagüez, which is currently a redirect, but could become an article in the future.

I would also propose to reset the redirect on Mayaguez to go to the new disambiguation page, once I've resolved its current redirects.

The reason for using a page is that the current proper title for this page doesnt match the pattern one would expect for a primary page with a disambiguation link, which would have been Mayagüez (Puerto Rico).

-- David Woolley 13:09, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

What you say sounds good! The links and disambiguation look good! I don't know much about the SS Mayagüez, so I can't be of much help there. Although I don't know if there's that much more about the SS Mayagüez to add to to make a whole new article. I am trying to find the phonetic pronounciation but to no avail. If I find it i will post it. Good luck! --Stux 19:52, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

Now done --David Woolley 23:50, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Indigenous names

I just partially reverted a word from these three (anonymous) edits. I remember growing up being taught that Mayaguez was a variant of Yaguez (or Yaguex could be appropriate). However, better and more specific historical sources would be preferable. Unfortunately, as I understand it, most of the documents in our historical archive are not in digital format. Any way to corroborate what the correct names are would be great. --Stux 15:26, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Corraborating the exact correct names is impossible since the Taíno did not have a written language. However, we can verify the most commonly accepted written interpretation of a given cacique's name. I believe the name of the Mayagüez cacique was Yagüez. I will check with my references (Rouse's book) later today. Joelito (talk) 15:54, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

His actual name was Urayoán Demf 13:58, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Oops, I didn't mean to talk about the cacique. I meant to talk about the name of the region. Joelito (talk) 17:14, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

• Folks, you tend to forget that I (the "anonymous" party here, who simply forgot to log in... sorry) was quoting a book by Martín Gaudier, who in turn was quoting an older reference. I was surprised myself. He's referring to the river Yagüez, as we know it currently. He quotes the original name of the river "Maygüex" in his 1957 book, and save a better reference (which I promise to look up... I'm at UPR-Río Piedras as I type this), I strongly suggest the spelling be left as Gaudier quoted it. I'll fix it... but keep in touch; I don't claim to know better(!) BTW, Cayetano Coll y Toste might even quote it differently. Chances are that you'll find "Mayaguey" and "Mayagues" as alternate spellings... Demf 18:47, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

That is quite interesting (Mr. anonymous )... From what I had read in the paragraph I would have surmised that "Yagüex" translated simply to "clear water" and "Mayagüex" would mean "Land of Clear Water" -- that is assuming that the prefix "Ma-" meant "Land of". Or something like that. But I am no linguist or historian, and like you said no written record of their language really exists. --Stux 18:22, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Wasn't me! It was Joelito - Demf 13:39, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Oh I see... Demf, your interjections threw me off and I thought it was you saying all that, even though it was highlighted with a different text color. I have reorganized the comments if you don't mind in order to make them more understandable. Inlining comments usually confuses the reader (a.k.a. me in this case). --Stux 02:34, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Things to do

• Remove bullet lists, convert to prose
• Shorten famous mayaguezanos section
• Add more references
• Standarize dates, I suggest mm dd, year format Isn't there a WP guideline about this? You add mm dd and the engine flips them around... and there's probably a reason... Either way is fine with me... Demf 13:37, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
• Create sections on economy, geography, climate, etc...See Mumbai for possible sections.

If I think of anything else I will probably add it here. Joelito (talk) 21:51, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Might I add that there are a lot of Red Link tags in this page, some of which should probably be unlinked and the rest fixed if possible. --Stux 22:35, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Agree in all of them except the Famous Mayagüezanos section. See, I use as a reference the article for Flint, Michigan, for two reasons: one, because it is the only U.S. jurisdiction that lost more jobs than Mayagüez during the last decade (if I only had the reference handy...). Second, because a former friend of mine is from there (Jennifer Comrie, hola if you ever read this!). Has nothing to do with Michael Moore... Flint's article is as good as it gets, and their list of Flintonians (Flintstones?) is as long as ours. If theirs can be as big, so can ours(!)

Mayagüez has produced so much talent that meets criteria for relevancy as per the WP guidelines (as it relates to Puerto Rico) that it really amazes me how many are out there, and how little has been written so far about them. (Perhaps due to lack of authors and researchers?) The "redliners" will be fixed... eventually... Demf 13:35, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

If you wish to achieve FA status then you need to follow a city-related FA article. Flint, Michigan while a decent article is not even close to FA status. Remember that articles should be written in summary style and as it stands that section includes people who were not born or resided in Mayaguez. However, since you are the main contributor you have the liberty of adding/removing whatever information you wish, I am only advising. Joelito (talk) 14:26, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Hmm... Mumbai is a HUGE city... I am not convinced of the virtues of summary style when the subtopics are rather short. At the same time, you want to be as comprehensive as possible... I see your point in keeping the mayagüezanos list to the point, but when you're a researcher, those extra bits help, believe me. I've exhausted the references I've found and don't think that particular segment is going to grow much more. If I do find the time to split the main article in subarticles, maybe it will go on its own page. Excellent advice! Demf 17:22, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mayaguez has a sister city

I think its Cartagena de Indias, Colombia

If the mayor paid the dues, this must be listed somewhere. I'll check. 136.145.192.75 16:40, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Unless this link (and, conversely, this other link) is obsolete, Mayagüez is not listed as having a sister city. Perhaps not yet... Demf 16:45, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure they became sister cities last month so thats probably the reason why its not added yet...

[edit] Recent changes

Joel31, I am trying to use this format here and on the other 77 municipalities of Puerto Rico for consistency. So whenever a person is reading on any of the municipalities the article flows the same way. Also whenever someone wants to input any information, the information is entered in the rightful place.

Example if someone is adding to education they know where to go. if someone what to a book reference they know where to add it

You also removed information added to the article.

Wikipedia is asking for help in the Puerto Rico Portal

Please do something else... like adding the missing gif of flags and seals that are missing from the other municipalities. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 192.203.40.2 (talk • contribs).

Sorry if I sound rough but I really do not like your tone. There is no need to patronize me and tell me what to do and what needs to be done.

The format is poor, please don't try to standarize all municipalities with this format. It has too many sections and subsections. Anthems do not belong in article pages. You messed up the references. Wikipedia is not a repository of images so galleries are usually not a good idea. If you wish to make this changes to all municipalities please discuss them at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Puerto Rico so that everyone working on Puerto Rico related articles may comment.

Ouch, ouch, ouch... good intention, bad move... Demf 17:00, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Area of Mayagüez?

The article lists:

• Total 709.89 km²
• Land 201.07 km²
• Water 508.82 km²

These are probably figures of the Bureau of the Census, and to use them like this is nonsense, since most of the water is Territorial waters. In the article about Puerto Rico, the area of the territorial waters is also not included in the total area of 9,104 km², as it is statet that only 1.6 percent of the total is water (presumably rivers and lakes, but certainly no open sea areas). One has to be able to make up a table with land/water/total areas of the municipios, that adds up to the correct Puerto Rico totals. An additional column of territorial water areas would not hurt, but I don't deem it necessary.--Ratzer 21:16, 25 November 2006 (UTC)